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What is it with right wingers assuming that everyone who doesn't agree with them must slavishly watch CNN?
I'm not a right-winger (I'm actively telling you not to vote for republicans but I'm a right-winger? Also, I've literally never voted for a republican in my life unless I did on some republican that ran unopposed.), you can fill in CNN for any liberal news source like you can fill in FOX for any conservative news source. They all employ the same tactics like disinformation by omission. That's why you have to read stories from both sides to swift through the actual facts because both sides focus on the facts that align with the agenda and toss out the rest.
 
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What is it with right wingers assuming that everyone who doesn't agree with them must slavishly watch CNN?
I watch way more Fox than CNN. My country has a bunch of news stations run by Murdoch.

But what would that matter in reality

Edit: If the right has seen the liberal v lefty v tanky fight going on rn over Russia and realised that maybe they are wildly different from each other, I don't know what will
 

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I watch way more Fox than CNN. My country has a bunch of news stations run by Murdoch.
I think I read somewhere the argument that Fox Australia is creating news for US audiences rather than Australian. Fox Australia reports all the crazy shit as news that US Fox won't because US Fox's news division has people with standards unwilling to openly lick the gutter, and racks up the internet views from the other side of the Pacific.
 

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I think I read somewhere the argument that Fox Australia is creating news for US audiences rather than Australian. Fox Australia reports all the crazy shit as news that US Fox won't because US Fox's news division has people with standards unwilling to openly lick the gutter, and racks up the internet views from the other side of the Pacific.
Kinda sorta mostly yes. It's not exactly the news per se but the open sewer of rightwing shitpipes that constitutes their 'analysis and opinion' shows. Very White, very Boomer, typical Murdochracy.
 

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Absolutely yes, yes it does. You are very obviously treating gender rigidly, as you are treating it as a biological concept that can't be changed (at least not deliberately), so much so that you'd prefer medical treatments and all of society to treat gender as an anchored point that must be built around. It may not be a binary view, but it's rigid in the same way that racial essentialism is rigid.
That is not implied in what I said. Firstly, A characteristic does not necessarily have to be a "biological concept" to be either fully or mostly impervious to efforts to change it; Look at sexuality. Secondly, gender is tied up in identity and sense of self. We're talking about people who have no wish to change their sense of self-identity, and such a thing cannot be forced from outside.

And then the very concept of transitioning adopts the rigid sex binary you think you're avoiding. The world has tall women and short men, hairy women and smooth men, low-pitched female voices and high pitched male voices, long haired men and short haired women, flat chested muscular women and flabby men... with the exception of genitals, the outside presentation of sex characteristics is tremendously varied and contains a huge amount of overlap, yet transitioning/presenting/passing all invariably involve pushing the individual toward rigid sexual stereotypes. A trans man goes with short hair and a deeper voice. A trans woman is more likely to shave legs and wear a bra. What are those things if not adherence to the strict sexual binaries you don't think you believe in?
This is just completely untrue. To equate hormonal/surgical transitions to "adopting sexual stereotypes" is to show a complete lack of understanding of both the process and the thoughts behind it.

Firstly, I don't know what you think is "rigid" about being able to change something of your own will. Most people would acknowledge that as the opposite of rigidity.

Secondly, a "deep voice" and shaved legs etc are what's called "presenting". A gender-nonconforming person may present a certain way by adopting characteristics associated with a certain gender, such as those. But those are not what we're talking about. We're talking about physiological changes: hormonal, morphological (top surgery), sexual (bottom surgery). Those are not "stereotypes"; they're physical sexual characteristics.

People can change either: they can change how they "present", and/or they can change their physical sexual characteristics. The former are not innately connected to a biological sex, or even to a gender, they're just societally associated with a gender. The latter are physically associated with sexual morphology. They can still be changed, with greater effort and some outside help.

I suppose you could say it's "binary" to say that breasts, estrogen, and a vagina are associated with the female sex, but that much is true. Those who oppose the "gender binary" argue that one doesn't need to have those to identify as a woman, and that people may change them if they wish. Both of which are also true, and are not mutually exclusive with the first statement.
 

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Firstly, I don't know what you think is "rigid" about being able to change something of your own will. Most people would acknowledge that as the opposite of rigidity.
Would you not refer to the mindset behind conversion therapy as rigid?
 

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Would you not refer to the mindset behind conversion therapy as rigid?
Not in the sense that practitioners believe sexuality is rigid, no. They don't.

It's "rigid" in the sense that they are applying a rigid notion of morality to it: heterosexuality good, homosexuality bad. People who believe in GRS are applying no such moral notion. You do what's right for you.
 

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Fence sitters are just right wingers with commitment issues.
Disagree some of them are legitimately stupid. I remember there was one person who argued that he couldn't pick between Hillary Clinton 2016, and Trump 2016. And the media made him into a celebrity.

He was like middle age, and his whole shtick was he couldn't tell the difference between Trump, and Hillary. He ended up likely voting for Trump.



Granted I was pretty dumb back then, and I voted for Hillary based on the fact that Trump ran a scam college, and I assumed he would raise my student loan interest payments, and make student loans worst when I should have made Climate change the reason I voted for Clinton, but this guy couldn't even bother googling the answer to his question when both candidates had it on their website.

#FuckKenBone
 

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Disagree some of them are legitimately stupid. I remember there was one person who argued that he couldn't pick between Hillary Clinton 2016, and Trump 2016. And the media made him into a celebrity.

He was like middle age, and his whole shtick was he couldn't tell the difference between Trump, and Hillary. He ended up likely voting for Trump.



Granted I was pretty dumb back then, and I voted for Hillary based on the fact that Trump ran a scam college, and I assumed he would raise my student loan interest payments, and make student loans worst when I should have made Climate change the reason I voted for Clinton, but this guy couldn't even bother googling the answer to his question when both candidates had it on their website.

#FuckKenBone
I don't know if Clinton would have done much about climate change anyway