Why The Witcher 2 Needed an Enhanced Edition

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
Thoric485 said:
It's a widely reviled title with multiple, serious flaws and can't be objectively given a perfect score.
Objectively?

Newsflash: art is subjective and a review is the personal opinion of the individual giving it. No score is any more or less valid than any other. Just because you feel one way doesn't mean you are right. Simple, really.
Sure, it's a subjective opinion. But I reserve the right to laugh at the subjective opinion of someone who praises, say, Twilight to the sky.
 

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ms_sunlight said:
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Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.
And yet, I really liked Dragon Age 2 and didn't enjoy Mass Effect 3 anywhere near as much (and I'm talking about the meat of the game, not the ending).

Enjoyment of games is highly subjective, people!
It's solely subjective; there is no unbiased way to judge personal enjoyment and absolutely no objective rules, if you will, to judge art. Even if a game barely functions, someone may love the hell out of it. I personally think Pokemon Crystal is one of the greatest games ever made and my boyfriend thinks I'm insane, lol.
 

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You didn't actually answer my question.
It seemed foolish to answer a rhetorical question. But, no - I don't think they are EA marketers, they probably like it.

I just don't see why a reviewer would recommend it to everyone with a perfect score, despite a lot of people not liking it.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Thoric485 said:
It's a widely reviled title with multiple, serious flaws and can't be objectively given a perfect score.
Objectively?

Newsflash: art is subjective and a review is the personal opinion of the individual giving it. No score is any more or less valid than any other. Just because you feel one way doesn't mean you are right. Simple, really.
Sure, it's a subjective opinion. But I reserve the right to laugh at the subjective opinion of someone who praises, say, Twilight to the sky.
Am I the only one left on Earth who hasn't seen Twilight? Everyone I meet hates it or loves it. I feel left behind, lol.
 

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Thoric485 said:
Susan Arendt said:
You didn't actually answer my question.
It seemed foolish to answer a rhetorical question. But, no - I don't think they are EA marketers, they probably like it.

I just don't see why a reviewer would recommend it to everyone with a perfect store, despite a lot of people not liking it.
Perhaps because the reviewer liked it? Like, genuinely liked it, not was paid to like it? Crazy idea, I know. Positively nutso. The very notion!
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
Kahunaburger said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Thoric485 said:
It's a widely reviled title with multiple, serious flaws and can't be objectively given a perfect score.
Objectively?

Newsflash: art is subjective and a review is the personal opinion of the individual giving it. No score is any more or less valid than any other. Just because you feel one way doesn't mean you are right. Simple, really.
Sure, it's a subjective opinion. But I reserve the right to laugh at the subjective opinion of someone who praises, say, Twilight to the sky.
Am I the only one left on Earth who hasn't seen Twilight? Everyone I meet hates it or loves it. I feel left behind, lol.
"I didn't want [Twilight] to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the writing has had with people?debating whether the series is creepy and sexist, and whether they have actually become stupider by reading it."

"That to me is part of what's exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it's a story that people can talk about after the fact."
 

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Thoric485 said:
Susan Arendt said:
You didn't actually answer my question.
It seemed foolish to answer a rhetorical question. But, no - I don't think they are EA marketers, they probably like it.

I just don't see why a reviewer would recommend it to everyone with a perfect store, despite a lot of people not liking it.
Because the reviewer liked it? Seriously, think about what you just said. Reviewer: "I really enjoyed this game! In fact, I thought it was great! But... a few people on this forum don't like it... Guess I better give it a 2 out of 5." Yeah... Not so much like how it works. You see, a critic reviews the game based on how they enjoyed the experience; a review is someone telling you what they thought of something. They don't read some forums and write a review from other peoples' perspectives--that's just silly.

Also,

What does the score represent? Luck, that it fell to the right reviewer for it? Should we put every review from the User Reviews section up on Metacritic so it can too influence developers' bonuses and payrolls?
try reading the review instead of looking for a score. Or does a game getting a certain number keep you up at night?
 

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Mcoffey said:
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Seriously, there appears to be a disconnect. If ME 3 is any indicator of what DAII was like, I can understand why people would have a problem with it.
Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.

Greg Tito said:
Sex and cursing, blood and filth, The Witcher 2's hallmarks work just as well on the console as they did on Steam - even if you can't pay a whore to do your bidding like you could in the 2011 version.
They took out the whores?! I liked the whores! =O
I always liked to roleplay that Geralt ended his day of witchery with a good old fashioned romp with the nearest doxy.

