This doesn't bother me as I'm not really interesting in streaming my successes, or more accurately, failures for all to see.
Wii U Won't Get Twitch Streaming Because It's "Not Fun," Says Nintendo
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Thats fine, not like steaming is an important part of gaming. To me, streaming is now an easy way for a person to make money while gaming. It takes no talent and no skill.
This doesn't affect me because I have yet to find a live streamer who isn't just awful to watch and the only time I used twitch was for the Nintendo Treehouse during e3.
But this has to be one of the most retarded explanations ever made. It's not fun? By whose standards? Your? I dislike twitch and it's not fun to me, but I don't have any saying in whether it's fun to someone else and apparently, lots of people like watching bad gamer playing bad games online so more power to them.
Nintendo get your shit together. You just won e3 and you make such a stupid statement. What the fuck?
But this has to be one of the most retarded explanations ever made. It's not fun? By whose standards? Your? I dislike twitch and it's not fun to me, but I don't have any saying in whether it's fun to someone else and apparently, lots of people like watching bad gamer playing bad games online so more power to them.
Nintendo get your shit together. You just won e3 and you make such a stupid statement. What the fuck?
Well here's my 2 cents on the matter:
For me, personally, I wouldn't need to have built in Twitch integration to stream any console. Before there were 2 main obstacles when it came to streaming. The first, you needed a capture card if you wanted to stream console games; this obstacle is still in the way when it comes to most console games except for the Xbox One, PS4, and PC games for the most part. The second, you had to buy the software that allows you to stream, and in this case that usually meant getting XSplit. However, things have changed a bit, as now Open Broadcaster has become good enough to where it can stream just as well as XSplit, and Open Broadcaster is also a free program. Most other free programs such as StreamEZ tend to bug out a lot, OBS has been fairly stable.
The other issue would be the actual RAM necessary to both stream a game, and not have the console suffer. This is something that the Wii U cannot feasibly do due to the amount of RAM necessary. The other issue is that the Wii U also doesn't have an internal capture card like the PS4 and Xbox One, so even attempting to do it would be stupid.
Now as long as Nintendo doesn't try blocking streams again, or enacting Draconian policies on Twitch like how they've been able to get away with on YouTube, then I'm fine. Hell I plan on streaming Super Mario Sunshine on Saturday because why not, it'd be fun. Which is something I also agree with Reggie on, just streaming the gameplay can be boring. However, it's not boring to everyone so I don't fully agree with him. Now while Reggie and Nintendo of America is fine with streaming, Nintendo of Japan at any time can suddenly sending DMCA claims to streamers for them to stop, without needing to consult the other studios. Nintendo of Japan and SEGA of Japan have done this numerous of times, with the American and European studios trying to see if they could get it reversed (not always successful in the case of SEGA).
My main thing is, Twitch integration for gameplay on the Wii U isn't necessary or feasible. One thing that would be good though is for Twitch and Nintendo to collaborate on an App for the Wii U, as Twitch and the Wii U's browser don't seem to get along too well. :/
P.S: While I half agree with Reggie, the other half of his statement is a stupid excuse, and many people won't like it because it makes Nintendo seem like they are the ones who decide what's fun and what isn't, instead of the person. Still not as bad as Sakurai's excuse for Subspace Emissary in Smash 4 though, that one was a terrible excuse.
For me, personally, I wouldn't need to have built in Twitch integration to stream any console. Before there were 2 main obstacles when it came to streaming. The first, you needed a capture card if you wanted to stream console games; this obstacle is still in the way when it comes to most console games except for the Xbox One, PS4, and PC games for the most part. The second, you had to buy the software that allows you to stream, and in this case that usually meant getting XSplit. However, things have changed a bit, as now Open Broadcaster has become good enough to where it can stream just as well as XSplit, and Open Broadcaster is also a free program. Most other free programs such as StreamEZ tend to bug out a lot, OBS has been fairly stable.
