Wii U Won't Sell as Well as Wii, Says God of War Creator

[coolkirb]

correct me if Im wrong but if the Wii U does half as well as the wii is it not still a huge succes? I mean if they sell half as much they still sold more then the ps3.

 

[Epona]

Well yes but that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about:

"Wii U Won't Sell as Well as Wii, Says God of War Creator"

Which I think is true.

 

[Balobo]

The 3DS isn't doing so well either. It seems the gimmicks have been worn out.

Likely because of the mediocre line up (which will improve), its cost, and the fact that it was launched in the middle of the year (aka not being helped by the holiday rush).

 

[Epona]

The 3DS isn't doing so well either. It seems the gimmicks have been worn out.

Likely because of the mediocre line up (which will improve), its cost, and the fact that it was launched in the middle of the year (aka not being helped by the holiday rush).

Also, likely because

- the 3D effect causes headaches in some people meaning they can't play it for very long
- the battery life is terrible
- some people can't see the 3D effect so can't justify spending all that money when the main feature is inaccessible to them.
- the price is too high

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

correct me if Im wrong but if the Wii U does half as well as the wii is it not still a huge succes? I mean if they sell half as much they still sold more then the ps3.

Correcting you.

The Wii stands at 86 million. The Ps3 stands at 50 million. If the Wii U sold half as much as the Wii it's not a huge success at all.

 

[Balobo]

The 3DS isn't doing so well either. It seems the gimmicks have been worn out.

Likely because of the mediocre line up (which will improve), its cost, and the fact that it was launched in the middle of the year (aka not being helped by the holiday rush).

Also, likely because

- the 3D effect causes headaches in some people meaning they can't play it for very long
- the battery life is terrible
- some people can't see the 3D effect so can't justify spending all that money when the main feature is inaccessible to them.
- the price is too high

Nop, sorry. The average person is smart enough to turn 3D off if they're experiencing headaches. The 3D isn't the only reason to buy the system, similar to how people who don't have HDTVs bought Xbox 360s and PS3s (which use HD as a huge selling point).

I agree with the battery life and I already addressed the cost issue.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

I think people also have to realize that 3rd party developers aren't going to support the Wii U as well as they did the Wii (with the exception of companies that make constant shovelware.

Sure the Wii had been a success for Nintendo but you honestly can't say the same for 3rd Party devs who put games on it. Putting an M rated game on the Wii was asking for it to flop. (With the exception of No More Heroes and the Wiimake of RE:4).

Nintendo has to tone down the marketing for family play because they essentially ruined chances of success for a lot of 3rd party games.

 

[Epona]

The 3DS isn't doing so well either. It seems the gimmicks have been worn out.

Likely because of the mediocre line up (which will improve), its cost, and the fact that it was launched in the middle of the year (aka not being helped by the holiday rush).

Also, likely because

- the 3D effect causes headaches in some people meaning they can't play it for very long
- the battery life is terrible
- some people can't see the 3D effect so can't justify spending all that money when the main feature is inaccessible to them.
- the price is too high

Nop, sorry. The average person is smart enough to turn 3D off if they're experiencing headaches. The 3D isn't the only reason to buy the system, similar to how people who don't have HDTVs bought Xbox 360s and PS3s (which use HD as a huge selling point).

I agree with the battery life and I already addressed the cost issue.

Here's a better idea. If you can't enjoy the 3D effect, the 3DS is not for you. That's what many people have probably decided. Most won't change their mind in the future.

3D movies are a gimmick and so is 3D gaming. If people don't think it's worth an extra $3 to watch a movie in 3D then they won't think it worth it to pay $250 for a 3D handheld. The 3DS MAY take off in the future when it gets better games like the DS did but unlike the DS it has extra baggage holding it down, 3D. I think of it like the Wii, it's controller ruined some of it's best games. As an example, would NSMBW have been better without the waggle? You bet! How about other games where the waggle was just added to force the Wiimote innovation into games that didn't benefit from it. Same thing will happen with the 3DS. The 3D is exclusive, not inclusive.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

The 3DS isn't doing so well either. It seems the gimmicks have been worn out.

