Wii U to be quickly outdated?

[Tanis]

Considering the 360 is outdated tech, compared to the PS3, I don't see it.

As long as games sell, there will be ports of games from the PS3/Xbox3 to the WiiU.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[RandV80]

It shouldn't be as bad this time around.

Basically, Nintendo used a relatively straight forward formula for the Wii, and will be doing the same for Wii U:

$300 selling point - extra cost of expensive new controller - small margin of profit = $x.xx for hardware

The PS3 and 360 on the other hand used something more like:

Selling price = cost of top cutting edge technology - complex formula to determine how much they can lose per sale now but come out profitable 5 years from now

For Sony and Microsoft's next console, they're going to be a little more cautious about setting to high a selling price and also selling at a loss. This should handicap the hardware to a certain extent, by how much remains to be seen but they likely won't be nearly as cutting edge as last time around. Actually what may help them the most is if they're launching a year after Nintendo the hardware can be a little better for a little less.

I'm not sure exactly how to measure this but my own prediction/guess is that the next PS/Xbox well have specs that could have been released as cutting edge top of the line consoles 1-2 years ago for $600-800, but the delay will have reduced the costs to a $400-500 selling point.

Bottom line is it will be behind but the Wii-U should be much closer to getting cross-platform games than the last time around. Everyone always seems to overlook this fact but what really hurts the Wii's library isn't so much a lack of games as it is that the PS3 and 360 basically share their libraries. It wasn't Wii vs PS3 vs 360, it was Wii vs PS3 + 360. Going by exclusives only the Wii lineup looks pretty good actually.

 

[Davroth]

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Yeah, I don't really care.

I'm just saying. You cannot say "the console cannot do AA at 1080P", that's bullshit. It can do it, I don't care if it is just for Pong. That's what takes credibility from the source. And I am well aware of the tricks they used for Wipeout and the like.

Well if it was a credible source it wouldn't be as banal as saying "yeah it can do 1080p and 8xAA, but only with pong" it is talking about that resolution with at least the current standards of graphic fidelity.

But if this subject is exhausting you it's draining me. Having to explain the same things over and over again and still some people (even the same person) then asks the same thing I just refuted as if it's a "gotcha" question.

Well I'm fed up. Nintendo got undeserved credit for taking on PS3 and 360 as if it had a better product... when all it had was a cheaper one that was competing more with PS2 by its temporal price point and capability.

You base all of your speculations about the Wii U on an anonymous source. I don't see why I should trust that source over the Gearbox developers or Epic Games, who both made the claim that the Wii U is much more powerful then the current generation of consoles.

What you have is some hearsay and one comment from Nintendo that can be interpreted in a number of way. As I said before, that doesn't sell it to me.

 

[the_dude_abides]

I think the wiiU is going to flop and flop bad. I watched the wiiU trailer when it first came out and my first thought was..really? Thats the best you can come up with?

I can draw on my smartphone, I can play simple games with friends on my smartphone. I can make video calls with guess what? My smartphone.

Share photos and videos with friends through my TV? I can already do that using my remote control.

The rest of it looked badly thought out. Why would I spend my time staring at a small screen rather than my 42 inch hdtv? Why are the graphics so similar to my 7 year old xbox? Why were there so few exciting games announced for it at e3?

It would have been an exciting console say, four or five years ago before smartphones and tablets really took hold. In 2012..it just looks tired and dated.

 

[wintercoat]

Look at tech specs for every other console. They never mention anything like that, only the output resolution.

I'm not tired of this, I have just stopped caring. I mean, someone (I won't use the word I am thinking of) thinks the PS4 will have a 7970 in it despite the quoted power in GFLOPS being less than half of the 7970 and lower than the 7850. Never mind the fact that having a 7970 would mean a huge pricetag or a late 2014 release date and it would massive power and heat issues.

Wait for actual tech specs.

Though, I am feeling in a generous mood so I'll give you some ammo just to keep you arguing with people. (You can enlarge the image)

You could argue PS3 has the edge here. This must means so much! Go wild.

Wow, the WiiU actually looks a bit smoother then the PS3 version, though that might be my eyes, and it might be because the Batman is now wearing stomach armor.

