Why you shouldn't hate XB1:

[Xannieros]

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital,

With this many publishers? And physical copies still bought more than digital? I doubt that was the real plan. Considering they backpedaled so fast, if they had plans for that... I don't think they would have given up so easy.

share them with your friends.

I believe it was you could only share one time. Not really that great. And physical copies (NOT XB1's) you could let people borrow as much as you wanted. That seems like a bad deal.

-Most ppl see the Kinect 2 as a selling point, since multimedia features are cool for ppl who do things outside of game, and I can't be the only one who wants to see motion controlled hardcore games, which the K2 is capable of delivering. It can even read your emotions and change gameplay according to that...

The thing about Kinect 2 is... People don't want it to be mandatory. They do not want to have it boxed with the XB1. They do not want to have to have it plugged in or the XB1 won't work. (Even if it can be turned off.)

-MS has invested in cloud computing, which may not be a HUGE thing at the present moment, though it was important enough for Titanfall to be a Microsoft exclusive, but in years to come it will pay off and help future proof the console. Yes Sony also has some form of cloud storage but nothing close to the scale of Windows Azure.

So far "Cloud Computing" is a buzzword. We have not seen it in action. All sorts of problems can become of it.


Why I hate XB1? They failed to inform people about their console. They were vague. I still do not know a lot about it or their policies.
Kinect being forced on me. I do not want to use it. I do not have a use for it.
The sheer nerve of MS region locking, adding "Online DRM". Trying to pry ownership of games. (Borrow/Sell/Ect.)
It's an unnecessary media box.

You fail to convince me otherwise.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Look, you like MS' latest turd so good for you.

However this is the internet, you will always find people that hate what you like. Threads like this only:

1) Make people think you are a MS shill.

2) Generate even more hate.

3) Make people think you are a fanboy (which is arguably worse than problem 1)

4) Ruin your online credibility.

5) Fail to sway any few undecided buyers, in fact it could prove to have the opposite effect.

6) Cause people to become apathetic to the console.

Between the previous thread, the 'facts' you've appeared to pull out of your arse, and your assertions that the 'sharing' would have been as simple as you've stated compared to Sonys version.

You know you've failed when your competitors advertisements and main selling points are 'we are not going to do what those guys are doing'

So in short:

 

[loc978]

I don't hate the Xbone. As a piece of hardware, it may have a lot of corners cut in design and production, quite a few draconian DRM policies implemented in it (some of which are just standard for a console, but really shouldn't be now that a console is just a proprietary PC with limited input and even more limited firmware) and a number of outright lies told about it in marketing... but at least it's got a good base architecture to work from. There's potential in that (less so than in competing products, but it's there).

What I do hate is Microsoft. In about 1999 their company policies started going from simply run-of-the mill greedy and cutthroat (I still feel sorry for those code monkeys at Xerox who made the prototype that became Windows) to outright monopolistic and anti-consumer... and they've only gone further in that direction for the past 13 years. I seriously hope they break apart and get eaten by companies with a bit less evil in their corporate DNA... and that's from a guy who lives within driving distance of their headquarters. I know quite a few of their employees (good people in a bad situation, usually. They deserve to work for better companies).

 

[KeyMaster45]

OP, you've already made this thread before...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.820124-WTH-at-all-the-X1-hate

-Also, I work for Microsoft, because ppl who disagree with the internet hivemind don't exist.

It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft actually do pay people to join popular gaming forums, to spread more Xbone marketing spiel, and to 'dissuade' people from hating it.

There have been a few of these people on this forum. (Though funnily enough, they always seem to end up getting themselves banned.)

Microsoft actually paying people to do this shit?


Dude, stuff like this gets relegated to unpaid interns that are all too eager to kiss MS's ass to get that letter of recommendation, college credit, or entry on their resume.

 

[Amir Kondori]

Can people stop with this already?

 

[rob_simple]

I don't hate the Xbone, I hate Microsoft, and their proven track record of taking legitimately good ideas and grinding them into the fucking dirt.

Remember when MSN used to be a nice, basic but functional instant-messaging service? Then they tried to make it Facebook and turned it into this ridiculously bloated faux browser, with a pointless news window that suddenly tanked your computers memory.