Likely because of the mediocre line up (which will improve), its cost, and the fact that it was launched in the middle of the year (aka not being helped by the holiday rush).

Also, likely because

- the 3D effect causes headaches in some people meaning they can't play it for very long
- the battery life is terrible
- some people can't see the 3D effect so can't justify spending all that money when the main feature is inaccessible to them.
- the price is too high

Nop, sorry. The average person is smart enough to turn 3D off if they're experiencing headaches. The 3D isn't the only reason to buy the system, similar to how people who don't have HDTVs bought Xbox 360s and PS3s (which use HD as a huge selling point).

I agree with the battery life and I already addressed the cost issue.

Well right now the 3D is the only reason to buy the 3DS. It's called the 3DS... The average person is smart enough to turn off the 3D effect yeah, but that's essentially turning off what you payed $250 to see the device do. There's not even a reputable line up out, or on the horizon for the 3DS anytime soon. The only games that look worth buying a 3DS for are remakes. Why should I spend $250 to play LoZ: Ocarina of Time in 3D? Or StarFox64. And the horrible battery life will ruin MGS3's remake (well so will the fact that it's an M rated game on the 3DS. Look at what happened to GTA Chinatown Wars). And Tales of the Abyss 3DS is the only other game worth mentioning. Games we`ve already played. With a 3D gimmick on it. Sorry but the PS Vita seems to be the handheld worth it`s $250 price tag.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

The 3DS isn't doing so well either. It seems the gimmicks have been worn out.

Likely because of the mediocre line up (which will improve), its cost, and the fact that it was launched in the middle of the year (aka not being helped by the holiday rush).

Also, likely because

- the 3D effect causes headaches in some people meaning they can't play it for very long
- the battery life is terrible
- some people can't see the 3D effect so can't justify spending all that money when the main feature is inaccessible to them.
- the price is too high

Nop, sorry. The average person is smart enough to turn 3D off if they're experiencing headaches. The 3D isn't the only reason to buy the system, similar to how people who don't have HDTVs bought Xbox 360s and PS3s (which use HD as a huge selling point).

I agree with the battery life and I already addressed the cost issue.

Here's a better idea. If you can't enjoy the 3D effect, the 3DS is not for you. That's what many people have probably decided. Most won't change their mind in the future.

3D movies are a gimmick and so is 3D gaming. If people don't think it's worth an extra $3 to watch a movie in 3D then they won't think it worth it to pay $250 for a 3D handheld. The 3DS MAY take off in the future when it gets better games like the DS did but unlike the DS it has extra baggage holding it down, 3D. I think of it like the Wii, it's controller ruined some of it's best games. As an example, would NSMBW have been better without the waggle? You bet! How about other games where the waggle was just added to force the Wiimote innovation into games that didn't benefit from it. Same thing will happen with the 3DS. The 3D is exclusive, not inclusive.

You bring about good points but one thing. If Nintendo decides to make games on the 3DS that heavily use the 3D feature, how would they market those games? That's the biggest issue for the 3DS, it's unmarketable for it's games.

 

[Balobo]

3D movies are a gimmick and so is 3D gaming. If people don't think it's worth an extra $3 to watch a movie in 3D then they won't think it worth it to pay $250 for a 3D handheld. The 3DS MAY take off in the future when it gets better games like the DS did but unlike the DS it has extra baggage holding it down, 3D. I think of it like the Wii, it's controller ruined some of it's best games. As an example, would NSMBW have been better without the waggle? You bet! How about other games where the waggle was just added to force the Wiimote innovation into games that didn't benefit from it. Same thing will happen with the 3DS. The 3D is exclusive, not inclusive.

Actually, people do think it's worth it to pay an extra three dollars to watch a 3D movie. That's why they do that.