There's also a lot more lighting on the WiiU Batman still. The Joker is easier to compare. His hair looks about comparable, though I'd give the edge to the PS3. His eyes look more realistic in the WiiU version, as do his wrinkles. His nose looks comparable in both shots. The lip make-up looks better on the PS3, as does the chapped look of his lips. Not really much else you can compare. I mean, it's really tiny differences in quality as it is.

 

[bullet_sandw1ch]

Soooooo.... You all really care that much about graphics? Haha don't play Xenoblade then.

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

people dont hate, they're just being logical. this will get outdated. guaranteed. why? because microsoft and sony know that nintendo has a HUGE following, and they have to do something big [processing power, graphics, hardware quality] to make nintendo irrelevent, so they can stay relevent. its akin to a kid getting a cool toy, and other kids get cooler, bigger toys to make the other kid not as awesome to be around. also, its not even a tablet, its just a controller for the actual console.

 

[bullet_sandw1ch]

I think the wiiU is going to flop and flop bad. I watched the wiiU trailer when it first came out and my first thought was..really? Thats the best you can come up with?

I can draw on my smartphone, I can play simple games with friends on my smartphone. I can make video calls with guess what? My smartphone.

Share photos and videos with friends through my TV? I can already do that using my remote control.

The rest of it looked badly thought out. Why would I spend my time staring at a small screen rather than my 42 inch hdtv? Why are the graphics so similar to my 7 year old xbox? Why were there so few exciting games announced for it at e3?

It would have been an exciting console say, four or five years ago before smartphones and tablets really took hold. In 2012..it just looks tired and dated.

you, sir, win an awesome cookie. you basically put my exact thoughts on the internet without me typing a thing.

 

[bullet_sandw1ch]

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Take note that despite the Wii's lacking power and graphics compared to the 360 and PS3, it still managed to outsell them both.

I won't be surprised if the Wii U is the same story, especially considering that any Next Gen consoles released by Nintendo's competitors will be expensive as all hell.

you could argue that that was because of the known, loved franchises like mario being on that... thing, and the gimmick of the wiimote was something to draw soccer moms and little kiddies in.ive played a wii, and have played every big release at a friends house, and there is nothing that console does that the xbox or playstation dosent do better.

 

[Treblaine]

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Yeah, I don't really care.

I'm just saying. You cannot say "the console cannot do AA at 1080P", that's bullshit. It can do it, I don't care if it is just for Pong. That's what takes credibility from the source. And I am well aware of the tricks they used for Wipeout and the like.

Well if it was a credible source it wouldn't be as banal as saying "yeah it can do 1080p and 8xAA, but only with pong" it is talking about that resolution with at least the current standards of graphic fidelity.

But if this subject is exhausting you it's draining me. Having to explain the same things over and over again and still some people (even the same person) then asks the same thing I just refuted as if it's a "gotcha" question.

Well I'm fed up. Nintendo got undeserved credit for taking on PS3 and 360 as if it had a better product... when all it had was a cheaper one that was competing more with PS2 by its temporal price point and capability.

You base all of your speculations about the Wii U on an anonymous source. I don't see why I should trust that source over the Gearbox developers or Epic Games, who both made the claim that the Wii U is much more powerful then the current generation of consoles.

What you have is some hearsay and one comment from Nintendo that can be interpreted in a number of way. As I said before, that doesn't sell it to me.

Yeah, the same anonymous source as you. I just look at the source a bit more critically rather than jumping to IGN's wildest speculation from the scant that was leaked. Yes, they are speculating to conclude a HD4800 graphics chip - the most powerful and most expensive - of the R7xx technology series.

Randy of Gearbox only said "it's next gen", realise when Ubisoft developed for Wii they said that was current gen. Wii set the precedent that "next gen" can have NOTHING to do with graphical capability, it's possible if not expected that Nintendo would lean on developers to publicly name the WiiU as next-gen simply because it is a successor to Wii that was named "current gen" simply because it came after Gamecube that was "previous gen". This makes the whole "generation" pointless... when we are talking with Nintendo at least who speaks out of both sides of their mouth.

An anonymous source can be more reliable as they aren't afraid of Nintendo blacklisting them for letting the cat out of the bag. Nintendo have been insistent that WiiU should be a next-gen system. Hearsay is "he said she said" I have given the actual source, not just "I heard somewhere someone say this".

Lets look more closely that this supposed "hearsay".