Remember how Hotmail used to be a functional, albeit spartan, mail client with a robust junk mail filter and simple controls? Then they forced everyone to switch over to Outlook, their hilarious attempt to ape Gmail, which falls foul of some of the most basic design errors and breaks the cardinal rule of web design: If you can't use Flash responsibly, don't use it at all.

Then we have the operating systems, which have, with each new release, wrestled more and more control from the hands of the user, to the point where it's now a fifty step process just to allow yourself to install a fucking screensaver. Seriously, Windows 7 is functionally useless unless you're willing to spend a lot of time re-activating features that allow the user to decide for themselves how they'd like to use their computer; essentially turning it back into a slightly more broken Vista.

These are just a few examples, I'm sure other people could add more, but basically this is how I feel about Microsoft's approach to the Xbone: there are good ideas in there, but there is also a lot of unnecessary shit they are forcing on you in an attempt to appeal to the broadest possible audience which, as ever, results in an ultimately broken and bland experience.

 

[V8 Ninja]

Well, damn. I had this great response and then I read the last bullet-point. So much for that.

 

[Maximum Bert]

I am unconvinced. Really I have gotten past caring about the Xbox One if they even want me to look at it they still need to lower that pricing PS4 is on the limit for me and I wont be getting that until some games I actually want come out and it has hopefully dropped in price further (299 pounds would be nice).

The fact is Microsoft screwed up big time and their competitors got a huge PR boost by doing basically nothing while Sony is offering similar services to Microsoft (even the shit ones like paying for your online on top of your broadband. So no online gaming for me next gen it seems) for substantially less. Usually having more features than a competitor is a plus point for that company but you know you have fucked up when a competitor looks at your features and goes yeah we dont have that and that and that and receive praise.

Lately Microsoft have done nothing but fuck up, I may still give Xbox One a go if it comes down substantially in price and gets some games that interest me but I am waiting atm. If theres something like the RROD again I am staying out.

 

[Nazulu]

The first point is just your opinion and it doesn't seem you looked at all the arguments being made when they first brought the news of the restrictions to the public. There were a lot, and I mean a fuck load of people who pointed their interests in used games, why it was inconvenient for the army and people with terrible connections, and there were even more.

As for the Kinect, where is the source that most people see the Kinect as a selling point? Also, how are you so sure it's going to work? Looking back on console history, Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Kinect weren't exactly the most reliable, and the Wii-motes were an absolute pain to a lot of people. They should make it an option just incase it doesn't go so well as it does so often.

There is no excuse for the Kinect. It shouldn't be part of the deal because not every game will be made for it. It shouldn't have to be hooked up for the console to work. And I want to know if we're paying for that special part designed to pick up things we say so they can advertise to us better. Who the fuck wants to pay for that?

You are not going to convince anyone by talking about minority's and assuming why a lot of us dislike it, you're just making it worse.

 

[Subscriptism]

Yeah except it was all the disadvantages of both consoles and PCs without any of the advantages of PCs and no longer some of the best advantages of consoles.

Dress it up all you like, that's what it came down to and being an apologist for microsoft extending the great hand of ALLCONTROL is awful.

EDIT: Kinect is, was and always will be terrible. It will never be integrated well with hardcore titles (because it can't be) and will only ever be suitable for the "family" and "gimmick" market.

 

[Bat Vader]

Even though Microsoft reversed the policies of their terrible DRM I still find it terrible they are charging $500.00 for a console and not putting in a basic headset. I heard that the Kinect that comes with an X-Box One can be used a microphone but I think that if a console costs $500.00 there should be a basic headset included.

 

[Drops a Sweet Katana]

This ship has long since sailed, been hit a torpedo and sunk. Most of the hullabaloo was done a few weeks after E3. I think most people have just resigned to being apathetic since that takes less energy. Sure we'll take the piss out of every landmine Microsoft lays then steps on 5 minutes later, but that's because it's funny in a tragic kind of way. I for one won't be getting either console since I'm going into uni and have to pay for rent, food and other shit that contributes to me not having sleep in a box and hunt urban foxes for sustenance.

