Why You Should Have Your Eye On Florida

[thebobmaster]

In case you were wondering if anyone was going to copy Florida, here's your answer.

Gov. Kay Ivey signs bills targeting transgender youth in Alabama

Civil rights groups have promised a lawsuit over a bill that bans puberty blockers and hormones for transgender youth.

www.montgomeryadvertiser.com

It's not mentioned in the blurb, but another bill the governor signed is basically "Don't Say Gay", but up to the fifth grade.

 

[tstorm823]

If you aren't allowed to involve sex and gender in school are you not allowed to separate boys and girls when it comes to locker rooms and showers for PE?

It's sexual orientation or gender identity. Sex is neither of those.

 

[Buyetyen]

It's sexual orientation or gender identity. Sex is neither of those.

Hetero is a sexual orientation. Cis male or female are genders. Sorry dude, but we can't talk about such sensitive topics around developing young minds. The Republicans said so.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

If you aren't allowed to involve sex and gender in school are you not allowed to separate boys and girls when it comes to locker rooms and showers for PE?

Depends, are you trying to keep gay people out?

 

[ObsidianJones]

I'm going to strongly say that I completely agree with this reading of the law...

It's just got nothing to do with what DeSantis is doing. You're assuming that the crackdown will follow laws. That's a really bad assumption

Oh, I know DeSantis isn't actually doing that.

I'm proposing that Teachers, Parents, and the others who don't have their heads up their butts do that.

Teachers like the person that GX posted. Act to the letter of the law until DeSantis and the other bigots are forced to say the truth. That this wasn't about not grooming kids or giving parents rights. It was about keeping the LGBTQ world separate while promoting the normal 'healthy' heterosexual lifestyle.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Fucking DeSantis man


Had to one up the Don't Ask Don't Tell for Schools with a blisteringly anti-1A "trans kids don't get to exist in any form" directive

But hey, they have a cut out so doctors can still carve up intersex infants based on guess work. Better hope they get it right because fixing it later would be banned

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Celebrating being able to gerrymander a 51%R - 49%D state to have 3.5 times as many republican representatives than democrat ones, eliminating 4 democratic areas

 

[Buyetyen]

There's some cold comfort in the knowledge that Florida is living on borrowed time thanks to the Republican stance on climate change.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

When you believe "girl" isn't a gender identity and your definition was exclusively referring to internal sex organs that are non-obvious until *at least* puberty, yeah?

I recall in some really early grade, the teacher would have the girls go to the bathroom together and the boys together. Guess what? No issues whatsoever. I don't recall a teacher needing to check genitals to figure it out, and the kids should know they are a boy or girl as well

Can't speak for the states. By in my state, actual intercouse sex educucation isnt usually taught in schools until age 12 (I've heard a year earlier). And it's just the mechanics, no 'safe sex' stuff or relationships until later. If you, as a teacher, talking about sex before then it will lead a suspension and possibly a firing. These sort of things are highly controlled by the principal and department. You talking about sex outside 3 or 4 sessions designated by the principal is inappropriate

I would love for DeSantis to come out and detail how sex education is dealt with different in Florida....

But that's not what DeSantis is talking about when he disucsses this bill. He specifically targeting talking about homosexuals or transgender to children grade 3 and under and claiming that teachers are grooming kids. (And I think it was Tulsi Gabbard who claimed talking about RACE was grooming kids.) It's not about sex education because otherwise you would be talking about heterosexuals as well.

And also I feel like we need to get the dictionary out and discuss the word grooming. Because there are some wild ideas about what that means to people

If you have seen the outcry to what the teachers have been doing in Florida since the bill was introduced, you'd also know that the parents wanting the bill just assumed this was targeting only homosexuals and transgender... but the teachers just applied what the bill said fairly to everyone. So those parents are back on the outcry train

So, no. This bill was never about sex or sex education (as in intercourse). With the proviso that I think DeSantis is just throwing a bunch of things together and calling it sex education

The bill has been written in such a way that just about anything can fall under its terms. But.... that was the whole point

So I CAN tell you the restrictions on sex education.... in my state. I will also note that this does not necessarily cover private school but they are all religious so I can't imagine them doing it earlier. But I don't have much data on that

Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

What about this is vague? I don't know why you'd teach/instruct hetero or homo or sexual orientation or gender identity at those grade levels to begin with. It's not like it can't come up or be mentioned in some manner like a teacher talking about their spouse or Timmy having 2 dads or something like that. Why do we have to discuss the word grooming? Who cares why this law was written, if it was over grooming or not. It's like the laws banning vaccine mandates before there were any mandates, it was just putting it into law just in case.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

So DeSantis's rush to punish Disney for not sufficiently hating "the gays" could put Florida on the hook for one billion dollars in municipal debt.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Limited government? Fiscal responsibility? No, Republicans are the party of "I'll burn my own goddamn house down just to show you how much I hate you".

 

[Trunkage]

I recall in some really early grade, the teacher would have the girls go to the bathroom together and the boys together. Guess what? No issues whatsoever. I don't recall a teacher needing to check genitals to figure it out, and the kids should know they are a boy or girl as well



Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

What about this is vague? I don't know why you'd teach/instruct hetero or homo or sexual orientation or gender identity at those grade levels to begin with. It's not like it can't come up or be mentioned in some manner like a teacher talking about their spouse or Timmy having 2 dads or something like that. Why do we have to discuss the word grooming? Who cares why this law was written, if it was over grooming or not. It's like the laws banning vaccine mandates before there were any mandates, it was just putting it into law just in case.