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say

Gamesindustry.biz is no rinky dink fly by night news site, they are reputable. They are not going to talk to someone who has not worked on a WiiU console nor make up an account. A journalist protecting Anonymity of their sources (plural, not one dissenter) doesn't mean they could be ANY old punter off the street. And these claims are hardly contradicted by the graphical power yet demonstrated.

 

[Davroth]

Yeah, the same anonymous source as you. I just look at the source a bit more critically rather than jumping to IGN's wildest speculation from the scant that was leaked. Yes, they are speculating to conclude a HD4800 graphics chip - the most powerful and most expensive - of the R7xx technology series.

Randy of Gearbox only said "it's next gen", realise when Ubisoft developed for Wii they said that was current gen. Wii set the precedent that "next gen" can have NOTHING to do with graphical capability, it's possible if not expected that Nintendo would lean on developers to publicly name the WiiU as next-gen simply because it is a successor to Wii that was named "current gen" simply because it came after Gamecube that was "previous gen". This makes the whole "generation" pointless... when we are talking with Nintendo at least who speaks out of both sides of their mouth.

An anonymous source can be more reliable as they aren't afraid of Nintendo blacklisting them for letting the cat out of the bag. Nintendo have been insistent that WiiU should be a next-gen system. Hearsay is "he said she said" I have given the actual source, not just "I heard somewhere someone say this".

Lets look more closely that this supposed "hearsay".

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say

Gamesindustry.biz is no rinky dink fly by night news site, they are reputable. They are not going to talk to someone who has not worked on a WiiU console nor make up an account. A journalist protecting Anonymity of their sources (plural, not one dissenter) doesn't mean they could be ANY old punter off the street. And these claims are hardly contradicted by the graphical power yet demonstrated.

They could use 4 year old middle of the road PC components and build their system from that and it would still be more powerful then the PS3 and Xbox360. What you are saying (and by extension what this article is saying) makes no sense. And speaking of anonymity, that blade cuts both ways. I might as well accuse those anonymous developers of just being incredibly biased against Nintendo as a company to a point that they didn't even try to see what the limits of the dev kit is.

I might as well.

Randy Pitchford also said clearly: "The best-looking version of Aliens Colonial Marines is going to be on the Wii U". In that very interview. Are you telling me he's lying because Nintendo told him so? Seriously?

But you seem very insistent, and if you trust "anonymous developer" more then those who put their name and reputation on the line with their statements, I can't help you.

 

[aeroblaster]

This thread is hilarious.

I'm bookmarking it and will bump it in a years time. This smacks of "PSP is going to destroy the DS, the DS is going to fail" and "the 3DS will fail this time, Nintendo has no hope" and "the wii? Thats a stupid name, nintendo is stale and will fail".


LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Hahaha same here man. I'm LOL'ing so hard right now.

That's what they said about the Wii, which was a casual piece of crap that has sold 95.85 million units so far. Now imagine the Wii U, an actual hardcore Nintendo console.

Yeah... it's definitely not gonna flop. That thing will print money for Nintendo. X)

 

[him over there]

This thread is hilarious.

I'm bookmarking it and will bump it in a years time. This smacks of "PSP is going to destroy the DS, the DS is going to fail" and "the 3DS will fail this time, Nintendo has no hope" and "the wii? Thats a stupid name, nintendo is stale and will fail".


LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Hahaha same here man. I'm LOL'ing so hard right now.

That's what they said about the Wii, which was a casual piece of crap that has sold 95.85 million units so far. Now imagine the Wii U, an actual hardcore Nintendo console.

Yeah... it's definitely not gonna flop. That thing will print money for Nintendo. X)

Let's not forget that this whole thread works on the assumption that the competition's consoles which won't be out for like 2 years minimum are going to be huge leaps which would require the continued practice of selling at a loss and making it back on games. A practice which was flimsy back before the recession that I can't imagine them doing again at this point.

I think the biggest thing though is that the wii was for many little kids their only console since there are barely any kid friendly games for 360 and PS3 which let Nintendo estsblish a whole new generation of brand identifying kids. People say Nintendo betrayed their fans, I think they're just making some new ones.

But you seem very insistent, and if you trust "anonymous developer" more then those who put their name and reputation on the line with their statements, I can't help you.

I think you should look at this quote.

Well I'm fed up. Nintendo got undeserved credit for taking on PS3 and 360 as if it had a better product... when all it had was a cheaper one that was competing more with PS2 by its temporal price point and capability.