The other issue would be the actual RAM necessary to both stream a game, and not have the console suffer. This is something that the Wii U cannot feasibly do due to the amount of RAM necessary. The other issue is that the Wii U also doesn't have an internal capture card like the PS4 and Xbox One, so even attempting to do it would be stupid.
Now as long as Nintendo doesn't try blocking streams again, or enacting Draconian policies on Twitch like how they've been able to get away with on YouTube, then I'm fine. Hell I plan on streaming Super Mario Sunshine on Saturday because why not, it'd be fun. Which is something I also agree with Reggie on, just streaming the gameplay can be boring. However, it's not boring to everyone so I don't fully agree with him. Now while Reggie and Nintendo of America is fine with streaming, Nintendo of Japan at any time can suddenly sending DMCA claims to streamers for them to stop, without needing to consult the other studios. Nintendo of Japan and SEGA of Japan have done this numerous of times, with the American and European studios trying to see if they could get it reversed (not always successful in the case of SEGA).
My main thing is, Twitch integration for gameplay on the Wii U isn't necessary or feasible. One thing that would be good though is for Twitch and Nintendo to collaborate on an App for the Wii U, as Twitch and the Wii U's browser don't seem to get along too well. :/
P.S: While I half agree with Reggie, the other half of his statement is a stupid excuse, and many people won't like it because it makes Nintendo seem like they are the ones who decide what's fun and what isn't, instead of the person. Still not as bad as Sakurai's excuse for Subspace Emissary in Smash 4 though, that one was a terrible excuse.
I can see where Reggie is coming from, and agree that watching random gameplay with no commentary from some random guy as "not fun", at least for most people. There will always be people that enjoy such things, so I know why some would be displeased with this news.
Personally, it's the personalities of the Streamers that have me coming to see them. And anyone I'm watching personality-wise is a Youtuber who got the tech needed to stream, bypassing the issue with having on-console streaming.
I wouldn't mind having a Twitch streaming app on the Wii U though so I could watch streams without being stuck in front of my computer though, but it really isn't a priority for me.
For me, Games are the main point of buying a console. Everything else is just fluff, as convenient as a browser and Youtube and such are on my Wii U, it's still just fluff when there are Games to be played.
Personally, it's the personalities of the Streamers that have me coming to see them. And anyone I'm watching personality-wise is a Youtuber who got the tech needed to stream, bypassing the issue with having on-console streaming.
I wouldn't mind having a Twitch streaming app on the Wii U though so I could watch streams without being stuck in front of my computer though, but it really isn't a priority for me.
For me, Games are the main point of buying a console. Everything else is just fluff, as convenient as a browser and Youtube and such are on my Wii U, it's still just fluff when there are Games to be played.
Isn't it great that we have Nintendo to tell us what is and isn't fun?
And whilst there's going to be less attempts to ban youtubers, that's only because they're going to take the Youtuber's money now.
And whilst there's going to be less attempts to ban youtubers, that's only because they're going to take the Youtuber's money now.
They still issue content IDs even for people who don't monetize their videos. Maybe, some of us just don't want ads on our videos, and would like to keep complete control over what happens with the videos on our channels. >.>BrotherRool said:
Nintendo stops doing that, then I'll bring some of my Game Anyone Nintendo LPs to YouTube, until then they remain on other sites away from YouTube's automated BS algorithm.
The issue i have with this story is that all of the sites are running with the daily mail/fox news style headline rather than one that reflects the whole story (and even more people knee jerk based on reading said headline). Of course the headline comes from polygon, who have been very open with there opinions towards Nintendo, and even made up some interesting pie charts to show rubbish data at one point 
Reggie is part right here, it isn't fun to watch 30 minutes of just game-play from Joe Bloggs, hell if you look at the viewer numbers on the ps4/xbox one you are looking at numbers in the hundreds for the console broadcasted streams. However the people who do more than just play the game get more views, but they tend to use capture devices and stuff anyway so the in built streaming won't be useful to them.
