Wii U to be quickly outdated?

[CorruptCor3]

Wii U is a dumb idea and it will be overtaken by the old Wii within a year.

 

[him over there]

1)...So you're assuming that Microsoft gets 100% of the money from retail sales. All $150.
And this somehow results in 2.5 billion in revenue for them...

NO.

2)Many Kinects are being sold as package/bundle deals regardless of whether they are being used or not. Actual usage numbers are impossible to ascertain, but I will say that I'm not buying for a minute that even half of them are being used right now. I'd be putting 20% at "very generously optimistic".

Nobody I know who even owns a Kinect uses it anymore. Apart from Dancing games, there aren't many acclaimed (or even good) games for it.

3) 2010 was the end of the healthy years for Wii sales (of ANYTHING, including units and games).
The Wii sales started spiraling downward right around Christmas 2010, and they never recovered. Nintendo posted LOSSES for most of 2011, and seeing how they are nothing BUT gaming company (unlike Sony, whose losses came from poor electronics sales) I can assume that meant the Wii fell out very very BADLY.

Which is exactly my point. Once the party was over, there was nothing left but a hangover.
Sony and Microsoft's markets continued to do much well in comparison, but it certainly wasn't because of the Move or Kinect.

Do you not remember a few other factors of 2011?

I'll point them out for you

#1 A strong yen which lost them a shit-ton of cash
#2 The 3DS price cut that made them sell at a loss

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16737858

Isn't part of the reason the wii began to fall out the fact that essentially everybody had one? eventually you get to a point where you can't sell a product simply because of saturation.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Do you not remember a few other factors of 2011?

I'll point them out for you

#1 A strong yen which lost them a shit-ton of cash
#2 The 3DS price cut that made them sell at a loss

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16737858

And this has WHAT to do with your original refutation? In regards to your original response, all I see is a pair of Strawmen.

What you're showing me here proves that Nintendo's domestic sales tanked as badly as we've come to expect. (Japan is a major market for Nintendo; they lead Sony for a while. Sales made there are immune to currency-exchange).

So unless you're just here to swap trade-trivia with me, get to point, please.

 

[him over there]

Isn't part of the reason the wii began to fall out the fact that essentially everybody had one? eventually you get to a point where you can't sell a product simply because of saturation.

The PS2 would say otherwise.

Damn that console sold well, it had everything going for it in that gen.

Fair enough, though didn't the PS2 sell a lot over a long period of time as opposed to the wii which had a huge boon so there weren't a lot of people without one to buy it two years down the road? though that may be a fault in itself.

 

[him over there]

I don't hold Epic with a lot of credibility. They took a great studio like People Can Fly who made Painkiller and dumbed them down to making crap like Bulletstorm.

You mustn't hold many developers with much credibility after this gen.

Wait, he holds a developers credibility on technical hardware in question because of their partnership and game design practices? That doesn't seem smart.

 

[eternal-chaplain]

I believe it was announced that the WiiU had been in development for about as long as the Wii has been available, which means it was supposed to be a really big deal and everyone at Nintendo thought so too. However one can clearly see that, now, the 3DS has become the focus of their efforts, so these next few years are going to be riding on handheld games for Nintendo, not the WiiU.

 

[him over there]

I don't hold Epic with a lot of credibility. They took a great studio like People Can Fly who made Painkiller and dumbed them down to making crap like Bulletstorm.

You mustn't hold many developers with much credibility after this gen.

Wait, he holds a developers credibility on technical hardware in question because of their partnership and game design practices? That doesn't seem smart.

Well my point was that this whole gen has been rife with "dumbing down", but I digress.

Your point is valid, game design choices have no bearing on evaluating the power of the Wii U. In fact, the very fact that they design the Unreal Engine (one of the most used engines in the industry) should mean that their opinion is more credible.

Exactly what I was getting at. Also isn't Epic one of the most experienced studios with consoles because they were a microsoft exclusive studio?

 

[Treblaine]

So you are saying that simply because it was on par with the PS2 it was a scam because it wasn't next gen, despite the fact that generations aren't defined by hardware?

I'll retract the term "scam" because although accurate is a bit to harsh, it implies criminality though not essential.

No, it is a "rip off" because it implied capability and worth it didn't have by design, but rather by simply WHEN it was released.

I'll admit it's not the worst scam in the world, but it's still hugely disingenuous for Wii to act like it's a new and modern system when it isn't. It is secretly an overclocked gamecube from the previous generation. It is leeching off the reputation of PS3 and 360 that are well established 7th gen consoles. PS3 and 360 tout games like Arkham Asylum, Red Dead Redemption and Battlefield 3, NONE of which are on the Wii.