I think he is taking it personally because the big powerful consoles couldn't overtake the Wii and that somehow affects him. It's not just speculation, it's personal

Oh god that quote reeked of "objective quality guys". YEah, Nintendo deserves no credit at all for having the best selling system of this generation. Nevermind their ingenious marketing, their unique niche, amazing first party line up or innovation and experimentation, the fact that it was less powerful means it was horible and they should be spat at instead of praised.

 

[Treblaine]

Yeah, the same anonymous source as you. I just look at the source a bit more critically rather than jumping to IGN's wildest speculation from the scant that was leaked. Yes, they are speculating to conclude a HD4800 graphics chip - the most powerful and most expensive - of the R7xx technology series.

Randy of Gearbox only said "it's next gen", realise when Ubisoft developed for Wii they said that was current gen. Wii set the precedent that "next gen" can have NOTHING to do with graphical capability, it's possible if not expected that Nintendo would lean on developers to publicly name the WiiU as next-gen simply because it is a successor to Wii that was named "current gen" simply because it came after Gamecube that was "previous gen". This makes the whole "generation" pointless... when we are talking with Nintendo at least who speaks out of both sides of their mouth.

An anonymous source can be more reliable as they aren't afraid of Nintendo blacklisting them for letting the cat out of the bag. Nintendo have been insistent that WiiU should be a next-gen system. Hearsay is "he said she said" I have given the actual source, not just "I heard somewhere someone say this".

Lets look more closely that this supposed "hearsay".

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say

Gamesindustry.biz is no rinky dink fly by night news site, they are reputable. They are not going to talk to someone who has not worked on a WiiU console nor make up an account. A journalist protecting Anonymity of their sources (plural, not one dissenter) doesn't mean they could be ANY old punter off the street. And these claims are hardly contradicted by the graphical power yet demonstrated.

They could use 4 year old middle of the road PC components and build their system from that and it would still be more powerful then the PS3 and Xbox360. What you are saying (and by extension what this article is saying) makes no sense. And speaking of anonymity, that blade cuts both ways. I might as well accuse those anonymous developers of just being incredibly biased against Nintendo as a company to a point that they didn't even try to see what the limits of the dev kit is.

I might as well.

Randy Pitchford also said clearly: "The best-looking version of Aliens Colonial Marines is going to be on the Wii U". In that very interview. Are you telling me he's lying because Nintendo told him so? Seriously?

But you seem very insistent, and if you trust "anonymous developer" more then those who put their name and reputation on the line with their statements, I can't help you.

Did you read the article? The costs associated with a miniature LCD touchscreen and tech for wireless HD video streaming cuts into the budget for CPU and GPU that Nintendo can't even get equivalent of midrange PC parts or 2007! It does make sense, if you read the article.

Look realise how this anonymity works, WE (you and me) don't know who this source is, but gamesindustrybiz DOES KNOW! They vouch that they are who they say they are, I mean do you not know how reputable journalism works?!?

They can't be that biased against Nintendo, they are developing a game for a Nintendo console and gamesindustrybiz wouldn't interview them otherwise. This is utterly spurious, you cannot take "anonymous but vouched for by reputable journalists" as "I can make up any shit I like about them and get away with it".

What you are talking about is a conspiracy theory, that people would deliberately misrepresent the WiiU because... err... console wars?!?

Randy is careful with his words, he didn't say the WiiU would have a graphical leap in graphics equivalent from between PS2 to PS3. No. He just said WiiU would have the best could just be by a fractional amount even because the WiiU is the lead platform. Like how Xbox 360 is the best console version of most games just because it is the lead platform. It wouldn't be the first time a publisher has embellished something to please their paymasters.

You've totally ignored the part about Nintendo blacklisting developers from early access if they let the cat out the bag. That mean putting your name and face on a statement is a liability NOT to tell the whole story!

I trust gamesindustrybiz. Do NOT act like I am just trusting some totally random source with no vouching at all.

 

[Treblaine]

Oh god that quote reeked of "objective quality guys". YEah, Nintendo deserves no credit at all for having the best selling system of this generation.

Yes it doesn't deserve credit for having the best selling console of this generation. Because it's not a console of this generation by any meaningful definition. PS2 sold well post 2005, and ended up selling a further 50 million units, topping out at 150 million units sold, still not the victor of the 7th generation.