The 3D can be turned off, versus having to use a specific controllers for almost all the games. It's inclusive, not exclusive. If Nintendo was going to force you to use 3D then they would have removed the 3D slider.

Well right now the 3D is the only reason to buy the 3DS. It's called the 3DS... The average person is smart enough to turn off the 3D effect yeah, but that's essentially turning off what you payed $250 to see the device do. There's not even a reputable line up out, or on the horizon for the 3DS anytime soon. The only games that look worth buying a 3DS for are remakes. Why should I spend $250 to play LoZ: Ocarina of Time in 3D? Or StarFox64. And the horrible battery life will ruin MGS3's remake (well so will the fact that it's an M rated game on the 3DS. Look at what happened to GTA Chinatown Wars). And Tales of the Abyss 3DS is the only other game worth mentioning. Games we`ve already played. With a 3D gimmick on it. Sorry but the PS Vita seems to be the handheld worth it`s $250 price tag.

But the only games announced for the Vita are ports/rehashes of PS3 games. Why would you pay 250 dollars for a handheld that has the same games as a console that has been out for much longer? Both handhelds share this problem, it will be corrected over time.

 

[Acidwell]

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But the problem with this business model is that the new console is as expensive or more expensive than the competition. Since it doesnt have a comparable list of features now it will run into the issue of "the old one is better" and people will just go for whichever console offers the best.
Also exclusives? I can tell you the exclusives right now; one of each of the following areas. Zelda, Mario, Metroid and possibly pokemon. That will not convert anyone. It will get the part of the market that bought a wii for the exact same reason, a small part of the people who bought a wii.

 

[Mr. Omega]

1: When did this man suddenly start fancying himself a professional industry analyst? And who the hell takes him seriously? He's just saying "I don't like it, so it's gonna fail." That's what ALL his 'predictions' have been so far.

2: It's not likely the WiiU will outsell the Wii. That's not exactly an easy feat. It's trying to bring as many of the new gamers over with them as they can while simultaneously trying to appeal to the "Hardcore" crowd.

3: I find it hilarious how no matter how much Nintendo seems to be trying to pander to the Hardcore now (Most of the major third parties being involved. I mean fucking VALVE is interested in the WiiU. HD Graphics. Improved online service and NO MORE FRIEND CODES. Giving everyone the standard two-stick, d-pad, four buttons, four trigger controller with a few new features. And they're trying to keep the system as cheap as possible in an industry where everyone is trying to jack up the prices more and more.), all they (or at least the Escapist) seem to do is "LA LA LA LA LA I DON'T HEAR YOU GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!"

4: There's still too much we don't know about the system to be making predictions. We don't have confirmed hardware specs. We don't have a launch line-up. We don't know any exclusive titles. We don't know that much about the online service. We don't know the PRICE. And it's a year away from release, so there can be all sorts of surprises in store.

 

[Balobo]

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But the problem with this business model is that the new console is as expensive or more expensive than the competition. Since it doesnt have a comparable list of features now it will run into the issue of "the old one is better" and people will just go for whichever console offers the best.
Also exclusives? I can tell you the exclusives right now; one of each of the following areas. Zelda, Mario, Metroid and possibly pokemon. That will not convert anyone. It will get the part of the market that bought a wii for the exact same reason, a small part of the people who bought a wii.

Third parties seem to be pretty excited about the system. That might convert some people.

 

[Epona]

Actually, people do think it's worth it to pay an extra three dollars to watch a 3D movie. That's why they do that.

It's dying, like it does everytime Hollywood throws it out there. It's interesting for a while then people see it for what it is. 3D is a short term gimmick. Building a handheld around that gimmick was a bad idea.

3D itself is exclusive, not inclusive as an extension so is the 3DS. In the same way a person who can't see 3D or gets headaches from it won't buy a 3DTV, they won't buy a 3DS. I am sure the 3D can be turned off on a 3DTV too but why spend the money when you can't enjoy the main feature.