Basically he says that they want to work with twitch as they can do good things, but do it in a way that is fun (and it wouldn't surprise me if they do something with twitch for Project Guard)
But the headline of "Reggie wants to do more with twitch" would get less clicks
Reggie is part right here, it isn't fun to watch 30 minutes of just game-play from Joe Bloggs, hell if you look at the viewer numbers on the ps4/xbox one you are looking at numbers in the hundreds for the console broadcasted streams. However the people who do more than just play the game get more views, but they tend to use capture devices and stuff anyway so the in built streaming won't be useful to them.
Basically he says that they want to work with twitch as they can do good things, but do it in a way that is fun (and it wouldn't surprise me if they do something with twitch for Project Guard)
But the headline of "Reggie wants to do more with twitch" would get less clicks
It's a shame he didn't continue to spin this towards saying that watching video games is better off of a console. If you want video game footage, go to Youtube where it is still fun.
It's the same as the excuse for why the Wii didn't have DVD playback. Everyone already has a DVD player, so why spend the money and time creating a redundant feature that no one really will use. Twitch on the WiiU is basically the same thing.
It's the same as the excuse for why the Wii didn't have DVD playback. Everyone already has a DVD player, so why spend the money and time creating a redundant feature that no one really will use. Twitch on the WiiU is basically the same thing.
Indeed, at least it's not a Kuchera article though; if it were him he'd be saying Nintendo needs to go 3rd party finally on top of it. Of course that was also before Nintendo showed off that avalanche at E3. I think we're going to have the naysayers stay quiet for awhile because to mouth off right now would come off as stupid.Milky1985 said:The issue i have with this story is that all of the sites are running with the daily mail/fox news style headline rather than the whole story (and even more people knee jerk based on reading said headline). Of course the headline comes from polygon, who have been very open with there opinions towards Nintendo, and even made up some interesting pie charts to show rubbish data at one point
Reggie is part right here, it isn't fun to watch 30 minutes of just game-play from Joe Bloggs, hell if you look at the viewer numbers on the ps4/xbox one you are looking at numbers in the hundreds for the console broadcasted streams. However the people who do viewer interaction and other things via capture cards get views in the thousands.
Basically he says that they want to work with twitch as they can do good things, but do it in a way that is fun (and it wouldn't surprise me if they do something with twitch for Project Guard)
But the headline of "Reggie wants to do more with twitch" would get less clicks
Somewhat bad analogy. The isolation era was the Edo period, and was relatively peaceful.Meinos Kaen said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edo_period
But Nintendo does tend to go off and do their own thing.
Anyway, can't say I'm bothered by this. I suppose it would be a neat feature for those who are into streaming.
Two things, Reggie:
1. If nobody wanted to watch Twitch streams, the service wouldn't be where it is today. When it was young, it was exactly what you're describing; no special events or anything like that, and it was quite popular even then.
2. The point of game streams isn't really pure gaming footage, though. Done right, it involves a microphone (Hey, the Wii U Gamepad has one built in!) or a headset (Hey, those are available for Wii U too!), maybe a camera (Gamepad's got one of those also), and a chatroom. It's about the stream's host interacting with the audience.
Trufacts: I watched a Mario Kart 8 stream [http://www.twitch.tv/geekcritique/] for about two hours the other day. Just a regular ol' Joe Blow and a couple of his friends playing, talking, and having a good time. Y'know why I stayed tuned in so long? Because the host of the stream was fun, and because they interacted regularly with the chat. But go ahead and ignore that this is actually succeeding, Reggie, and assume regardless that nobody wants it. Let's see how that works out for ya.
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1. If nobody wanted to watch Twitch streams, the service wouldn't be where it is today. When it was young, it was exactly what you're describing; no special events or anything like that, and it was quite popular even then.
2. The point of game streams isn't really pure gaming footage, though. Done right, it involves a microphone (Hey, the Wii U Gamepad has one built in!) or a headset (Hey, those are available for Wii U too!), maybe a camera (Gamepad's got one of those also), and a chatroom. It's about the stream's host interacting with the audience.