And the Wii has games like Xenoblade Chronicles which isn't on any other platform, your point?

My point is it is totally impractical if not completely impossible to port Red Dead Redemption.

Xenoblades isn't ported to 360 simply because the Publishers aren't interested. Remember it took a massive petition and long delays to get that game released on Wii in the United States. No More Heroes got a port to 360 and PS3. Xenoblades might have been Wii developed as it has largest install base in Japan and is very low cost to develop for (who needs detailed textures!).

I have already posted a long list of multiplatform games that defines this console generation that are not on the Wii.

You don't have to own just one console.

Then what is your issue with the Wii?

People can just get the Wii (and WiiU) and play on PC for multiplatform games (and its exclusives) to get the widest range of gaming experiences at the least cost (PC is cheaper, we have been through this).

Seems like win-win to me, who needs the other consoles. Amirite guize?

(1)My problem is Nintendo is still ripping people off
(2)and it getting undeserved credit for "beating the big consoles".

The Wii shouldn't have released for $250, only $50 less than the FAR more ambitious Xbox 360. Even today, what it charges is not worth what it delivers. Wii has some very good games, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and Skyward Sword... but that's about it. Third party offerings are kaput (especially since the flood of lightgun games to PS Move for lower price in HD). I know wii is cheap even now, but it's not worth even that much. I love my gamecube that I bought for a fair price, but Wii is taking the piss.

And I'm really insistent that is is erroneous to define Wii as a 7th generation console, especially if you have it "beating" PS3 and 360 when Wii can't play such a huge proportion of the best selling and most highly acclaimed games of this generation. That only makes sense if you put it in the same category as the PS2 which did keep selling and got some good new games and the occasional very low quality port.

 

[Treblaine]

Exactly what I was getting at. Also isn't Epic one of the most experienced studios with consoles because they were a microsoft exclusive studio?

Nope. Only Gears of War is exclusive. Epic made many other non-Gears games that were multiplatform.

 

[him over there]

Exactly what I was getting at. Also isn't Epic one of the most experienced studios with consoles because they were a microsoft exclusive studio?

Nope. Only Gears of War is exclusive. Epic made many other non-Gears games that were multiplatform.

Thanks, I had completely forgotten Bullet Storm. Guess I'm letting Gears define them.

 

[Davroth]

Soooo... Gearbox getting paid to paint Nintendo in an unrealistically positive light (from your persepective), that's no conspiracy theory. Obviously.

They can't be biased because they make games for them? Are you serious? You can't hate your boss? You are right, that's unheard of.

And the Wii U version isn't the lead platform version. Development started before the Wii U was even on the horizon, not to mention that the Xbox360 and PS3 versions apparently will ship before the Wii U version. So much for that theory.

It does not make sense from a business standpoint. Nintendo officials like Reggie Fils-Amie have stated again and again that their aim is to offer a platform where all the great third party content can come to without bastardizing it like with ports to the Wii. Are you telling me they are that short sighted that they don't see that once a new console generation rolls around one year later they are back were they started?

See, what you are saying, and that article, is that Nintendo is stupid, and that they make stupid decisions that defy logic and good business sense. They took a bold risk with the Wii, and and worked out for them, but it was a huge slap in the face for third party developer, no matter how you turn it. But it was what they thought was their best option at the time. Developers shit all over the Wii in the last few years, most of them not even trying to make good games for the system, even though first party developers showed that there were lots of possibilities to make great games in those limitations. I don't expect more then a token effort from them right away, much less any positivity about the Wii U.

Can you explain me why Epic, who is about as hardcore as they get, praises the Wii U, and denies claims that Unreal Engine 4 wont be coming to the Wii U? See, there is one really easy reason why they haven't given us the numbers yet. They might still be subject to change. It's Nintendo's expressed target not to be left in the dust. Launching a Xbox light with a free iPad makes no sense in that regard.

But really, I can say all I want, that article is gospel to you, so obviously everything I can bring to you can only be shallow lies. Now that I know, I'll just stop. We will see who's in denial soon enough.

It's not conspiracy it's convenience. You think it's a conspiracy or convenience that guests on talk shows always manage to name drop their new book or their new album?

Why would they hate their boss? Nintendo giving them work, if they have wronged them then you blab about how they wronged you, you tell reporters "ooh Nintendo make us work terrible hours and don't pay us overtime". Not make shit up that will come back to bite them in the ass.

I merely suggested it might be lead platform... but if they are going to take several months longer developing the WiiU version, that might contribute greatly to it being the best console version.

I think Nintendo are that short sighted. They were with the Wii. I think they are totally banking on a load of people swallowing hook line and sinker that this is "next gen hardware" when it isn't. That and hope the Next-Playstation and Next-Xbox are many years away. I think Nintendo is depending on everyone else being stupid.

