Why you shouldn't hate XB1:

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Gor Kur said:
This thread brought to you by Microsoft and their xbox employees
As someone else in this thread pointed out, if the OP works for Microsoft and is trying to spread good PR, he's doing a piss-poor job of it.
theuprising said:
mods on a console, TV features, super accurate motion feedback, cloud computing... that's the future of consoles man
You still haven't explained WHY these things are needed in a console, or WHY people should buy a console with these features.
Just claiming that "it's the future" is nothing more than marketing spiel.

Also, we're all still waiting on some sources and citations for your claims (about both the Xbone, and Steam).
 

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theuprising said:
Honestly I know there are faults with the X1, but I take the devil's advocate position to prove there's blind bashing going on in the interwebs.

Also, yes, the HUGE majority of ppl buying the X1 will be casual gamers. You're saying casual gamers don't like motion control and TV multimedia features? Lel.

I was thinking of getting the PS4 after the price reveal at E3, but then was swayed back to MS b/c the tech geek inside of me loves all the cool stuff the Kinect can do for your TV. If I only cared about games I would obviously stick to my PC, why would I get a PS4 to get no mod support, no ability to move up in graphics, and random single player JRPG's I don't care about?

I dunno, mods on a console, TV features, super accurate motion feedback, cloud computing... that's the future of consoles man, maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but w/e.
Playing the devil's advocate can be fun, but don't think for a moment you've stopped the blind bashing of Xbox 1, you've simply pissed off some people with half-assed reasoning and some questionable facts. You proved nothing and ignored several major issues, if you feel that's a job well done then pat yourself on the back.

-Casual gamers buying a $500 dollar game system, not going to fly. They already have their wii bowling and smart phones, the casual market is out priced and doesn't give a shit about the Kinect 2 (just like they ignored the Kinect 1, or has that because a success since I last looked?)

-PS4 and Xbox 1 are in the same boat for upgrading graphics, the cloud computing is bullshit when it comes to anything the user sees due to speeds being no where close to what they would need to be. If you want to compare a PS4 to a computer then go ahead and make another thread, we're sticking to Xbox 1 hate here.

-Mod support, as Microsoft has stated the ability for an Xbox 1 to become a dev kit and games allowing mods to be two different things. You can design your own games on your PC and then test them on your own system. You would have to pay fees to have anything put onto the market place and go through a process much in the same way indi and arcade titles were done with the Xbox 360. Now to mod a game you would have to have the full code for the Xbox 1 game (no game studio is going to give that out), so yeah never going to happen.
And the rumor hasn't even been fully explained yet, there has to be some prevention of people just d/ling hacked game codes off the net and then using them on the Xbox 1, I expect this feature to be much more underwhelming when it's fully explained.

I want to support your thinking, that there are some silver linings to the Xbox one, but so far you've just crapped up some marketing hype and got extremely excited for a rumor that's only official comment on was "These are two very different things." (when commenting on modding). Microsoft pulled a lot of shit that got a lot of people pissed off, they've reversed on many of these policies but we're still left with a console that's not as good as the $100 cheaper system as far as specs, has motion controls that we're told are better then last gens but have been meh in highly controlled demos with similarly slow response times as the K1, and cloud computing that will do very little.

Oh and some TV stuff, so Microsoft can monitor how long you stair at the boobs in a commercial with the Kintect so you can get an achievement, dunno I just have basic cable so it doesn't effect me.

Oh and all this shit has been said again and again in this and other threads, I'm only repeating it so when google collects metadata people don't get the wrong idea and believe the Xbox one isn't actually shit.
 

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theuprising said:
mods on a console
PS3 had that already. PS4 probably will too. Again publishers and devs had to opt in on Xbone (just like they had to do on PS3) and it has to go through a screening process just like patches do and as such not many get through because it is a huge pain in the ass. Dont think that this means youwould get all the access to mods that PC allows where you can download any old mod anyone makes and install it. Proprietary software works against modding even if it is allowed. You would get a handful of mods for every 100-200 available on PC.

TV features
Hey, I got a TV that has that, that I hook up to my PS3. XD Seriously though, they focus on TV as a main selling point and don't offer DVR... without charging you money? Who the fuck thought up that plan? DVR is standard nowadays and you get it free with the purchase of basic cable packages people probably already have. I thought this was being marketed as a All-in-One media box? But then they hold out standard features to charge extra for them? This isn't the future... its charging extra for old tech.

super accurate motion feedback,
That is what they claimed about the original Kinect and look how that went down.

cloud computing... that's the future of consoles man
... Seriously? ... I hate this slogan. I totally believe you work for Microsoft now. Where do you even... What makes you.... How does that even...

