Why the hate towards retake mass effect? All I see is hate.

[Abedeus]

That game you liked had a disappointing ending. A lot of narratives turn out that way.

Quit pitching a big hissy fit over the whole thing. It had a bad ending, get over it.

It's not about ending being bad. Stop being a closed-minded ignorant who read about the whole thing in one panel of Penny Arcade and thinks we are angry because bad things happen.

It's about lies from developers, inconsistencies, plotholes, breaking the lore and characters to accommodate a last-minute ending.

Lots of series have had sad endings. Persona 3 made me feel sad for few days after it ended, but in a good way.

Mass Effect 3 made me feel like a fucking sucker who got tricked into "16 different endings, your choices matter, there won't be ABC endings you just pick at the end!" and paid $60 for incomplete, rushed or underdeveloped product.

Because I don't think gamers need a higher sense of entitlement. When I saw the thread "What should we retake next?" show up I wanted to kill something. I'm not too happy about the ending, but god damn it didn't invalid the other 130 hours I spent on that Shepard over all three games, and that's not counting my other files. Also as mentioned "Retake" makes it sound as if it was ours. No, we didn't make it, it isn't ours. The cupcake thing? Pure childish. The only good came out of the donation, which apparently some idiots believed was toward changing the ending instead of charity. That says a lot.
Would an expanded ending be welcome? Yes, preferably along the lines of the indoctrination theory.
Do we need to give gamers the idea that they are allowed to change whatever they don't like? Hell. No.

I know, right, next thing you know, they'll be changing BOOKS!

What's that, Sherlock? You... died? And fans made Conan Doyle change the story? Oh, right, forgot.

Shut up.

 

[RaikuFA]

In my perspective, its because the vocal minority has a "You're with us or against us, no middle ground." mentality, which upsets some people.

 

[MetalMagpie]

Yes they could have thought of a better name for the movement, but why the hate?

Well, the name is pretty strange. It sounds as if the fans are claiming they owned the Mass Effect franchise and Bioware stole it from them. (If it's meant to be a joke, the fans are being awfully serious about it.)

But I think people are mostly just fed up with the sheer amount of ME3 venom plastered over gaming sites like this one. To those of us who don't play the games, this whole deal with the ending just doesn't seem important enough to warrant so much whining.

It's not that I don't understand. I felt like I'd been completely betrayed when I walked out of the cinema after watching X-men: Last Stand. I really enjoyed the first two films, but the third one was so terrible that it almost felt like it had been done on purpose just to spite me. So I ranted about it to a couple of friends (who mostly gave me the "I'm-not-really-listening" smile), then I moved on with my life.

Life is full of disappointments. But people who didn't share in those disappointments rarely want to hear about them.

 

[DeleteThisAcc]

i really wish a game that gave a giant fuck you to fanboys would come out already. Sick of everything i read gaming related being about Mass Effect.

That said, if BioWare does redo the ending to ME3, i hope they do it in the Neon Genesis Evangelion way. Story behind that is, people were really unhappy about the way neon Genesis Evangelion ended. To the point of sending death threats to it's creaters. So what did they do? They made 'End of Evangelion' Everything the fans asked for, but in the most fucked up anime people had seen. It was basicly a giant 'fuck you' to all the rabid fanboys apparently.

Oh yes That would be nice. I just want that they keep original ending and add new ending that you can choose in options or when starting game.

If they add new ending, and it's not a giant 'fuck you' I will be disappointed.

 

[Phlakes]

It's not charity. At least not the charity that deserves a significant amount of respect. It uses charity money as manipulation, to benefit their own personal agenda.

And don't get me wrong, charity money is always a good thing in itself, but Retake Mass Effect is manipulative and for the most part not with charitable intentions. There are always exceptions.

Also the name, but people have already said enough about that.

 

[Risingblade]

People will always hate what they don't understand.

 

[Chunga the Great]

That game you liked had a disappointing ending. A lot of narratives turn out that way.

Quit pitching a big hissy fit over the whole thing. It had a bad ending, get over it.