We'll just have to see how it plays out but I think the 3DS is DOA.

 

[Acidwell]

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But the problem with this business model is that the new console is as expensive or more expensive than the competition. Since it doesnt have a comparable list of features now it will run into the issue of "the old one is better" and people will just go for whichever console offers the best.
Also exclusives? I can tell you the exclusives right now; one of each of the following areas. Zelda, Mario, Metroid and possibly pokemon. That will not convert anyone. It will get the part of the market that bought a wii for the exact same reason, a small part of the people who bought a wii.

Third parties seem to be pretty excited about the system. That might convert some people.

True but third parties for wii tend to develop really bad knock offs of other games. But you never know somebody might pull something out.

 

[Rhedd]

The N64 was not in competition against the Genesis, it was competing against the PS1, and it lost. When you say 3 in a row, would that be the Wii, the 3DS and the Wii-U? The 3DS hasn't really sold all that well. If you mean the DS, Wii and Wii-U then why are leaving out the 3DS. The "in a row" part is important here.

It was mearly a sales figure comparison since people repeatedly label the N64 and Cube a failure. N64 marks the first time Nintendo was beaten directly in a generation (soundly by the the PS1), but my point was that it still sold reasonably, and made them a lot of money. If it's a failure, it's the sort I'd like to have more often, lol.

And I guess I omitted 3DS cos I didn't want to muddy up the paragraph with qualifications about the 3DS creating a fourth "lucky strike" should that prove the case, lol. Which I'm not sure it will yet either. We really don't know what's going to happen with the 3DS yet, it's a difficult product to market, coupled with a weak starting lineup, but lets not forget it's been out for less than 3 months in most territories. Again, time will tell.

 

[holy_secret]

I still cringe whenever i remember all the people I've met who only bought it for wii sports and haven't bought anything else for it.

Don't cringe when you met my mother. She's a lovely lady. She just happens to love wii bowling, wii fit and that game with the ninja gingerbread dude.

 

[Epona]

The N64 was not in competition against the Genesis, it was competing against the PS1, and it lost. When you say 3 in a row, would that be the Wii, the 3DS and the Wii-U? The 3DS hasn't really sold all that well. If you mean the DS, Wii and Wii-U then why are leaving out the 3DS. The "in a row" part is important here.

It was mearly a sales figure comparison since people repeatedly label the N64 and Cube a failure. N64 marks the first time Nintendo was beaten directly in a generation (soundly by the the PS1), but my point was that it still sold reasonably, and made them a lot of money. If it's a failure, it's the sort I'd like to have more often, lol.

And I guess I omitted 3DS cos I didn't want to muddy up the paragraph with qualifications about the 3DS creating a fourth "lucky strike" should that prove the case, lol. Which I'm not sure it will yet either. We really don't know what's going to happen with the 3DS yet, it's a difficult product to market, coupled with a weak starting lineup, but lets not forget it's been out for less than 3 months in most territories. Again, time will tell.

Depends how define failure I guess. I say all consoles are compared to their competitors, same for handhelds.

Yeah, the 3DS could prove to not be a failure based on how well it does against it's competition. It may still beat out the PS Vita but I don't think it will be as wildly successful as the DS was. The 3D is really only for a certain group of people. They have to both care about 3D enough to spend that kind of money and they have to be capable of using the 3D.

 

[enriquetnt]

Jaffe felt that a significant portion of the Wii's install base had purchased it as something other than a gamer device.

But playing games is pretty much the only thing that you can do on the wii. The only reason anybody even purchased a wii was to play games.

that will be true if you consider that stuff like wii-fit are actual "games" and not only the wii nintendo in general has been pushing this "non-games" like brainage, nintendogs, etc and they been moving millions of copies of them, i dont consider those "games" theyr more like especialized time wasting applications like we see on PC all the time (cough*-*farmville*-*cough)