Trufacts: I watched a Mario Kart 8 stream [http://www.twitch.tv/geekcritique/] for about two hours the other day. Just a regular ol' Joe Blow and a couple of his friends playing, talking, and having a good time. Y'know why I stayed tuned in so long? Because the host of the stream was fun, and because they interacted regularly with the chat. But go ahead and ignore that this is actually succeeding, Reggie, and assume regardless that nobody wants it. Let's see how that works out for ya.
P.S. Thanks
Nintendo is done they just told people what fun is..... fun is what you make it not what you are told to like.....
I have to agree. Does it really matter if they don't see the use in having Twitch streaming if it's something their gamers want? Of course it doesn't. Streaming is a pretty big thing right now, and even if they're not sure where it's going to go, at least be there when it happens.Rednog said:
...on a side note, I would totally play that game...Meinos Kaen said:
OT: I'm going to go out on a limb here. As an owner of the WiiU, I do have to say that there is something lacking - either I've completely missed it or it just isn't there - that makes streaming games online a lot more fun than, as they have stated, 30 minutes of solid game play.
Where's the mic on the WiiU?
People don't watch the streams for the gameplay. They watch it for the player reactions. They watch it for the commentary. Nintendo's got it right, at least very basic terms. Ya really can't have an enjoyable stream unless the guy at the helm is speaking.
...or, that's how I see it, anyway. The second I find the mic on the WiiU, I'm moving over to the "What the hell, Nintendo?" boat.
You can buy a headset for the Wii U for about $20 if you want, but there is already a microphone built into the Wii U's GamePad. Heck there's a video chat function that uses it. So the Wii U does have a mic already, you just have to buy a headset if you don't want to use the one that the console comes with.Micah Weil said:
You could see how Nintendo content just disappeared off YouTube after the content ID apocalypse, some of the content creators have even admitted they will not make any more Nintendo content and Boogie2988 said he was wary of even talking about them because of what they do but he didn't elucidate any further. Maybe they hit channels that are critical of them harder with the content ID or copywrite strikes or something, I hope not and do not what he was referring to but it was a funny thing of him to say.Neronium said:
Its a shame the issue is to complicated to study but I wonder how much this YouTube blackout affected Nintendo, it caused ill will with the content creators to begin with and those guys can be an effective PR department for publishers. Having someone like pewdiepie squealing over your game does have an affect on sales, there where charts showing that indie games increase in sales after one of the biggest personalities showcases them. Even to the extent you could place the graph on a calender and see the spike shortly after the video was posted and games that get released almost unnoticed get hurled to the top of charts and discussion about them pops up everywhere.
The level of effect is almost impossible to calculate but these policies of Nintendos will be hurting them to some degree or other and the ill feelings it causes with consumers make it worse, which with the torpid Wii U hardware and software sales they could do without.
To be fair, it's not just a question of them saying "okay, we'll allow it". It costs money to develop this kind of feature, and they're saying that they don't think it's worth the expense.Kungfu_Teddybear said:
I somewhat agree as far as taste in content is concerned. Straight unvoiced gameplay isn't really my thing outside of speedruns. Highlight reels are interesting, commentated gameplay is variably interesting, but not straight plain gameplay. But you know what? That's not my concern. People want Twitch streaming and people have ways of making it interesting, and denying it because you think it might not be fun? That's bullshit, it's not like anyone's being forced to watch it. Personally, I think they just want to push their own service so the majority of content is without criticism or controversy. But it isn't going to matter, because people will use 3rd party service whether there's support or not.
Then again for whatever reason Nintendo doesn't seem to see the value in LPs and streaming, so I suppose they can do whatever they want if it's not even a concern. Fuck them, but it's their house.
Then again for whatever reason Nintendo doesn't seem to see the value in LPs and streaming, so I suppose they can do whatever they want if it's not even a concern. Fuck them, but it's their house.