I don't hold Epic with a lot of credibility. They took a great studio like People Can Fly who made Painkiller and dumbed them down to making crap like Bulletstorm. Of course Unreal Engine 4 will be for WiiU. And Windows PC, and for MacOS possibly, any system that could take it, engines aren't THAT specific, one you are juggling three different operating systems, a 4th or 5th is easy as to make it work 3 ways you have to make it work every way.

"that article is gospel to you"

Petty comments like this that sindely imply blind and dogmatic faith don't endear yourself.

I don't have to endear myself. And it is you who is telling me that I should trust this article over everything else.

It's convenience to tell an outright lie you can called out on in a few month? And under your own, well known and reasonably respected name no less? Doesn't sound very convenient to me.

Why would they hate Nintendo? Because Nintendo used to be a very, very demanding company that asked a lot from their third party developers (and as I said before, the Wii made cross platform releases impossible without considerable effort, which didn't happen) and more importantly, a company that could always rest easy on their own IPs, because those always sold well no matter what. Look at developer interviews from the high times of the Wii. They are less the charming.

And how will it bite them in the ass? They are protected by their anonymity.

As for Alien Colonial Marines.. you can't be serious. You are telling me that a few month more development time is enough to make a triple A game look better on inferior hardware? How does that make sense?

Nintendo Wii: amazing financial success. Nintendo DS: Amazing financial success and widespread support. Nintendo 3DS: Really too soon to tell. But the price drop seems to work fine. Only time will tell.

So, you look at how successful Nintendo has been since 2006, and your conclusion is that they make dumb business decisions. I don't understand how you come to that conclusion. And just because they had a crummy business year for the first time in years doesn't mean they lost their business sense all of the sudden.

And you do realize that engines have certain minimum specs, and that they made it clear that the Unreal Engine 4 wont be running on Xbox 360 and PS3. So if that's the truth, that would mean the Wii U in fact is more powerful then those two, and by a considerable margin.

 

[Atmos Duality]

My point is that it wasn't simply Wii sales that caused a loss seeing as 10,000,000 in a year is still healthy. It was the currency and 3DS losses that resulted in their first loss, ever.

And shitty domestic game sales.

Sony are in an insane amount of debt, what's you point?

Incidentally, their gaming division isn't. They're the only ones in the black last I checked.
But it certainly isn't because of the Move. ^_^

 

[IamGamer41]

Soooooo.... You all really care that much about graphics? Haha don't play Xenoblade then.

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

Whats the point of having a home console with a tablet controller tied to it when I can just get a tablet ? Its a lame ass gimmick just like kentic and motion.It forces developer to shoehorn in crap to their games just for the controllers sake.Nintendo should be working on better things then fancy controllers,like coming up with new Ips or ideas for their old ones because the formula has been used to death with them.

 

[Atmos Duality]

#1 Yeah, true. There isn't much going for the 3DS right now. I might get Kid Icarus but that's all that's out that I may get. Other than that there is nothing I'm interested in until heavy hitters come out like Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing and hopefully a sequel to RE Revelations.

#2 True, Move was a bit of a flop.

Though this is going a bit off topic, will anyone really care in a 13 page monstrosity?

I have Kid Icarus, and really, it's undersold in criticism. The multiplayer is quite intense, though the controls are plain awkward (quite functional once you the hang of it, but it took me a while).

Fire Emblem is the only game I'm looking forward to on the 3DS, and ironically, I wouldn't have been remotely interested in Fire Emblem if not for the 3DS. See, the Ambassador Games list includes The Sacred Stones, and holy crap was that game good. I owned Advance Wars, and knew of Fire Emblem, but since most of the games weren't actually ported to the states, I didn't much care about it.

So, after I beat Sacred Stones, I went back and looked up the Fire Emblem catalog, found Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. The latter of which is easily my second favorite game on the Wii, right after Metroid Prime 3. (and so I found three Wii games I really like in 4 years of owning one)

 

[ultramarine486]

It's not ripping people off. Consumers chose to buy it with the specs sheets freely available, clearly consumers were happy with what they are paying for.

Are they though? Can you prove the claim that they're happy with their purchase over the other claim that people bought a Wii and then let it gather dust after the first year?

 

[him over there]

It's not ripping people off. Consumers chose to buy it with the specs sheets freely available, clearly consumers were happy with what they are paying for.

Are they though? Can you prove the claim that they're happy with their purchase over the other claim that people bought a Wii and then let it gather dust after the first year?

Buying something because it is appealing and then finding out you don't like it later is hardly a scam and not Nintendo's fault.