The Atari Jaguar claimed to be a 5th gen console. This was bullshit. Same with the Wii claiming to be 7th gen. It's just many people don't seem to understand that.

Wii is an overclocked gamecube, no more powerful than the Original Xbox, with new controllers (just like Kinect or PS Move). That doesn't make it 7th gen. Deal with it.

It did not compete with 7th gen consoles. No one asked themselves:
"Hmm, I really love Arkham Asylum/Modern-warfare-3/GTA4/Red-Dead-Redemption but should I get it on Wii or Xbox 360?"

Because none of those games ever came close to getting a Wii release. The few cross-platform games between Wii and 360 were utterly broken messes on Wii as such much had to be cut out and stripped down they weren't worth your time nor money.

Is WiiU pulling the same crap here? I think so. They might do well, only because they are good con-men selling old mutton as lamb.

 

[Treblaine]

But you seem very insistent, and if you trust "anonymous developer" more then those who put their name and reputation on the line with their statements, I can't help you.

I think you should look at this quote.

Well I'm fed up. Nintendo got undeserved credit for taking on PS3 and 360 as if it had a better product... when all it had was a cheaper one that was competing more with PS2 by its temporal price point and capability.

I think he is taking it personally because the big powerful consoles couldn't overtake the Wii and that somehow affects him. It's not just speculation, it's personal

No.

I don't have a problem when the cheap and relatively weak PS2 outsold the "big powerful" PS3 as it did for most of this generation. I wouldn't have a problem with the same situation with the Wii.

I have a problem with bullshit disingenuous self-congratulation on the part of Nintendo and its apologist fans, crediting Wii as taking on the 360 and PS3 when Wii was de-facto a 6th gen system that kept on selling into the 7th gen, JUST like the Playstation 2. Wii didn't win this generation. It's a Gamecube 1.5 by any useful definition, where it sold less than the Playstation 2 overall.

No one ever looked at any these games:
-Red Dead Redemption
-Modern Warfare 2
-Bioshock
-Assassin's Creed Series
-Grand Theft Auto 4
-Dead Space Series
-Saints Row series
-Fallout 3
-Skyrim
-Resident Evil 5
-Batman: Arkham Asylum/City
-Left 4 Dead
-Mass Effect trilogy
-Portal 2
-Crysis 2
-Deus Ex Human Revolution
-Max Payne 3

And thought "I'll get the Wii version" or "I'll get a Wii to play those" without being a complete fool.

As to spite being multiplatform they were never even close to getting released on the Wii due to the HUGE lack in rendering and processing capability that was generational. Yet those are the games that DEFINED this console generation!

It's utterly FARCICAL to say Wii won this generation when none of the highest selling and most lauded multiplatform games of this generation could even be played on the system.

Bottom Line: This isn't personal, this is principal. The Wii WAS a success, and DESERVES credit, but credit as a 6th generation console. Not as a 7th generation console, NOT as a peer of the Xbox 360 or PS3, as it would be utterly disingenuous to say the Wii is such a peer just because it sold at the same time.[/i]

 

[Treblaine]

This thread is hilarious.

I'm bookmarking it and will bump it in a years time. This smacks of "PSP is going to destroy the DS, the DS is going to fail" and "the 3DS will fail this time, Nintendo has no hope" and "the wii? Thats a stupid name, nintendo is stale and will fail".


LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Hahaha same here man. I'm LOL'ing so hard right now.

That's what they said about the Wii, which was a casual piece of crap that has sold 95.85 million units so far. Now imagine the Wii U, an actual hardcore Nintendo console.

Yeah... it's definitely not gonna flop. That thing will print money for Nintendo. X)

Yeah Wii was casual and crap... but it was cheap and had an intuitive controller.

WiiU ain't going to be as cheap, not by half. Wii didn't do well because of its brand, You all act like it was inexplicable magic that Wii sold well and that the same magic must apply to the WiiU as 75% of the letters are the same though everything else is different:
-It's competing directly with Sony and Microsoft in target market and processing power
-It isn't going to be able to undercut them in price
-their table controller is not instantly intuitive in use like the Wii-mote was. It's a dual analogue tablet monstrosity, your grandma who got a Wii is NOT going to get a WiiU!

