Why The Witcher 2 Needed an Enhanced Edition

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Susan Arendt said:
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The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.
And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?
I never met one person that genuinely liked the game, but ok, maybe it's my friends with their tastes. What infuriates me however, is that even people that liked the game would point out numerous flaws of it. Most fans would say some of the characters were cool (even I liked varric, and I think DA2 was the worst moneygrab BW ever pulled) but they complained about the graphics, combat system, endlessly spawning enemies and EVERYONE complained about reused maps.

You simply cannot give a 10/10 to a game with that many glaring flaws. I know EA didin't pay you, I know you probably had to give it a good score to have review copies, bonuses, invites and such, this is the reality ov reviewing nowadays. But giving DA2 10/10 was totally bending over to EA and it forever stained this sites credibility. And you know it.
Oh, I know it, do I? Gosh! Also, we don't do scores out of 10. Just a minor nitpick.

We gave it the score we did because we believed it was an excellent game. We never said it was perfect - we've never said any game was perfect.
Actually, you did. A perfect score kind of implies the game is perfect. Thats why its a perfect score.

I guess no one comes here for the reviews anyway...
Flawed thinking. If a 5 means perfection, we'd literally never use it, which would therefore make 4.5 the top score a game could actually get (or 4 at the time the DA2 review was written). At which point then 4.5 implies "the best a game can get", and so on. If you're never going to use the top of your scale, then your scale is inherently broken. Of course, that's part of the problem with scores to begin with.
I finally understand it man, I understand the conspiracy! EA controls everything, they control the escapist and they control me! I thought I liked DA2 and ME3(even the endings) but it turns out EA crept into my room while I slept and planted a chip in my brain that makes me agree with all the wrong ideas. DRM, on disc dlc and good scores for DA2 its all part of their plan, quick put on your tinfoil hat it's the only way to stop them!

LOL, sorry couldn't resist. All joking aside I enjoyed DA2, I've been a fan of this site for awhile now and I've never thought that anyone was paid off. In my mind a 5/5 or 10/10 just means a really good game, it doesn't mean a perfect game because there is no such thing. That is until there is some Game of Thrones/Assassins creed crossover type game where I can kill Joffrey over and over again... God I hate that poisonous little wretch. Rant over.
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Thoric485 said:
The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.
And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?
Don't I wish. It would pay for all the DLC in other games.

I don't know about 5/5 but it was an enjoyable game.

As for The Witcher 2, I am glad they did this. Action RPGs like this just feel natural on a console with a controller rather than a keyboard and mouse and this is a perfect example of how to do it.
 

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Heh, all this talk about review scores seems to indicate that the Escapist should've stuck to its guns back when they DIDN'T have review scores. All they seem to do is try to present one reporter's opinion on a subjective topic as an objective assessment, which inevitably leads to the arguments appearing in this thread.

I suppose if you're really trying to give everyone an idea whether they'll like the game, you could evaluate the game in terms of different areas like tactics, story, strategy, action, etc. The catch would be that it would take a rare individual to evaluate all those areas fairly (though I suppose you could have more than one reviewer). Furthermore, each of those categories contains different things that satisfy different people - Story for instance could be divided into internal consistency, plot thread resolution, player agency, and a whole bunch of other things that different people value differently - so a full review would have to keep track of a lot of areas. It would be interesting to see this in practice, though I'm not sure it would be viable as a general approach.
 

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Susan Arendt said:
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Oh, I know it, do I? Gosh! Also, we don't do scores out of 10. Just a minor nitpick.

We gave it the score we did because we believed it was an excellent game. We never said it was perfect - we've never said any game was perfect. We didn't feel pressured to say it was good because of review copies or invites or any such bullshit like that. We actually just genuinely liked it.

If you can't accept that because your friends all hated the game, there's really not much else to be said.
I'm sorry I did upset you, Susan, but I scpecifically stated that my friends have specific tastes and I focused on opinions of fans (or rest of the gaming press for that matter) trying to remain objective.

