Why you shouldn't hate XB1:

[Lightknight]

The persistent need for threads like this over and over again that are evidence for there being warrant for displeasure with the XBO. I think it will be fun to play on and have fun games. There's just too much against it, let alone the shitstorm that was the PR.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

so does this guy just start the threads, then not bother responding after the first page?

 

[IamLEAM1983]

so does this guy just start the threads, then not bother responding after the first page?

Seems to me like he's bored, or he's an easily flustered netizen who recoils as soon as the general opinion doesn't seem to mesh with his own. I don't like the whole "It must be a paid Microsoft goon!" angle because it smacks of paranoia - but the fact is that his history is filled to the brim with posts like this.

Rabid fanboy who has trouble understanding that not everyone has the same definition of Nice Things? That's more likely.

 

[theuprising]

Honestly I know there are faults with the X1, but I take the devil's advocate position to prove there's blind bashing going on in the interwebs.

Also, yes, the HUGE majority of ppl buying the X1 will be casual gamers. You're saying casual gamers don't like motion control and TV multimedia features? Lel.

I was thinking of getting the PS4 after the price reveal at E3, but then was swayed back to MS b/c the tech geek inside of me loves all the cool stuff the Kinect can do for your TV. If I only cared about games I would obviously stick to my PC, why would I get a PS4 to get no mod support, no ability to move up in graphics, and random single player JRPG's I don't care about?

I dunno, mods on a console, TV features, super accurate motion feedback, cloud computing... that's the future of consoles man, maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but w/e.

 

[theuprising]

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital, and thus required digital DRM similar to Steam's check-in. Of course Steam's check-in is something like once every 2 weeks, but Steam doesn't let you sell your games or share them with your friends.

Most of the time when everyone disagrees with you it's because you're wrong.

Lol, yes if you assume popular opinion is the "correct" opinion. Which is not an intelligent assumption.

Reddit proves this point quite often.

 

[theuprising]

Considering it's more Anti-Consumer policies are gone, I really don't care about the Xbone. I'm still getting a PS4. It's better in my eyes, has the games I want to get, $100 cheaper, would only be $60 to buy it's camera so even with that it's still cheaper, comes with the headset, records longer game footage, and above all it isn't forcing motion play, which is the most unimmersive way to play in my book. The more movement I have to do, the less I feel like I'm in that world. At this point, it isn't about stamping out bad policies we don't want to see replicating, it's just about preference, my preference is towards the PS4. But I suppose that's just what us good little sheep would all think in our hivemind, right oh enlightened one? Seriously, there isn't a thing you could say that could make me want an Xbone, there is no appeal for me, I can see the appeal for other people, but that's other people, I don't care what they think.

So if you were NEVER going to buy an X1, why did you cry about it? This why I think MS was stupid for reversing course to appease for ppl who were NEVER going to buy it in the first place and alienating the ppl who enjoyed the new features. If you don't play online games, I doubt you would have enjoyed the X1 too much. Since you probably didn't enjoy your XB360 too much since its most popular games are famed for their online play.

Now they are in damage control, and are going to make digital and physical play 2 different experiences while having to cut features for launch.

 

[Gor Kur]

This thread brought to you by Microsoft and their xbox employees, trying hard to disguise marketing as "grass roots support".

 

[theuprising]

This thread brought to you by Microsoft and their xbox employees, trying hard to disguise marketing as "grass roots support".

Whoah I like the XB1 and said it out loud on the internet? These ppl don't exist, they are PAID to do this, he must work for Microsoft! Though, you don't work for Nvidia if you like the PC, and any one who loves the PS4 doesn't work for Sony, that would be absurd!

Also MS wouldn't do something as novel as this, their PR department sucks too much.

This thread brought to you by Microsoft and their xbox employees, trying hard to disguise marketing as "grass roots support".

which is hilarious, considering the 'fan petitions' that sprang up to bring back the shit DRM scheme was probably made by Microsoft Employees also.

Can't blame them though, they are so indoctrinated that during the reveal, the only cheering and clapping came from the back of the room where the Employees were at.

And this kind of thinking is thought of as fine, and me working at microsoft largely accepted, is all the proof I need of how derp the internet is. Thanks for the lol guys.

 

[Josh123914]

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People complained about the Xbone because they feared Sony or Nintendo would use the same restrictive practices for their consoles further into the console generation. MS honestly believed that people would buy their console even with all of these unwanted restrictions and only began to change their PR strategy when they saw that the PS4 was pummeling them in pre-order numbers, online polls, and in general saw that the air of negativity around their box was not just from some 'vocal minority'.

