Why's everything being changed NOW?

[Gavmando]

Why now? Because we are effectively at the start of a second renascence. (Yay Matrix reference!) If you look at how much more information is available to us, and at the speed at which it is available, the conditions are perfect!
I seem to remember a stat that I once read saying that a child by the age of ten has absorbed more information than an old person 100 years ago. (Cant quite remember the details.)
The net has been a massive boost to the global conscience. We're getting smarter and more educated because all the tools are there for us.

Right, the religion part:
Quote time - "Understand that for organised religion to succeed, it has to make people believe that they need it. In order for people to put faith in something else, they must first loose faith in themselves. So the first task of organised religion is to make you loose faith in yourself. The second task is to make you see that it has the answers you do not. And the third and most important task is to make you accept its answers without question.
If you question, you start to think."
- Conversations with God book II, By Neale Donald Walsh.
With so much information available to us, we are bound to start to question. And we are definatly thinking. It seems, (to me), that people are starting to realise that they're being fed something that they're told they must believe. Hopefully people will get back to the underlying messages of most religions of being good to one another and putting aside your egos. And ignoring the thousands of years of egoic corruption on an underlying message of good.
Have your faith, question your religion.

Hmm. Sorry if I hijacked this thread into a religious debate. But, in short, we're questioning things at a faster rate because it's easier for us to gain information, share that information and not feel like we're the only ones who are questioning things.

Hope that was a decent first post.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Ok I may have skimped out a bit on the research for this one, but, why are all the common beliefs and stuff being challenged now? It used to be that religion went unchallenged for thousands of years, and women are just now complaining about the glass ceiling when a couple decades ago they were only housewives?

I just don't understand why everything like this is being challenged now of all times when it has been the standard for a really long time

because of liberal douche bags who want to fix what isn't broken.
after 40,000 years of human evolution the human race feels the need to destroy everything that makes us human

Are you kidding? What, exactly, makes us human that we are destroying?

 

[Mr0llivand3r]

Ok I may have skimped out a bit on the research for this one, but, why are all the common beliefs and stuff being challenged now? It used to be that religion went unchallenged for thousands of years, and women are just now complaining about the glass ceiling when a couple decades ago they were only housewives?

I just don't understand why everything like this is being challenged now of all times when it has been the standard for a really long time

because of liberal douche bags who want to fix what isn't broken.
after 40,000 years of human evolution the human race feels the need to destroy everything that makes us human

Are you kidding? What, exactly, makes us human that we are destroying?

intuition and impulses. people try to stifle their emotions and say that what goes on in our heads is wrong. take for example the exponentially growing feminist bullshit idea that little boys need to be taught to be more feminine and subdued, while a little boy's real instinct would be to be masculine. there are books written on this topic.
anger management classes are another example. what, it's not right to be angry in this day and age anymore?

 

[Avatar Roku]

Ok I may have skimped out a bit on the research for this one, but, why are all the common beliefs and stuff being challenged now? It used to be that religion went unchallenged for thousands of years, and women are just now complaining about the glass ceiling when a couple decades ago they were only housewives?

I just don't understand why everything like this is being challenged now of all times when it has been the standard for a really long time

because of liberal douche bags who want to fix what isn't broken.
after 40,000 years of human evolution the human race feels the need to destroy everything that makes us human

Are you kidding? What, exactly, makes us human that we are destroying?

intuition and impulses. people try to stifle their emotions and say that what goes on in our heads is wrong. take for example the exponentially growing feminist bullshit idea that little boys need to be taught to be more feminine and subdued, while a little boy's real instinct would be to be masculine. there are books written on this topic.
anger management classes are another example. what, it's not right to be angry in this day and age anymore?

For the second part, it's not right to be angry if it gets violent.

Also, while I don't necessarily disagree with the first part, what makes you think that a boy will be all masculine (before puberty and the huge influx of testosterone, obviously) other than that society demands it?

 

[Pimppeter2]

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[Pimppeter2]

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[Avatar Roku]

anger management classes are another example. what, it's not right to be angry in this day and age anymore?