What I hold against the DA2 review is not a strong opinion of the reviewer, such things are to be encouraged, and I like how I basically know what reviewers like Greg or you (and I particularly enjoy your reviews for example) are going to say.

The problem of DA2 review is that it's not informative, out of respect for you I actually went back to read it once more. There's not a single mention of recycling areas, and by the end of act 1 you've seen one goddamn cave at least five times. That's just attrocious and how a reviewer could fail to mention it?

"In fact, like Uncharted 2 and Empire Strikes Back, Dragon Age II is the rare sequel that improves upon its already excellent predecessor. " is such a stretch it's almost funny. I kept reading for any proof of such a huge improvement but the first proof of it is that... diague wheel has been brought from ME series. Not only it is insignificant after drawing a comparison between ESB and DA2 but this wheel is famous for often giving you little information on what you are actually going to say. But what I'm really baffled by is that the reviewer openly states that you need to have "consistency" to recieve bonuses. What does it mean? That means that the game basically foces you to constantly pick "up up up" or "down down down" in dialogue (to get bonuses) killing all the roleplaying in a roleplaying game!

After that we learn that the combat has been simplified and tactical elements became optional and that apparently liking BG2esque tactical combat is having OCD nowadays. But to be honest this is not true, you could get DA2 combat in DA1 by... turning down difficulty level. And reviewer once again forgets to mention one of the bigger gripes fans had with the game - endless waves of monsters appearing all round you, often going *poof* out of thin air.

"Any complaints I may have about Dragon Age II are minor annoyances, easily ignored for the leaps made in other areas" - again, where are those leaps that this game with one year of development time made? All I see is recycling content and cutting corners (but maybe it's just me)

"Not only does Dragon Age II play better, it looks absolutely gorgeous." - it doesn't, it simply does not look better. It looks the same at best, and it looks crap at worst. It's the same engine with one year development time.

And finally:
"Bottom Line: A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be."

I'm glad that ultimately it's gamers that proved this review to be false. After the first week, sales generated by marketing hype and reviews like yours hit the bottom. DA sales were rising throughout months and led to bigger sales than DA2. I think that this fact coupled with the news that EA just axed the expansion is the best testament to the accuracy of your review.

You have to understand, people are not mad about you for having a positive opinion an a game. It's about letting this opinion completely blind you, devoiding your review from any true substance and critique. At the end of the day, what differs a true review from a marketing ad is not who writes the cheque, but rather objective and proffesional analysis of a game that gamers expect from a critic. And in that respect, DA2 article was a failure that indeed damaged your reputation severely.
 

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Wait, that was the official review of DA2 on The Escapist? WOW! I'm sorry, but there's no justification for that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some opinions are just wrong, no matter how hard you try to justify them. Dragon Age 2 was mediocre at best.
 

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While I never played much of either Witcher game, didn't the first game get a similar thing which 'fixed' everything and added more stuff?

Part of me wants to get a tad snarky about this (I won't), but I never got into the Witcher games. I had 'Yahtzee Syndrome' for the first, and I never cared for the second game...
 

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The Enhanced Edition was neccesary because I think they didn't want to postpone the release just to add the things that may have forgotten(the quests we receive in EE that further explain how things developed).

I finished the Enhanced version yesterday on Iorveth's path.I'm really glad that they listened to the feedback of the fans and made an outro and closure cutscenes.Those scenes pretty much showed what your decisions led too in the final act and ends perfectly with a small cliffhanger,without letting us hanging.

I'm now super hyped for Witcher 3.
 

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cieply said:
But what I'm really baffled by is that the reviewer openly states that you need to have "consistency" to recieve bonuses. What does it mean? That means that the game basically foces you to constantly pick "up up up" or "down down down" in dialogue (to get bonuses) killing all the roleplaying in a roleplaying game!
No. Consistency means you need to be consistent about your opinions, for example you must support templars or mages, not switch between both.
 