How is this "definitely not going to flop"?!? The only argument seem to be:

"Come on! It's a Wii! But better. I can't be bothered to stop and think how the Wii sold so if it's more powerful (but more expensive and less intuitive) then it must do better"

Wii sold because it was NOT hardcore. It was a jazzed up old 6th gen console with a new novel controller. Pile em high and sell em cheap. Big Mac burgers aren't the best burger in the world because they sell the most, at the lowest price, promising the least.

 

[Treblaine]

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But the Wii did win the 7th generation.

gen·er·a·tion

All of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively: "one of his generation's finest songwriters".
The average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, during which children grow up and have children of their own.

Aka, a period of time.


The Wii was released after the xbox 360 and hammered it into the dust as it did with the PS3. Hence "The wii won the 7th generation".

It's not that hard to grasp.

The Wii was not "born". It is not a person. You are using the biological definition of "generation". You cannot be dumb enough to think that definition is relevant. You are insulting my fundamental human intelligence.

The definition of Technological generation is only useful if it makes the distinction by broad capability and underlying technology. Like how first generation night-vision goggles needed an Infra-red lamp, but the generation after that needed only starlight, and the one after that didn't have the huge size and power consumption.

If I make a 1st generation Night vision goggles set in 2012, I can't put it on the market claiming to be 3rd generation just because "well I designed it after the date the first third generation NVG were made" This makes generations worthless. This means old crap can be piled high and sold cheap with the illusion of being "wow, they must have the best third generation goggles... wait, these are crap. Cheap. But crap"

 

[Davroth]

Yeah, the same anonymous source as you. I just look at the source a bit more critically rather than jumping to IGN's wildest speculation from the scant that was leaked. Yes, they are speculating to conclude a HD4800 graphics chip - the most powerful and most expensive - of the R7xx technology series.

Randy of Gearbox only said "it's next gen", realise when Ubisoft developed for Wii they said that was current gen. Wii set the precedent that "next gen" can have NOTHING to do with graphical capability, it's possible if not expected that Nintendo would lean on developers to publicly name the WiiU as next-gen simply because it is a successor to Wii that was named "current gen" simply because it came after Gamecube that was "previous gen". This makes the whole "generation" pointless... when we are talking with Nintendo at least who speaks out of both sides of their mouth.

An anonymous source can be more reliable as they aren't afraid of Nintendo blacklisting them for letting the cat out of the bag. Nintendo have been insistent that WiiU should be a next-gen system. Hearsay is "he said she said" I have given the actual source, not just "I heard somewhere someone say this".

Lets look more closely that this supposed "hearsay".

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say

Gamesindustry.biz is no rinky dink fly by night news site, they are reputable. They are not going to talk to someone who has not worked on a WiiU console nor make up an account. A journalist protecting Anonymity of their sources (plural, not one dissenter) doesn't mean they could be ANY old punter off the street. And these claims are hardly contradicted by the graphical power yet demonstrated.

They could use 4 year old middle of the road PC components and build their system from that and it would still be more powerful then the PS3 and Xbox360. What you are saying (and by extension what this article is saying) makes no sense. And speaking of anonymity, that blade cuts both ways. I might as well accuse those anonymous developers of just being incredibly biased against Nintendo as a company to a point that they didn't even try to see what the limits of the dev kit is.

I might as well.

Randy Pitchford also said clearly: "The best-looking version of Aliens Colonial Marines is going to be on the Wii U". In that very interview. Are you telling me he's lying because Nintendo told him so? Seriously?

But you seem very insistent, and if you trust "anonymous developer" more then those who put their name and reputation on the line with their statements, I can't help you.

Did you read the article? The costs associated with a miniature LCD touchscreen and tech for wireless HD video streaming cuts into the budget for CPU and GPU that Nintendo can't even get equivalent of midrange PC parts or 2007! It does make sense, if you read the article.

Look realise how this anonymity works, WE (you and me) don't know who this source is, but gamesindustrybiz DOES KNOW! They vouch that they are who they say they are, I mean do you not know how reputable journalism works?!?

They can't be that biased against Nintendo, they are developing a game for a Nintendo console and gamesindustrybiz wouldn't interview them otherwise. This is utterly spurious, you cannot take "anonymous but vouched for by reputable journalists" as "I can make up any shit I like about them and get away with it".

What you are talking about is a conspiracy theory, that people would deliberately misrepresent the WiiU because... err... console wars?!?