Because we are no longer cavemen and can discuss thing without violence, i see your point but anger management is not for people who get angry when people make fun of them or something really frustrating happens, were talking about people who explode because their wife didnt change the batteries in the remote

Apt example, you worded it better than I.

 

[AndresCL]

Why not?

You win this thread.

Easily.

Indubitably.

I like quoting people!

Me too.

Rememeber that religion was made to answer questions that we could not answer, and some of them that we still cant, so its pretty much "If you dont want to see the truth, or belive the logic way of the answer, then get a religion" (Still my grandfather and grandmother are very religius and some pepole that ive met too, so i still respect them, but its the way i think about it)

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

anger management classes are another example. what, it's not right to be angry in this day and age anymore?

Because we are no longer cavemen and can discuss thing without violence, i see your point but anger management is not for people who get angry when people make fun of them or something really frustrating happens, were talking about people who explode because their wife didnt change the batteries in the remote

Hes probably under-sexed and visiting a prostitute, so he wants a reason to demean her like shes the bad one.


This is why the human race is doomed, and eugenics are encouraged.

 

[Gavmando]

I'll try not to harp on about it too much, buuuuuuut, if you want to know more about how religion is it's own worst enemy, (That's my nice way of putting it) then you should read the books Conversations with God I, II and III By Neale Donald Walsh. It will change the way you think about why religion is the way it is.

 

[VZLANemesis]

Me too.

Rememeber that religion was made to answer questions that we could not answer, and some of them that we still cant, so its pretty much "If you dont want to see the truth, or belive the logic way of the answer, then get a religion" (Still my grandfather and grandmother are very religius and some pepole that ive met too, so i still respect them, but its the way i think about it)

I really disagree not just with you but with people who still think that way. It's not just that religion works for people who cant find answers to stuff. Religion in my opinion works for much more than that. It gives some people something to live (and die) for. Something that doesn't change with the pass of time. Something that dictates what values and principles they believe to be right.

Mass for example is something that usually binds whole communities together and help people know and understand each other. I get the whole trend to believe that religion is an outdated thing and that it does no longer serve a purpose, because I too went through that phase, but I now see it otherwise. I'm not a religious man myself, but I just can't help but to get pissed at the bunch of people who are now not giving religion a chance just because its what's cool :S

 

[Mr0llivand3r]

anger management classes are another example. what, it's not right to be angry in this day and age anymore?

Because we are no longer cavemen and can discuss thing without violence, i see your point but anger management is not for people who get angry when people make fun of them or something really frustrating happens, were talking about people who explode because their wife didnt change the batteries in the remote

i agree that getting violent isn't the answer but people are now trying to suppress anger entirely. it's just plain wrong to do that, because we're human, and it's good that we get angry because it puts happiness into perspective.

and as far as a man exploding at his wife, i believe it's usually because he hasn't been able to let his anger out, and so it explodes in a gigantic rage. if people were allowed to express little bursts of angry, it wouldn't build up inside them

 

[Mr0llivand3r]

Ok I may have skimped out a bit on the research for this one, but, why are all the common beliefs and stuff being challenged now? It used to be that religion went unchallenged for thousands of years, and women are just now complaining about the glass ceiling when a couple decades ago they were only housewives?

I just don't understand why everything like this is being challenged now of all times when it has been the standard for a really long time

because of liberal douche bags who want to fix what isn't broken.
after 40,000 years of human evolution the human race feels the need to destroy everything that makes us human

Are you kidding? What, exactly, makes us human that we are destroying?

intuition and impulses. people try to stifle their emotions and say that what goes on in our heads is wrong. take for example the exponentially growing feminist bullshit idea that little boys need to be taught to be more feminine and subdued, while a little boy's real instinct would be to be masculine. there are books written on this topic.
anger management classes are another example. what, it's not right to be angry in this day and age anymore?

For the second part, it's not right to be angry if it gets violent.

Also, while I don't necessarily disagree with the first part, what makes you think that a boy will be all masculine (before puberty and the huge influx of testosterone, obviously) other than that society demands it?

biology for one thing. boys have more testosterone, and also in the womb they are more susceptible to chemicals and hormones which influence masculine behavior.
also, a father's influence. a boy is far more likely to want to be like their father than their mother even at a young age like 5

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

I just don't understand why everything like this is being challenged now of all times when it has been the standard for a really long time

The modern Anglo-American culture (Western culture in general but Anglo-American especially) is distinct from almost every previous culture that has ever existed in that it embraces change and progressive thought.