In other words, pack it in.

 

[launchpadmcqwak]

Disagree on the Kinect. I'd say most people see it as a useless peripheral that achieves nothing but to increase the price of the console.

"Hardcore" gamers, yes, though they make a small percentage of the audience and don't even account for all "hardcore" gamers. And no one likes change in general even if its good for them. "What's this thumbstick good for? You can go all useful directions with a thumbpad, end of argument. Ew a rumble pack? A short-lived gimmick."

you say that only hardcore gamers would be annoyed, then say that one of the main attractions to the new system would be modding?.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all

Yes, it was. No internet, no gameplay for you. Not to mention that Steam doesn't have a monopoly on digital downloads in the PC world. Microsoft would have the monopoly. Monopoly=bad, competition=good. Not that difficult to grasp.

How is no one excited about having modding on a console?

That's up to developers. On PC, it's up to the modders more often than not. So it's not that exciting.

Most ppl see the Kinect 2 as a selling point, since multimedia features are cool for ppl who do things outside of game, and I can't be the only one who wants to see motion controlled hardcore games, which the K2 is capable of delivering. It can even read your emotions and change gameplay according to that...

1. It's the big brother
2. I don't want motion controls and voice commands. It doesn't add anything to my experience. I don't want to have to wave my hands around and scream at the console to do something. I prefer to press a button.

MS has invested in cloud computing, which may not be a HUGE thing at the present moment, though it was important enough for Titanfall to be a Microsoft exclusive, but in years to come it will pay off and help future proof the console. Yes Sony also has some form of cloud storage but nothing close to the scale of Windows Azure.

1. You don't know if it will pay off
2. You don't know the capabilities of Microsoft's or Sony's cloud processing capabilities. You only know what they told you, and Microsoft tends to lie a lot.
3.Cloud processing marketing was aimed at people who don't have a clue what cloud processing is. Those who know weren't excited for a reason. They know that it's not the next big thing Microsoft wants you to believe.

Also, I work for Microsoft, because ppl who disagree with the internet hivemind don't exist.

You don't need to work for Microsoft to be clueless. Plenty of people like you are floating around the web completely oblivious of the fact that the original Microsoft policy was designed to fuck us all in the ass.

 

[socialmenace42]

"Hardcore" gamers, yes, though they make a small percentage of the audience and don't even account for all "hardcore" gamers. And no one likes change in general even if its good for them. "What's this thumbstick good for? You can go all useful directions with a thumbpad, end of argument. Ew a rumble pack? A short-lived gimmick."

You know, You're realy shooting your argument in the foot with your generalisation of 'hardcore gamers' What does that term even mean? I personally don't consider myself to be a hardcore gamer and I agree that the kinect just doesn't have the potential some of us expected, I have to confess that I was seriously excited for the first kinect but soon realised after buying it the unfortunate truth about motion controls: Without physical feedback you feel disengaged from the experience. Sadly no matter how much better the K2 will read your movements and your facial expressions this vital part of the experience will still be missing.

 

[Batou667]

Ooh, I can stop hating the Xbone? Really? Golly gee!

So you mean to tell me that:

All the piddling voice control and media features that I don't care about have suddenly become relevant to me?

The console is cheap, affordable, and a completely justified purchase considering I have a fully working 360?

They're putting backwards-compatability back in?

The Kinekt will be relevant to me, given that I play games while lying in bed in my small apartment?

The graphics are so good that Xbox 360 games look like PS1 games by comparison?

There are games on it that I actually give two hoots about?

Well, consider me converted!

 

[Genocidicles]

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital, and thus required digital DRM similar to Steam's check-in. Of course Steam's check-in is something like once every 2 weeks, but Steam doesn't let you sell your games or share them with your friends.

First of all, Steam's prices are good, so they get to pull that shit. Microsoft on the other hand, still charges ridiculous prices for old games:

Alan Wake, 3 years old game - Steam Sale - Complete £3

Gears Of War, 7 Years Old game - xbox live - £20

So what makes you think they would've had massive sales like Steam does? They know they can get away with charging those ridiculous prices, so why would they lower it?