Randy is careful with his words, he didn't say the WiiU would have a graphical leap in graphics equivalent from between PS2 to PS3. No. He just said WiiU would have the best could just be by a fractional amount even because the WiiU is the lead platform. Like how Xbox 360 is the best console version of most games just because it is the lead platform. It wouldn't be the first time a publisher has embellished something to please their paymasters.

You've totally ignored the part about Nintendo blacklisting developers from early access if they let the cat out the bag. That mean putting your name and face on a statement is a liability NOT to tell the whole story!

I trust gamesindustrybiz. Do NOT act like I am just trusting some totally random source with no vouching at all.

Soooo... Gearbox getting paid to paint Nintendo in an unrealistically positive light (from your persepective), that's no conspiracy theory. Obviously.

They can't be biased because they make games for them? Are you serious? You can't hate your boss? You are right, that's unheard of.

And the Wii U version isn't the lead platform version. Development started before the Wii U was even on the horizon, not to mention that the Xbox360 and PS3 versions apparently will ship before the Wii U version. So much for that theory.

It does not make sense from a business standpoint. Nintendo officials like Reggie Fils-Amie have stated again and again that their aim is to offer a platform where all the great third party content can come to without bastardizing it like with ports to the Wii. Are you telling me they are that short sighted that they don't see that once a new console generation rolls around one year later they are back were they started?

See, what you are saying, and that article, is that Nintendo is stupid, and that they make stupid decisions that defy logic and good business sense. They took a bold risk with the Wii, and and worked out for them, but it was a huge slap in the face for third party developer, no matter how you turn it. But it was what they thought was their best option at the time. Developers shit all over the Wii in the last few years, most of them not even trying to make good games for the system, even though first party developers showed that there were lots of possibilities to make great games in those limitations. I don't expect more then a token effort from them right away, much less any positivity about the Wii U.

Can you explain me why Epic, who is about as hardcore as they get, praises the Wii U, and denies claims that Unreal Engine 4 wont be coming to the Wii U? See, there is one really easy reason why they haven't given us the numbers yet. They might still be subject to change. It's Nintendo's expressed target not to be left in the dust. Launching a Xbox light with a free iPad makes no sense in that regard.

But really, I can say all I want, that article is gospel to you, so obviously everything I can bring to you can only be shallow lies. Now that I know, I'll just stop. We will see who's in denial soon enough.

 

[dragongit]

Well if it was a credible source it wouldn't be as banal as saying "yeah it can do 1080p and 8xAA, but only with pong" it is talking about that resolution with at least the current standards of graphic fidelity.

But if this subject is exhausting you it's draining me. Having to explain the same things over and over again and still some people (even the same person) then asks the same thing I just refuted as if it's a "gotcha" question.

Well I'm fed up. Nintendo got undeserved credit for taking on PS3 and 360 as if it had a better product... when all it had was a cheaper one that was competing more with PS2 by its temporal price point and capability.

Look at tech specs for every other console. They never mention anything like that, only the output resolution.

I'm not tired of this, I have just stopped caring. I mean, someone (I won't use the word I am thinking of) thinks the PS4 will have a 7970 in it despite the quoted power in GFLOPS being less than half of the 7970 and lower than the 7850. Never mind the fact that having a 7970 would mean a huge pricetag or a late 2014 release date and it would massive power and heat issues.

Wait for actual tech specs.

Though, I am feeling in a generous mood so I'll give you some ammo just to keep you arguing with people. (You can enlarge the image)

You could argue PS3 has the edge here. This must means so much! Go wild.

Yeesh... that new Batman look... not so keen on it. I know it's suppose to be some sort of new armor, but he looks more like a plastic action figure then a guy in a costume.

 

[V8 Ninja]

From a technical standpoint, yes; the Wii U will be/is (most likely) outdated. However, from a practical standpoint, it can be argued that the Wii U is still relevant. One of the problems that the games industry is facing right now is that development costs are absolutely ridiculous; either games are a big hit (Call Of Duty, Uncharted, Halo, etc.) or they are a colossal failure that sinks their respective studios (Eat Sleep Play with Twisted Metal, 38 Studios with Amular, Realtime Worlds with APB). A new graphics standard would most likely just sink more and more studios while putting more and more pressure onto developers to change their games so that they achieve mass appeal.