This actually started in Medieval England with the Magna Carta. The concept that the ruler's power should be limited. That was the product of people looking to improve their status in life as people have always dreamed of but this time it actually worked which leads to where we are now.

 

[Thaepheux]

Why not?

You win this thread.

Easily.

Indubitably.

Mmmmyes quite.

I dont know.. I'm almost sure smokeybearsb is genuine in his thread post to get some of our opinions on a serious question.

But the other part of me is being lead to assume that he only wants THE AWARD FOR 50 REPLIES IN A CREATED TOPIC!

I'm on to youuuuu! *squint*

 

[Labyrinth]

In a lot of ways, this relates to the post modernist movement.

Right before WWII there was certainty. Absolute truths were given, save the pondering of philosophers. Everyday people were perfectly happy to go around with the confidence that they would achieve the American Dream, or the Australian dream, or whatever. They believed in justice, moral righteousness and mamma's Apple Pie. Modernism was in full swing, as it were. Great narratives were written with the belief that their premise was absolute culture.

Then the Bomb.

Then post modernism. This lead to the realisation that we can very easily destroy ourselves. Much of the movement came about from undermining and questioning the modernist and pre-modernist values. This is still happening today.

Such a shift was not only aided by a shift to new literature styles, but also by the sudden abundance of reading material to lower classes. Books were much more widely spread which gave an avenue to alternative philosophies. The ability and popularity of expressing them too.

One could say that the 50s and 60s also gave rise to a more socially liberal agender overall, with sex being removed from the overly taboo part of society and spread across the media instead. Marilyn Munroe. Hollywood. That kind of thing. People snatched their freedom to flaunt the fact that they were vitally different from the sort of regime which had predominated during the war itself. From there, it's been continuing in a sort of social evolution towards the present day.

This is not the first example of these sorts of changes, it's more a matter of this being one of the most dramatic shifts with the predomination of new technology helping it along. It's also one we can see with our own eyes. In the next 18 months, more computing technology progress will be made than in the however many thousands of years up until the invention of the silicon chip. With such a rate of invention is it any surprise.

 

[Credge]

In reality, people have been thinking like this forever.

This. Religion has been challenged ever since it's creation.

 

[Jaythulhu]

It's far better than sitting around believing everything you're told like a good little zombie. Seriously, people need to question the bullshit that gets shoved out as the official truth. Questioning nonsense like religion, sexuality and politics should be taught to kids from an early age.

 

[Nazulu]

It's far better than sitting around believing everything you're told like a good little zombie. Seriously, people need to question the bullshit that gets shoved out as the official truth. Questioning nonsense like religion, sexuality and politics should be taught to kids from an early age.

I read some of your other comments and your just trying to piss everyone off, I don't follow the bible either but bloody hell!

Back to the thread, we make changes for the better usually and now we have real freedom and human rights. I can understand why people need beliefs but c'mon it's not always the right answer.

 

[Jaythulhu]

I read some of your other comments and your just trying to piss everyone off, I don't follow the bible either but bloody hell!

Back to the thread, we make changes for the better usually and now we have real freedom and human rights. I can understand why people need beliefs but c'mon it's not always the right answer.

You've got no bloody idea what you're on about.

I was going to explain things further, but then I remembered that there's no point in arguing with someone who believes something, you may as well beat your head against a wall.

However, in brief: The OP wants to know why things are being challenged now. I gave my thoughts on the matter. Guess what? I'm allowed to do that. If you get pissed off by reading what I have to say, that's your deficiency. I'm very sorry you completely misread what I had posted and somehow came to a massively incorrect interpretation.

Back on topic, I fail to see how not challenging anything is acceptable. To sit there like a lump and believe everything that gets said willy nilly? That's both irresponsible and stupid. Questions need to be asked, of authority figures of all kinds. The status quo is not the place to live. I'd much rather be informed, but hey, I'm like that, being one of those strange "reading" critters.