Plus I don't have to worry about Steam's servers being taken down (with all my games on them) to make way for a Steam 2 in ten years time.

-How is no one excited about having modding on a console?

First of all, It's up to the developers.

Secondly, unless it allows you to bring mods over from a PC with a memory stick, it'll probably suck.

-Most ppl see the Kinect 2 as a selling point, since multimedia features are cool for ppl who do things outside of game, and I can't be the only one who wants to see motion controlled hardcore games, which the K2 is capable of delivering. It can even read your emotions and change gameplay according to that...

It could be good, I don't care, because I don't want to flail my arms around like a spastic chimp or yell at the TV to play games. Being forced to pay for a peripheral I know I don't want is one of the reasons why the xbone sucks.

-MS has invested in cloud computing, which may not be a HUGE thing at the present moment, though it was important enough for Titanfall to be a Microsoft exclusive, but in years to come it will pay off and help future proof the console. Yes Sony also has some form of cloud storage but nothing close to the scale of Windows Azure.

Titanfall is not dependent on cloud computing. Otherwise, why will it be released on the 360 too?

Plus, unless you have an amazing internet connection, games relying on the cloud will suck. It'll be Diablo 3 all over again: Lag in singleplayer, servers crashing, being forced to sit through updates and having to be constantly connected to the internet. That doesn't sound like something to be excited about, just because it means we can get some prettier graphics.

And future proof? Are you joking? Being reliant on these servers mean these games won't last long enough to see the future. The servers will be taken down sooner or later to focus on the next console, so you can wave goodbye to any games that rely on these ridiculous servers.

-Also, I work for Microsoft, because ppl who disagree with the internet hivemind don't exist.

Nah, you're just a fan boy who believes everything Microsoft says without looking at the downsides.

 

[Zeh Don]

I'll stop hating when they make it more work to hate than it is to be apathetic. Right now, they're still adding reasons to hate their console. And it doesn't take any additional effort because the facts speak for themselves.
Like how virtually every single major feature of the console - including "TV TV TV SPORTS!" - requires an Xbox Live Gold subscription. [http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/07/xbox-ones-dvr-feature-requires-xbox-live-gold-membership]

 

[AuronFtw]

How much is microsoft paying people to create these threads? I mean is it a lot? Am I missing out on some easy dough?

 

[Flames66]

Disclaimer: The following response is one persons opinion. The person in question is out of sinc with current thinking and this should not be taken as proven fact (except the proven facts).

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital, and thus required digital DRM similar to Steam's check-in. Of course Steam's check-in is something like once every 2 weeks, but Steam doesn't let you sell your games or share them with your friends.

Firstly don't call me (or anyone else) a consumer.

The difference with Steam is that, if I chose to, I could play most of my games in offline mode with no issues. I could set Steam to be offline and not, in theory, ever have to connect again. With the Xbone I would be required to connect daily even to play single player games which I don't want to do. Any games consoles I have are never connected to the internet, so this would make it non-functional.

-How is no one excited about having modding on a console?

This is the first I've heard of Xbone modding. Any sources?

-Most ppl see the Kinect 2 as a selling point, since multimedia features are cool for ppl who do things outside of game, and I can't be the only one who wants to see motion controlled hardcore games, which the K2 is capable of delivering. It can even read your emotions and change gameplay according to that...

I don't know enough about it to comment on it's "hardcore" gaming capabilities, so I will stick to my opinions and preferences. I have separate things for my multimedia activities and want to keep it that way, so the Kinect 2s features here hold no interest for me.

The fact that it cannot be disconnected is the issue for me. I do not trust M$ with a constantly on and internet connected camera/mic that is capable of telling my position in a room, listening to my conversations and picking up my physical and emotional state.

-MS has invested in cloud computing, which may not be a HUGE thing at the present moment, though it was important enough for Titanfall to be a Microsoft exclusive, but in years to come it will pay off and help future proof the console. Yes Sony also has some form of cloud storage but nothing close to the scale of Windows Azure.

I want all my hardware to be here with me rather than relying on their remote stuff. I don't want my console connected to the internet at all.