And about the people not planning to buy an Xbone: Its not their job to.
They are the customers, the company should be the one persuading them to sell them on the system, not the other way around.
Just because I bought a 360 this generation does not mean that I owe MS anything for the next gen.
Sure, there's brand loyalty but that only takes you so far, and bar Nintendo the new consoles aren't Backwards Compatible with this generation so for me this is a clean slate.

And with it being a clean slate, the PS4 is winning.
Right now, Microsoft's PR team is trying very hard to wipe the slate again and pretend the PR fiasco of May-June 2013 didn't happen, but its too late, and many people got more enjoyment out of watching them crash and burn at E3 than they would have actually buying the console.

Also the PS4 is $100 cheaper and is available in more markets. That alone will make a big difference in sales REGARDLESS of advertising. If the shoe was on the other foot here I doubt half as many people would think that the game is over yet.

 

[Atmos Duality]

OT: I don't hate the Xbone, I'm just not buying it.
And I don't need your thoughts or approval for why I shouldn't "hate" it, either.

PS: It helps if you provide some sort of evidence for your tired, useless arguments before trying to tell people why they should/n't do something. But given the overdone nature of the subject, I'm guessing you assume we're familiar with this bullshit already.

Honestly I know there are faults with the X1, but I take the devil's advocate position to prove there's blind bashing going on in the interwebs.

There's a real difference between Devil's Advocate and being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

Also, yes, the HUGE majority of ppl buying the X1 will be casual gamers.

*citation needed*

I was thinking of getting the PS4 after the price reveal at E3, but then was swayed back to MS b/c the tech geek inside of me loves all the cool stuff the Kinect can do for your TV.

Good for you. But remember that you're on a GAMING WEBSITE and you're talking to GAMERS and the biggest problems with the Xbone pertain to GAMES.

If I only cared about games I would obviously stick to my PC, why would I get a PS4 to get no mod support, no ability to move up in graphics, and random single player JRPG's I don't care about?

Uh, you do realize that literally every thing the Xbone can offer for TV options, a PC with an HDMI cable can offer and then some, right?

I dunno, mods on a console, TV features, super accurate motion feedback, cloud computing... that's the future of consoles man, maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but w/e.

-Mods on consoles
This will never happen. It goes directly against the proprietary business model consoles have pushed since the 80s.

All three major console companies forbid the customer running any unauthorized (unlicensed) software on their machines, primarily because it competes with the licensed software that they make royalties on.

And that kind of software INCLUDES MODS.
To be blunt, mods compete with DLC. Content is content. They can't charge 3 bucks for 3 weapons if anyone can make content that functions similarly available for free.

-"super accurate motion feedback"
Two words: "Steel Battalion"
"Super accurate" my pale white ass.

-'TV!'
HDMI cable + PC > Anything Xbone can offer. Or you can..just watch TV.

-'Cloud Computing'
Cannot enhance games nearly as much as MS (or any other big company) wants you to believe simply due to the fact that local processing bus speeds will always be several magnitudes faster than any long distance network connection BY PHYSICAL LAW.

If you want cloud processing to enhance games say, visually, that means dealing with rendering and visual data.

Problem #1: Rendering data is not small. Visual data is EASILY the largest chunk of the game data in memory for most modern games.

Problem #2: Rendering processing occurs on a per-frame basis and is thus very time dependent. So if your game runs at 60 FPS, then your latency cannot EVER exceed 1/60 secs or the game will lag and/or tear. (latency <16 ms)

So, not only do you have to transmit a potentially LARGE amount of data through the network connection but that data must now arrive in under 1/FPS seconds. And that's being generous; I'm not even including the processing time on the cloud.

This is simply NOT FEASIBLE AT ALL on your average 10MBPS cable connection (USA).

Smaller tasks like AI processing and positioning data can work, but the benefits will be miniscule, ironically because those kinds of calculations aren't nearly as intense as rendering (well, proper AI would take more, but I have yet to see a game that provides a properly intelligent AI outside of Galactic Civ 2. Nevermind that proper AI isn't necessary in our present age of Big Dumb Multiplayer Bro-shooters).

Cloud processing will remain quite irrelevant to the home game market until we're all running something closer to 30 MBPS. (which won't happen in the Xbone's lifespan thanks to the US ISPs running a Duopoly cartel; they don't have to upgrade their offers because they don't have to compete)

Why is it that the only xbone threads I've seen in the last couple of days have been "Don't hate Xbone" threads?

No one was talking about the xbone until you say stop hating it.