Seriously man, its servers with a buzzword name for the most part... Cloud gaming is the present of gaming. I don't believe the Xbone's BS of their magical billion dollar cloud. It doesn't seem feasible even to tech industry leaders who know more than my butt. The jist is a network of servers that large isn't economically feasible for simple console support. That much should be blatantly obvious to anyone. The fee for XBL isn't going to cover that cost. Using virtual servers would be more cost effective, but that makes what they are saying about real time processing for millions of consoles a lie unless they have super mega L33T servers out there no one else is aware exists. However, virtual servers are both cost effective and perfectly capable for using as DRM servers... HMMMMM. I wonder what the truth is.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
Given the circumstances:

-Overdone, obviously hot button topic
-Tired arguments with no evidence or original thought
-Ignores people stating the obvious needless redundancy of the topic

Probably just badge fishing.
I don't know. It's a pretty new account, and it doesn't have that many posts or badges. Nearly every single post is taking an opposite stand to the popular consensus. Go read his post is the Cats Vs. Dogs thread to see what I mean.

I think something more sinister could be afoot.

OT: I no longer hate the Xbox One, because they have gotten rid of everything that made me uncomfortable in the first place. That being said, the intention was still there, and it has firmly planted me in the Sony camp for now.
 

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I'll say what I said in the previous "Hate Train" thread.


The whole Xbone situation reminds me of a 90's cartoon.


Tom the Cat hits Spike over the head with a baseball bat, only to have the bat splinter when it hits Spike's head. Realizing the bat didn't work, Tom backs away slowly with the biggest, most sheepish grin on his face. Spike then strangles Tom. But then someone comes along and says Spike shouldn't strangle Tom, even though Tom tried to maim Spike with a bat.



We should all be Spike.
 

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Awful lot of these threads showing up lately... your first point kinda sets the tone for the whole thing. They didn't need to add DRM but they did it anyway. So, they didn't need to make things shitty but they did anyway.

The point is Steam always was and always will be what it is. Consoles have never been all digital and all online. People go to consoles primarily because they don'#t want to use computers so they don't want /can't use things like Steam.

I like the original Kinect; had a lot of fun with my friend and his kinect ages ago. The problem people have with this new one is the always on function.

I don't know shit about cloud gaming but as far as I know, nobody's ever been against that, have they?

I think you kind of missed the point on why people hate the Xbone, buddy.
 

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Even without drm, kinect is the reason why people aren't willing to shell an extra 100 dollars like as if we just have hundreds of dollars to spare. So why would People rather buy a ps4 priced at 399.99 vs 499.99. It's because of kinect a crap motion sensor thing that drives the price a hundred dollars.
 

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I can't hate it at this point. Sure it's too expensive, sure we don't need a new console generation and it's unnecessary, sure there's no possible reason for them to absolutely need to cut out backwards compatibility altogether, sure the Kinect sucks, sure the possibilities for invasion of privacy is ludicrous to the point of insanity, sure Microsoft is on record as one of the most anti-consumer brands out there and sure I could get better specs on a PS4 or hell even a fucking PC...

But it's a console like any console so I don't hate it.

But I will say this.

>2013
>Not calling it the Xbone like it deserves.
 

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You are a Microsoft shrill and much like them, completely ignorant of what people want. If you want a good example of a good way of marketing and product development look at the Chromecast.
1. The DRM policy of making everything digital is nice but isn't what people want or need out of a console. The online checkin was a giant middle finger to our armed forces.
2. No one is excited because the mods are going to go through some sort of microsoft QA making them watered down and worthless.
3.NO ONE outside the stupid see the Kinect as anything other then a worthless black box that watches you all the time. Have you forgotten the terrible sales that the Kinect had?
4. No one really cares about the cloud but tech nerds and business buzz word users.
 

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Ed130 said:
Hey the other 'I'm totally not a fanboy/paid off by MS to create this positive thread about a terrible console' came back up!

One of the posters came up with quite the analogy for the next gen of consoles.

Bocaj2000 said:
These game companies are like hookers. Follow me on this... I'm trying to make a point.

(Also, this is from a straight male's perspective)

Wii U is the same hooker that you've been going to since the '80s. Every so often she does something new, but you know what you get with her. If you want her to do what her older sisters would do, she's compatible and will do them gladly. Unfortunately, she's riding off the fame of her sisters right now and doesn't do a whole lot of original things yet.

PS4 is the hooker that everybody loves. Her focus is on one thing and one things only: sex. Yeah, she does other stuff too, but sex is what she's known for. Yeah she has some issues, like any other broad that you see on the street, but she's no worse than her older sister, PS3. Granted, she simply won't do what her sisters do at all, but she has a lot of new tricks up her sleeve.

But the Xbone... she was a hooker with a penis... and she didn't want to be on bottom. All she wanted to do was fuck you in the ass, and she expected you to like it. In fact, she expected you to thank her for it. You see, most straight men don't like being fucked in the ass. In response to this, nobody wanted to buy her. They'd rather buy her rival PS4. So she got an operation. Now that she no longer has a penis, she expects you to forget that she wanted to fuck you in the ass. Some people are okay with her now, and would gladly sleep with her, but many other people still remember that that she had a dick and will never unsee it.

I hope that clears things up. Your actions have consequences, and your words have weight. You can't get me to unhear what you have to say nor forget what you did. Don't fuck with the consumer.
That is the best thing I have ever read I know you are not the original poster but if you could give props to the poster that would mean alot my internet is playing up at the mo.
 

TelHybrid

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Oh yes. How dare people form different opinions to yours. They should definitely not be allowed to do that at all.