My opinion exactly. I mean come on, no ending is just so horribly awful that IT NEEDZ 2 B CHANG3D RITE NAOW

 

[applesandoranges]

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[Gennadios]

Hate probably stems from all the fans of other properties such as Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica that didn't have the power to demand a rewrite to the sh*t the producers did to to their own beloved universes.

Jealousy, plain and simple. ME3 fans have the mightiest neckbeards and the loudest outcries and the others can only look on in impotence.

 

[Shavon513]

I don't hate the retake movement, but I think it's ridiculously optimistic to get Bioware to change the endings. Also, people who sent Bioware cupcakes, who also reacted angrily when Bioware gave the cupcakes to charity, don't really make the cause look good.

 

[Chunga the Great]

That game you liked had a disappointing ending. A lot of narratives turn out that way.

Quit pitching a big hissy fit over the whole thing. It had a bad ending, get over it.

It's not about ending being bad. Stop being a closed-minded ignorant who read about the whole thing in one panel of Penny Arcade and thinks we are angry because bad things happen.

It's about lies from developers, inconsistencies, plotholes, breaking the lore and characters to accommodate a last-minute ending.

Lots of series have had sad endings. Persona 3 made me feel sad for few days after it ended, but in a good way.

Mass Effect 3 made me feel like a fucking sucker who got tricked into "16 different endings, your choices matter, there won't be ABC endings you just pick at the end!" and paid $60 for incomplete, rushed or underdeveloped product.

Because I don't think gamers need a higher sense of entitlement. When I saw the thread "What should we retake next?" show up I wanted to kill something. I'm not too happy about the ending, but god damn it didn't invalid the other 130 hours I spent on that Shepard over all three games, and that's not counting my other files. Also as mentioned "Retake" makes it sound as if it was ours. No, we didn't make it, it isn't ours. The cupcake thing? Pure childish. The only good came out of the donation, which apparently some idiots believed was toward changing the ending instead of charity. That says a lot.
Would an expanded ending be welcome? Yes, preferably along the lines of the indoctrination theory.
Do we need to give gamers the idea that they are allowed to change whatever they don't like? Hell. No.

I know, right, next thing you know, they'll be changing BOOKS!

What's that, Sherlock? You... died? And fans made Conan Doyle change the story? Oh, right, forgot.

Shut up.

Such a good argument right there. Insulting everyone who disagrees with you works wonders for your image. And how does a bad ending completely invalidate what I'm sure was an excellent experience playing the rest of the game?

 

[Chairman Miaow]

They didn't do themselves any favours with that name.

However, at this point I suspect a lot of the "hate" stems from people being just plain sick of hearing about the whole thing.

"Retake Mass Effect" is poking fun at "Retake Earth". How are people still missing that?! It's a joke!

In fairness, if you were new to this whole thing, the name does sound silly. A bit of research explains it but of course, that's too much for some people. I think part of the reason why it was picked is the Retake crowd thought it was a cool name that fans would get. They didn't realize how much outside scrutiny would be placed on them.

If people care enough to comment on the situation, you would think they would care enough to do a little research. Maybe not everybody, but at least the journalists/critics like Moviebob and Jim Sterling (although Jim actually did research and then changed his mind a bit.)

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Yes they could have thought of a better name for the movement, but why the hate? Authors and directors change the ending to there books or movies all the time after fans give them feedback. Movies are test screened all the time and reshot depending on the feedback and Charles Dickens changed his books after feedback from friends. Art changes all the time and it is never veiwed as comprising it.

Be that as it may, that doesn't give these "Retake Mass Effect" guys the right to demand that Bioware change the ending. Or indeed the audience of any work of art of media the right to demand the artist/author/creator/what-have-you change it to suit them. They can make suggestions and provide constructive criticism, but what the creator chooses to do with that feedback is up to them. If the creator chooses to completely disregard your feedback then there's nothing you can do about it and throwing a temper tantrum is certainly not going to convince them to want to listen to you.