Given the circumstances:

-Overdone, obviously hot button topic
-Tired arguments with no evidence or original thought
-Ignores people stating the obvious needless redundancy of the topic

Probably just badge fishing.

 

[klaynexas3]

Considering it's more Anti-Consumer policies are gone, I really don't care about the Xbone. I'm still getting a PS4. It's better in my eyes, has the games I want to get, $100 cheaper, would only be $60 to buy it's camera so even with that it's still cheaper, comes with the headset, records longer game footage, and above all it isn't forcing motion play, which is the most unimmersive way to play in my book. The more movement I have to do, the less I feel like I'm in that world. At this point, it isn't about stamping out bad policies we don't want to see replicating, it's just about preference, my preference is towards the PS4. But I suppose that's just what us good little sheep would all think in our hivemind, right oh enlightened one? Seriously, there isn't a thing you could say that could make me want an Xbone, there is no appeal for me, I can see the appeal for other people, but that's other people, I don't care what they think.

So if you were NEVER going to buy an X1, why did you cry about it? This why I think MS was stupid for reversing course to appease for ppl who were NEVER going to buy it in the first place and alienating the ppl who enjoyed the new features. If you don't play online games, I doubt you would have enjoyed the X1 too much. Since you probably didn't enjoy your XB360 too much since its most popular games are famed for their online play.

Now they are in damage control, and are going to make digital and physical play 2 different experiences while having to cut features for launch.

Because if it did go well, then other companies would switch to using said terrible anti-consumer policies. That is why I was "crying" about it. Same reason why people got pissed over SimCity and Diablo 3. And I don't know why you're bringing up online play, as I never even mentioned it in my first post. I don't appreciate a console forcing people into being online damn near all the time, as not every single game made is online. And since you're feeling alienated, I want you to think about how that all feels, because if you do, you might understand, even the slightest bit, why people did not want to see the Xbox One as it was hit the market.

 

[SeventhSigil]

Considering it's more Anti-Consumer policies are gone, I really don't care about the Xbone. I'm still getting a PS4. It's better in my eyes, has the games I want to get, $100 cheaper, would only be $60 to buy it's camera so even with that it's still cheaper, comes with the headset, records longer game footage, and above all it isn't forcing motion play, which is the most unimmersive way to play in my book. The more movement I have to do, the less I feel like I'm in that world. At this point, it isn't about stamping out bad policies we don't want to see replicating, it's just about preference, my preference is towards the PS4. But I suppose that's just what us good little sheep would all think in our hivemind, right oh enlightened one? Seriously, there isn't a thing you could say that could make me want an Xbone, there is no appeal for me, I can see the appeal for other people, but that's other people, I don't care what they think.

So if you were NEVER going to buy an X1, why did you cry about it? This why I think MS was stupid for reversing course to appease for ppl who were NEVER going to buy it in the first place and alienating the ppl who enjoyed the new features. If you don't play online games, I doubt you would have enjoyed the X1 too much. Since you probably didn't enjoy your XB360 too much since its most popular games are famed for their online play.

Now they are in damage control, and are going to make digital and physical play 2 different experiences while having to cut features for launch.

You're claiming that it was people who would never buy it raising protests, but believe me when I say that the preorders for the console actually improved considerably after the initial reversal. Before, it was pretty much an utter slaughter, Especially in the United Kingdom, and although the Xbox One is still behind the PlayStation 4 in terms of numbers, at least now it isn't so comically lopsided. Before the reversal, The Xbox ones sales may have been even more sluggish than the WiiU's, And you see how that's been treating Nintendo. Although the fact that they went back on their indie policies, and now might actually be including headsets despite claims to the contrary suggest that the numbers still aren't where they would like them to be.

 

[CaptainThom]

Yes lets just forget Microsoft trying to screw us over, why not? They definitely wouldn't even consider doing it again would they?

Despite that the Xbox One is just way to expensive and before you argue you get the Kinetic as well i don't see the point in it, whats wrong with just plain ole controllers. The Ps4 is cheaper and if anything will be more powerful than the Xbox One.

You do realise you don't have to defend the Xbox One don't you, you don't owe it any loyalty and you shouldn't care whether or not other people like it.So can we stop with these threads honestly i hear more about not hating the Xbox one recently than i have about hating it.

 

[Foolery]

Eh. You can't convince me Microsoft weren't being a a bunch of dicks with the XB1. They've always been a bunch of dicks. So is Sony. Sony just happens to be the less dickish of the two this time around. Still not happy that online play will cost money on PS4. Anyway, good for you, if you're picking up the XB1. I hope you're happy with it. Don't see why you need justify that to other people.