The.... law you're talking was already there. This DeSantis law does nothing to help. It was not needed and reinforces nothing

DeSantis banned a math book about two cartoon characters helping another over a wobbly bridge. Because, in Florida, you can't teach social and emotional well-being... like helping others. That what this new law is all about

Edit: I don't know what you think those words in the law mean, but DeSantis has a different interpretation than you or I would

So, with this words you pointed out, if I as a teacher pointed out that someone has two dads is that illegal? What if I pointed out if someone had a mum and dad?

 

[Trunkage]

So DeSantis's rush to punish Disney for not sufficiently hating "the gays" could put Florida on the hook for one billion dollars in municipal debt.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Limited government? Fiscal responsibility? No, Republicans are the party of "I'll burn my own goddamn house down just to show you how much I hate you".

Apparently, Disney got a self governing status somehow. So I'm fine if DeSantis removes that

 

[Trunkage]

It's sexual orientation or gender identity. Sex is neither of those.

Why do we separate toilets, sports etc based on sex?

 

[tstorm823]

Why do we separate toilets, sports etc based on sex?

To borrow the concept of Chesterton's fence, if you cannot explain yourself why something is the way it is, you have no grounds to suggest it should be changed.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I recall in some really early grade, the teacher would have the girls go to the bathroom together and the boys together. Guess what? No issues whatsoever. I don't recall a teacher needing to check genitals to figure it out, and the kids should know they are a boy or girl as well

Yeah but these days you aren't allowed to take the kid's word on it, you have to sex them just in case Bobby has an innie and Susie has an outie. Your "simpler time" sucked for a lot of people

Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

What about this is vague? I don't know why you'd teach/instruct hetero or homo or sexual orientation or gender identity at those grade levels to begin with. It's not like it can't come up or be mentioned in some manner like a teacher talking about their spouse or Timmy having 2 dads or something like that. Why do we have to discuss the word grooming? Who cares why this law was written, if it was over grooming or not. It's like the laws banning vaccine mandates before there were any mandates, it was just putting it into law just in case.

We have to discuss the word grooming because moronic conservatives think it's classroom instruction and grooming if a gay teacher mentions their spouse and that, instead of answering a kid's question, should refer them to their parents for no particular reason. Like straight up "Gary's not afraid to mention he's gay if kids ask, therefore he clearly wants to buttfuck his students. Here's his school district so you can try and fire him"

They straight up *cannot* talk about their spouse or Timmy having two dads. That shit is explicitly used as an example of the only acceptable response being "ask your parents". It like conservatives want the state to homeschool their kids

 

[Chimpzy]

Apparently, Disney got a self governing status somehow. So I'm fine if DeSantis removes that

The fun part of that is that it's special district status meant Disney also paid for a bunch of services like fire, medical, sewage, water and roads. With the special arrangement disolved tho, footing the bill for all those services instead would fall to the counties Disney World is in, so local residents would either have to live with higher taxes to maintain the same standards, or all the aforementioned stuff will become as shitty as the rest of Florida. A huge victory.

Fyi, not actually in favor of Disney here, my stance is as follows:

 

[Cheetodust]

The fun part of that is that it's special district status meant Disney also paid for a bunch of services like fire, medical, sewage, water and roads. With the special arrangement absolved tho, footing the bill for all those services instead would fall to the counties Disney World is in, so local residents would either have to live with higher taxes to maintain the same standards, or all the aforementioned stuff will become as shitty as the rest of Florida. A huge victory.

Fyi, not actually in favor of Disney here, my stance is as follows:

I'm gonna sound like a wild doomsday prepper but once I finish college my plan is to move back out to the countryside where my family is originally from. I can get a house with some land for about 1/3 of the cheapest housing in the city.

Watching late stage capitalism absolutely fucking devour itself is a real Tonic for the soul when I have an exit strategy.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

The fun part of that is that it's special district status meant Disney also paid for a bunch of services like fire, medical, sewage, water and roads. With the special arrangement disolved tho, footing the bill for all those services instead would fall to the counties Disney World is in, so local residents would either have to live with higher taxes to maintain the same standards, or all the aforementioned stuff will become as shitty as the rest of Florida. A huge victory.

Fyi, not actually in favor of Disney here, my stance is as follows:

Yeah, I'm all for kicking the shit out of Disney, but you gotta be careful while dismantling huge industrial sectors to prevent collateral damage.

It's like they can only do good things the stupidest way possible.

I'm gonna sound like a wild doomsday prepper but once I finish college my plan is to move back out to the countryside where my family is originally from. I can get a house with some land for about 1/3 of the cheapest housing in the city.

Watching late stage capitalism absolutely fucking devour itself is a real Tonic for the soul when I have an exit strategy.

Just make sure you're close to your own water source. Dumbass legal fights are already starting over that (while capitalism quietly let's Nestlé do whatever it wants)

 

[Buyetyen]

https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-disney-2657200400/

DeSantis has signed into law the bill dissolving Disney's special status as an act of revenge for not publicly supporting the "Don't Say Gay" law.

I'm not going to come to Disney's defense on this one because fuck corporations and it's not like this will have that big an impact on their bottom line in the long-term anyway, but this will increase the tax burden on families in the area by about $2200 per household. Republican voters may be less than happy about that.

 

[Trunkage]

To borrow the concept of Chesterton's fence, if you cannot explain yourself why something is the way it is, you have no grounds to suggest it should be changed.

Yeah, I know

That's why I'm asking you.

You keep flip-flopping between definition of gender and sex, picking and choosing when one is important and one isnt.

The last few of your quote, you are advocating for unisex bathrooms. But I think you just f'ed up in your flip-flops