 

[Asita]

Woah woah waoh woah woah woah.

Hold up.

This guy says that the indoctrination theory has been confirmed!?! (2:05)

WHEN!?!?!?!?!?!?!

It hasn't been. Official statements by Bioware tend to point the other way, actually. By all appearances what he's referring to are the Final Hours documents, which stated that a segment where the player would lose control of Shepherd due to indoctrination was scripted but had to be cut due to issues with the gameplay mechanics. In a sense this could be said to 'confirm' the foreshadowing IT points to as evidence, but the gist behind IT (that we were given a fake ending with the real one to-be-released later) has yet to recieve any form of validation.

 

[Danial]

Because being called a Biofag or being told that I'm sucking on "bioDong" (really?) due to you not being angry about an ending gets very, VERY boring after a while.

The ending was bad, the rest of the game was good. Not necessary to start a war and insult everyone who disagrees.

Still, the cupcake thing was thing was funny.

 

[JediMB]

It's not that I don't understand. I felt like I'd been completely betrayed when I walked out of the cinema after watching X-men: Last Stand. I really enjoyed the first two films, but the third one was so terrible that it almost felt like it had been done on purpose just to spite me. So I ranted about it to a couple of friends (who mostly gave me the "I'm-not-really-listening" smile), then I moved on with my life.

Now imagine that the first two X-Men games were much, much better... that each of them were 30-50 hour epics... that you WERE Wolverine (or whoever)... and at the end of the third movie a sudden plot twist reveals that Dark Phoenix is really a creature created to save the world by reshaping it entirely.

And you can only defeat her by using a piece of alien tech that will also kill you.

And once you "defeat" Dark Phoenix, the rest of the X-Men magically end up on the moon and the movie ends without any sort of epilogue.

 

[DRes82]

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Excellent video. Did I hear 'now confirmed indoctrination theory' in there somewhere?

 

[Asita]

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Excellent video. Did I hear 'now confirmed indoctrination theory' in there somewhere?

He did say that, but I strongly suspect he was misinformed and claimed it based off of the Final Hours documents that said that a segment of the game was planned but dropped, as I noted in post 60.

 

[MetalMagpie]

It's not that I don't understand. I felt like I'd been completely betrayed when I walked out of the cinema after watching X-men: Last Stand. I really enjoyed the first two films, but the third one was so terrible that it almost felt like it had been done on purpose just to spite me. So I ranted about it to a couple of friends (who mostly gave me the "I'm-not-really-listening" smile), then I moved on with my life.

Now imagine that the first two X-Men games were much, much better... that each of them were 30-50 hour epics... that you WERE Wolverine (or whoever)... and at the end of the third movie a sudden plot twist reveals that Dark Phoenix is really a creature created to save the world by reshaping it entirely.

And you can only defeat her by using a piece of alien tech that will also kill you.

And once you "defeat" Dark Phoenix, the rest of the X-Men magically end up on the moon and the movie ends without any sort of epilogue.

...then you'd be somewhere approaching my level of rage when - seven friggin books in - the Anita Blake Vampire Hunter series decided to completely destroy all integrity the protagonist ever had.

That one took slightly longer than X-men. (I still haven't been able to go back and reread the earlier books.) But, at the end of the day, it's important to just take a nice deep breath and carry on.

Because unless you're in company entirely consisting of disgruntled Anita Blake fans, then whining about it doesn't really earn you many friends. Trust me on that one.

(By the way, that alternative X-men 3 idea sounds pretty sweet compared with the actual film! Although I'm not sure what you mean by "you WERE Wolverine", except in a video game sense. I.e. If I had to press buttons to get Wolverine through the film.)

 

[Da Orky Man]

haters gonna hate

Only wannabe haters hate. Real haters do this:
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

Also known as YouTube.

Anyway, I hold no particular feeling other than apathy towards the Retake Mass Effect group. Overall, I support the idea of getting somewhat of a new ending, even if it's just an extra cutscene that explains what the hell happened and what's going to happen, preferably voiced by Brian Blessed.