 

[Strelok]

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital, and thus required digital DRM similar to Steam's check-in. Of course Steam's check-in is something like once every 2 weeks, but Steam doesn't let you sell your games or share them with your friends.

Don't care about DRM as primarily a PC gamer I am used to it, but piracy low on the consoles? Lower than PC absolutely, but the XBox is pirated like mad. Alan Wake was pirated more than it was purchased, on XBox, pretty much guaranteeing no sequel for Remedy. Instead some boring looking mess called Quantum Nonsense or something like that, tied in to XBone's ridiculous TV features. This is what they do with talent like Remedy, yikes. You are right Steam does have a check in and the time it comes up is unknown, I run Steam offline all week. Tuesday it came up with errors for some games "cannot contact licensing server" apparently the offline mode credentials expire after a time, Steam support has been unclear of how long that is, so don't know where you got two weeks.

-How is no one excited about having modding on a console?

I'll believe it when I see it.

-Most ppl see the Kinect 2 as a selling point, since multimedia features are cool for ppl who do things outside of game, and I can't be the only one who wants to see motion controlled hardcore games, which the K2 is capable of delivering. It can even read your emotions and change gameplay according to that...

Really? I have never met one of these mythical Kinect fans, do they in the magical land of unicorns and leprechauns? Hardcore motion controlled games? Like that disaster they vomited on the gaming world, some mech game that can't really be controlled at all? Is that the hardcore games you are looking for?

-MS has invested in cloud computing, which may not be a HUGE thing at the present moment, though it was important enough for Titanfall to be a Microsoft exclusive, but in years to come it will pay off and help future proof the console. Yes Sony also has some form of cloud storage but nothing close to the scale of Windows Azure.

Cloud computing and gaming is absolutely the future, I don't want Microsoft bumbling around anywhere near it. Who would want a near incompetent company at the helm of something as important as this? As a side note people who use the phrase "future proof" for any electronics and especially the likes of console are in for a very rude awakening and huge disappointment.

 

[faefrost]

This thread brought to you by Microsoft and their xbox employees, trying hard to disguise marketing as "grass roots support".

Whoah I like the XB1 and said it out loud on the internet? These ppl don't exist, they are PAID to do this, he must work for Microsoft! Though, you don't work for Nvidia if you like the PC, and any one who loves the PS4 doesn't work for Sony, that would be absurd!

Also MS wouldn't do something as novel as this, their PR department sucks too much.

Hmmm?
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Reddit-Xbox-One-Reputation-Management-upvote-downvote,23014.html
Yeah, sure. They would never ever stoop to such things, nor would they ever be bright enough to think about of it.

 

[NiPah]

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital, and thus required digital DRM similar to Steam's check-in. Of course Steam's check-in is something like once every 2 weeks, but Steam doesn't let you sell your games or share them with your friends.

you have no idea why they were implementing the 24hour check, nor do I, I just know it would have fucked me if the servers ever went down on their side, or I moved to a place like my last apartments where the ISP had issues with online console connections. Sharing with friends? doesn't matter to me. Not needing a disk? sounds great till you factor in the storage required and the amount of time you'll spend installing the data.

-Also, I work for Microsoft, because ppl who disagree with the internet hivemind don't exist.

Most of the time when everyone disagrees with you it's because you're wrong.

Lol, yes if you assume popular opinion is the "correct" opinion. Which is not an intelligent assumption.

Reddit proves this point quite often.

Clever edit on the quotes to make it seem like I responded to your DRM with a simple "ignore the loony" bit.
No my comment was not directed towards your "raw raw DRM is actually good" sctich, it was more directed towards your playing of the helpless victim who must speak out against a wrong when everyone judges them to be a liar and a farce routine.
Sure there are many times when the popular opinion isn't correct, but surely you know that statistically speaking the opinions held by the minority are wrong the majority of the time?
Or did you honestly think you were correct because there are a lot of idiots on Reddit?

 

[Rad Party God]

Aside that you get your "facts" out of your arse, I don't care either way.

I don't hate the Xbone per-se, but it's incredibly entertaining to see MS crash and burn at such epic proportions, also, if I was even remotely interested on buying the thing, I simply couldn't afford it, because simply put, owning a console in this country is a luxurity I can't afford at the moment (people are complaining about a $500 console?, how about having to pay $700 for it?... yeah, that's what I thought).

I'm pretty comfortable with PC gaming at the moment, simply because I can afford it, not because of "better graphics and mods" (although those are a pretty nice bonus too).