 

[ultramarine486]

It's not ripping people off. Consumers chose to buy it with the specs sheets freely available, clearly consumers were happy with what they are paying for.

Are they though? Can you prove the claim that they're happy with their purchase over the other claim that people bought a Wii and then let it gather dust after the first year?

I said they were happy with what they were paying for. I didn't say that they may get tired of it, just that they were happy to pay to get it.

The question I was asking wasn't the end result of their purchase but can you actually speak for every single owner of a Wii and say without a doubt that they are in fact happy with their purchase.

 

[Treblaine]

I don't have to endear myself. And it is you who is telling me that I should trust this article over everything else.

It's convenience to tell an outright lie you can called out on in a few month? And under your own, well known and reasonably respected name no less? Doesn't sound very convenient to me.

Why would they hate Nintendo? Because Nintendo used to be a very, very demanding company that asked a lot from their third party developers (and as I said before, the Wii made cross platform releases impossible without considerable effort, which didn't happen) and more importantly, a company that could always rest easy on their own IPs, because those always sold well no matter what. Look at developer interviews from the high times of the Wii. They are less the charming.

And how will it bite them in the ass? They are protected by their anonymity.

As for Alien Colonial Marines.. you can't be serious. You are telling me that a few month more development time is enough to make a triple A game look better on inferior hardware? How does that make sense?

Nintendo Wii: amazing financial success. Nintendo DS: Amazing financial success and widespread support. Nintendo 3DS: Really too soon to tell. But the price drop seems to work fine. Only time will tell.

So, you look at how successful Nintendo has been since 2006, and your conclusion is that they make dumb business decisions. I don't understand how you come to that conclusion. And just because they had a crummy business year for the first time in years doesn't mean they lost their business sense all of the sudden.

And you do realize that engines have certain minimum specs, and that they made it clear that the Unreal Engine 4 wont be running on Xbox 360 and PS3. So if that's the truth, that would mean the Wii U in fact is more powerful then those two, and by a considerable margin.

I made it clear, nothing Randy said contradicted the anonymous source that this was an underpowered system. All he said was next-generation, which after Wii is established can mean dick all of hardware capability. And the WiiU version will apparently be in development for longer.

What you say about Nintendo is true, but no rationale for two independent developers to tell corroborating lies to gamesindustrybiz and not complain about those GENUINE issues. Yes, look at the interviews at high times of the Wii, when they are mad they say what they are mad about, not lie about the console saying it is bad where it isn't.

"And how will it bite them in the ass? They are protected by their anonymity."

When the journalist find out they've been lied to they won't. They don't like being lied to, they'll publish or just send a letter to Nintendo saying exactly who said this shit.

PS3 is on paper superior hardware, but it is well established how more development time you can get better performance out of the 360. Compare PS3 and 360 versions of Bayonetta.

You've got a short memory. Gamecube hugely underperformed as did Gameboy Advance. There have been changes in Nintendo heirarchy if I am not mistaken and they are known for taking unusual risks.

No what they are doing is NOT dumb. They could very easily rip off millions of people as long as they put on their rose-tinted glasses and buy into any small advantage the WiiU has. But only if everyone if a lot of people buy into hyoe and get something crap, but that wouldn't happen in this industry:

Oh wait, no. If you can get 20+ million people to buy into CoD you can get similar numbers to buy into an overpriced 360 clone (Wii U)

"And you do realize that engines have certain minimum specs, and that they made it clear that the Unreal Engine 4 wont be running on Xbox 360 and PS3."

Got a source on this. Because that sounds wrong.

 

[ultramarine486]

It's not ripping people off. Consumers chose to buy it with the specs sheets freely available, clearly consumers were happy with what they are paying for.

Are they though? Can you prove the claim that they're happy with their purchase over the other claim that people bought a Wii and then let it gather dust after the first year?

Buying something because it is appealing and then finding out you don't like it later is hardly a scam and not Nintendo's fault.

I never said it was a scam. I was just questioning the validity of saying everyone who bought a Wii was happy with their purchase.

 

[him over there]

It's not ripping people off. Consumers chose to buy it with the specs sheets freely available, clearly consumers were happy with what they are paying for.

Are they though? Can you prove the claim that they're happy with their purchase over the other claim that people bought a Wii and then let it gather dust after the first year?

Buying something because it is appealing and then finding out you don't like it later is hardly a scam and not Nintendo's fault.

I never said it was a scam. I was just questioning the validity of saying everyone who bought a Wii was happy with their purchase.

All right, I thought that since the argument in question came from the accusation of a scam you were siding with that accusation, my mistake. However while I think that many adults who got it as no more than a toy or a grandma with wii fit probably left it to gather dust most kids I know still love it to this day and are enamoured with Nintendo. Brand loyalty and all that.