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It's funny how much people rage about DA2. Yes, it's not as good as the first, and it may not deserve a perfect score, but it's not the worst RPG ever. It's at least enjoyable.
Wasn't enjoyable for me. I would rate it as one of the worst rpg's I've ever played. Probably bottom 2 or 3.

As far as W2, yeah it's amazing, EE is nice though it doesn't add *that* much content. Don't expect a new game or anything.
 

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VoidWanderer said:
While I never played much of either Witcher game, didn't the first game get a similar thing which 'fixed' everything and added more stuff?
No, the first game needed it's Enhanced Edition as it was borderline unplayable for many because of a raft of bugs and performance issues, so it wasn't 'fixed' it was fixed. CD Projekt/CDP Red was faced with so many problems they decided it was easier to rebuild the engine rather than try and patch everything over. Releasing a completely rebuilt game, and releasing it for free to owners of the previous version, was unheard of at the time and is still rare as rocking horse shit. Of course, CD Projekt Red can get away with that because of their relationship with their publisher CD Projekt.
 

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DarkhoIlow said:
The Enhanced Edition was neccesary because I think they didn't want to postpone the release just to add the things that may have forgotten(the quests we receive in EE that further explain how things developed).
Nah, if they'd 'forgotten' that stuff they'd have released it as soon as it was done. It's far more likely it's stuff they thought of while putting the 360 version together and decided, being the awesome people they are, that it'd be nice if they made that extra content available for the PC version.

Basically, what they've done is sidestep a lot of pissing and moaning that crops up when a game is ported to a new platform and someone decides to 'add incentive' for people to buy the new version by adding in new stuff or including DLC for free. This is because CD Projekt aren't greedy, chiselling fuckheads... or if they are they hide it better than other companies in the industry. It's probably all that Socialism they grew up with. So instead of having to deal with a bunch of whinging fucks CD Projekt have 2 groups of happy customers - the new 360 customers and the old PC customers who stopped giving a fuck about the 360 version when they got told 'Hey, new stuff for free!' for them would come the same day as the 360 launch.
 

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I just finished playing The Witcher 2: Enhanced Edition and I liked the ending after the epilogue and how Dandelion talks about the players choices. I also liked the cinematic after the credits. I can't wait for The Witcher 3 now.

I also liked the newer quests in Act III as well. I thought there was supposed to be a two or three hour long quest line besides the main one in Act III. Unless they meant two or three hours of added quests.
 

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The Witcher 2 was my game of the year for 2011 and my MM bracket had CD Projekt Red as the winners because I have all the respect in the world for not only the way they approach customer service and post release game support, but also their attitude towards game design and story telling.
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Thoric485 said:
The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.
And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?
I loved DA2 and have failed to receive my cheque. Do you happen to know who I would contact about that?
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Oh, I know it, do I? Gosh!
Well, the statement is true to an extent. The Escapist isn't as biased as Fox News, but there is a very obvious inclination to wink away EAs various transgressions and paint fans angry over being treated badly as whiny, 'entitled' assholes.

Also, we don't do scores out of 10. Just a minor nitpick.
A completely trivial nitpick. Are you going to tell metacritic to change that 100 to a 5 because you don't score out of 100? Doubtful.


We never said it was perfect - we've never said any game was perfect.
The review did omit some very, very serious objective flaws in the game, however. Bugs, nonsensical quests (you find a quest item and magically know to give it to some stranger), and reused environments to name the most obvious and egregious.

I don't mind the 100% score so much as the fact that the game's shortfalls weren't even mentioned in passing so they could be handwaved away.

I'd give New Vegas a 10/10, but a review that doesn't mention the amount of bugs that game has (or had at release, at least) is just disingenuous.
 

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StriderShinryu said:
I loved DA2 and have failed to receive my cheque. Do you happen to know who I would contact about that?
Start a big gaming website that gets its money from advertising EA games and you'll get your check.

Unless you give one of their games a bad review.