Why's everything being changed NOW?

[Dele]

anger management classes are another example. what, it's not right to be angry in this day and age anymore?

Because we are no longer cavemen and can discuss thing without violence

I highly question the correctness of this sentiment. Getting beat (or at least mentally attacked) for your opinions is still quite normal all across the globe.

 

[Nazulu]

I read some of your other comments and your just trying to piss everyone off, I don't follow the bible either but bloody hell!

Back to the thread, we make changes for the better usually and now we have real freedom and human rights. I can understand why people need beliefs but c'mon it's not always the right answer.

You've got no bloody idea what you're on about.

I was going to explain things further, but then I remembered that there's no point in arguing with someone who believes something, you may as well beat your head against a wall.

However, in brief: The OP wants to know why things are being challenged now. I gave my thoughts on the matter. Guess what? I'm allowed to do that. If you get pissed off by reading what I have to say, that's your deficiency. I'm very sorry you completely misread what I had posted and somehow came to a massively incorrect interpretation.

Back on topic, I fail to see how not challenging anything is acceptable. To sit there like a lump and believe everything that gets said willy nilly? That's both irresponsible and stupid. Questions need to be asked, of authority figures of all kinds. The status quo is not the place to live. I'd much rather be informed, but hey, I'm like that, being one of those strange "reading" critters.

You are still doing it, plus it hasn't to do with what your about to say because you have already said it. Calm the fuck down, just because you think believers are wrong doesn't mean it's nonsense, it has inspired many good and bad things and we continue to adapt.

 

[mangus]

I'd like to know where the OP has been the last few thousand years or so.

there's something wrong with that statement, but I'll let you figure it out.

I have been to the future and we have done away with change.

 

[AndresCL]

Me too.

Rememeber that religion was made to answer questions that we could not answer, and some of them that we still cant, so its pretty much "If you dont want to see the truth, or belive the logic way of the answer, then get a religion" (Still my grandfather and grandmother are very religius and some pepole that ive met too, so i still respect them, but its the way i think about it)

I really disagree not just with you but with people who still think that way. It's not just that religion works for people who cant find answers to stuff. Religion in my opinion works for much more than that. It gives some people something to live (and die) for. Something that doesn't change with the pass of time. Something that dictates what values and principles they believe to be right.

Mass for example is something that usually binds whole communities together and help people know and understand each other. I get the whole trend to believe that religion is an outdated thing and that it does no longer serve a purpose, because I too went through that phase, but I now see it otherwise. I'm not a religious man myself, but I just can't help but to get pissed at the bunch of people who are now not giving religion a chance just because its what's cool :S

But i mind, did it really worth it? All those killing in the name of god and stuff? Killing pepole "for god" and stopping science

 

[Gooble]

Freedom of speech

 

[VZLANemesis]

Mmmmyes quite.

I dont know.. I'm almost sure smokeybearsb is genuine in his thread post to get some of our opinions on a serious question.

But the other part of me is being lead to assume that he only wants THE AWARD FOR 50 REPLIES IN A CREATED TOPIC!

I'm on to youuuuu! *squint*

49... Almost there XD
Give the poor man a badge.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

For the second part, it's not right to be angry if it gets violent.

Violence is an intergral part of humanity, and it's controlled usuage is both benifical to society and excellent fun.


And to the atheists: This is Lord Fondant. For those of you unfamiliar with me, I am a unbelieving, cynical bastard who has taken unbelief to new heights of sin and nihilism. I am also one of the most well-informed historians on this forum.

Myth One: Religion retards progress: Actually, you're wrong there. Religion has often acted to both preserve and stimulate scientific advances, as the Catholic church did after the fall of Rome, and, indeed, by funding such men as Coloumbus and Gallieo and Da Vinci- why do you think the Reneisance started in Italy?

Myth Two: Religion is a delusion: A delusion with records and history behind it. Beyond that, the balance of proof is just that, a balance, with some circumstantial evidence actually supporting the 'God' side of the debate.

Myth Three: relgion is bad for society. Actually, religion is an accepted method of socialisation and social control. In essence, it acts to curb both antisocial and destructive impulses, and to educate people in the functioning of society. In lay terms, it prevents people from turning into chavs and scum.

 

[Sgt. Dante]

Social evolution, as time and technology changes we have to change with it.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Myth One: Religion retards progress: Actually, you're wrong there. Religion has often acted to both preserve and stimulate scientific advances, as the Catholic church did after the fall of Rome, and, indeed, by funding such men as Coloumbus and Gallieo and Da Vinci- why do you think the Reneisance started in Italy?

I may be wrong, but didn't they detain Gallieo for saying the earth revolves around the sun?

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Myth One: Religion retards progress: Actually, you're wrong there. Religion has often acted to both preserve and stimulate scientific advances, as the Catholic church did after the fall of Rome, and, indeed, by funding such men as Coloumbus and Gallieo and Da Vinci- why do you think the Reneisance started in Italy?

I may be wrong, but didn't they detain Gallieo for saying the earth revolves around the sun?

Entirely true sir, and that was a case whereby they did attempt to impede progress. However, my point was (if I were more cogent) that religion is not the monstrous prescence that has orchestrated human ills for the past millenia. My point is, that it has done a great deal of good- possibly even net goot.


And thank you for your civility.

 

[SilentHunter7]

Ok I may have skimped out a bit on the research for this one, but, why are all the common beliefs and stuff being challenged now? It used to be that religion went unchallenged for thousands of years, and women are just now complaining about the glass ceiling when a couple decades ago they were only housewives?

I just don't understand why everything like this is being challenged now of all times when it has been the standard for a really long time

No. Traditional views been being challenged for a while. At least as far back as Copernicus. It's just that now dissent is publicized, and like having weird hair and leg-warmers in the 80's, challenging traditional views has become the thing.

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

Religion has been challenged since its inception, it has just never been challenged as openly and broadly as it is being challenged today.

Christianity pretty much began with a "convert or die" doctrine. Why do you think so many Christian rites and traditions are of blatant Pagan origin? Pagans didn't want to convert and the Catholics said "hey, if you don't believe in Jesus with us we'll kill you. You can keep your holidays and stuff, just believe in Christ or die."