I'm sure it's still in the PC version, but I can't help but feel the poor console players are missing out on a vital aspect of the game. :p
To clarify, the women are still there in the whorehouse but, as far as I can tell, you can't pay them to do anything.
 

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As shitty as Dragon Age 2 was and as poorly one sided as Mr. Tito's review seemed...
Can we actually talk about these really good developers for the moment, and just forget Bioware?

Bluntly put; Fuck 'em.

Anyway.


I just wanted to comment on how awesome the lads and lassies down at CD Project RED are.

They really handled this right, as they always do. Figured it should just be mentioned at least once.
I take my hat off to the team.
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.
They're a much smaller company, and yet they can afford to give their loyal customers a free update.
Why can't anyone else?

I hope they continue to get more media attention based on their fantastic treatment of their customers and (obviously) top tier games. They've more then earned it.
 

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Canadish said:
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.
I wish just about every major developer/publisher could take notes from these guys. Everyone else seems hell bent on treating their customers like shitty thieves while simultaneously spending millions making mediocre games because of "mass market appeal".
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Thoric485 said:
The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.
And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?
I think anyone suggesting that Tito was bribed is a moron. I bought DA 2 recently and I enjoyed it. I think part of the problem comes from the way in which Tito's review failed to mention the flaws of DA 2 from recycled environments to ninja spawn enemies. Now I don't see this as meaning he was bought but rather he messed up. Happens to us all. However his comment on the DA 2 thread where he accuses his accusers of being biased against the game before it came out was very ill informed. Yes having people take pot shots at your integrity is intensely irritating, but that response didn't help.

Then with his Witcher 2 review, many people felt that he was being misleading an unfairly critical to the game.

Look I think most of this is very much based on the belief that as a professional critic you should be trying to be as objective as possible. I tend to think in DA 2's case Tito wasn't and he suffered for it. He shouldn't be hounder over it but unfortunately that's life.
 

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Greg Tito said:
There was a lagginess to the commands that has been mitigated by the transition to consoles...
I'm pretty sure it was a patch released very soon after the game came out, not some console magic...
 

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animehermit said:
Waaghpowa said:
Canadish said:
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.
I wish just about every major developer/publisher could take notes from these guys. Everyone else seems hell bent on treating their customers like shitty thieves while simultaneously spending millions making mediocre games because of "mass market appeal".
I don't know, for all the good CD Project Red does, the PC gamers still shit all over there game by pirating it a whole bunch.
Ironically, the pirates cracked and distributed [http://www.techspot.com/news/47767-witcher-2-developer-swears-off-drm-says-its-ineffective.html] the version with DRM more than they did the DRM-free version. If this doesn't speak volumes about the worthlessness of DRM and the low level of skill/thought required to bypass it, I don't know what does.
 

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animehermit said:
Waaghpowa said:
Canadish said:
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.
I wish just about every major developer/publisher could take notes from these guys. Everyone else seems hell bent on treating their customers like shitty thieves while simultaneously spending millions making mediocre games because of "mass market appeal".
I don't know, for all the good CD Project Red does, the PC gamers still shit all over there game by pirating it a whole bunch.
and as sad as that is the people of CD Project Red still look past the cancerous boil, the pirates and go on to reward the good people of the PC gaming community by treating them like valued consumers with good games, free patches, and all kinds of other goodies instead of punishing the good people with nasty DRM and forcing you to rebuy the same game for extra goodies like some people... As sad as it is people pirate these good peoples games it only goes on to show how much better at dealing with their customer base than other.. unnamed companies are.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
So, better or worse than Dragon Age 2?
I'm not saying it's about the graphics, but when you compare the two and see how each one looks, it's easier to see who put more effort into their game. Just look that this



And this


Not to mention that there is no absolute morality like in Bioware games where you're presented with right and wrong. You do what you think is best. Choices don't make you evil or good. You do things because you believe they are right and the game doesn't punish you by making you look like a psycho. Your choices actually change the world around you. And not as soon as you make a decision. Your choices have a long lasting effect. You choose what you think is more moral or what you think is the lesser evil. And based on those choices the game takes a different path after Chapter 1. You won't see all areas on your first playthrough. You make a choice and you have to live with the consequences. And every character has his/her own personality. You can't simply persuade people to do what you want based on some silly stat. There is some persuasion involved, but it's more like a Jedi mind trick used on weak willed. Characters you meat have their motivations, their judgements and their own prejudices. They think for themselves.

And just about everything else is superior to DA2. The combat, the music, the story, characters, atmosphere. There are some minor things like inventory system not being as good as some other games but it's nothing serious.