Wii versus PS2

[Liminal Dusk]

Does anyone else think that these two consoles are more at war than a three-way between the supposed "7th Generation?"

Most games I see on the Wii that are on anything else have a copy for the PS2 as well. It seems as though the Wii is just a Gamecube+ more than a new system. Maybe people can bust some technological facts that I won't comprehend to counter that, but it seems like I can't take my Wii as seriously as my PS3 or 360, while the PS2 seems to have hopped up a notch and is balancing next to the Wii.

Can someone (preferably not a fanboy) make me feel better about my Wii? (Ignoring the innuendo) I'd like to feel like it was a SERIOUS next-gen console.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

It's making more money than god and it's bringing out great titles in the next few months, not to mention the library of great games it already has. Surely they are doing something better than the other two companies if they are making so much money, and why would you want technological facts?

Power does not make a console better. Game boy did not beat game gear because of power. Nintendo 64 had some great ideas, but came second to playstation even though it was more powerful. Gamecube came third and it was the second most powerful console last generation

If you want to feel better about your wii, go buy some games for it. There are about a hundred different threads about good games for the wii.

And may I ask what stops the ps3 from being a ps2+ or a 360 being a 360+? please post back and let me know.

P.S this generation has been here for three years now. It is most certainly the current generation.

 

[The Wooster]

Then you might want to actually look at something below what sells.

Resident Evil 4, Umbrella Chronicles, No More Heroes, Metroic Prime 3, Twilight Princess, SMG, Brawl, Madworld, The Conduit, Kirby, Kid Icarus....

That's not a lot of Bang for my $300. Especially considering I own Resident Evil 4 on the ps2, No More Heroes and Umbrealla Chronicles aren't exactly earth shattering and four of your picks haven't even been released yet. That being said, you did forget Zack and Wiki.

 

[Fatalis67]

I love my PS2, it is my friend. I didn't like my Wii, it was an unfriendly machine that hurts those I love. So I sold it and now that terrible pain shall be inflicted upon another person, who hopefully harbors great love for the habits that are displayed by Nintendo.

 

[Liminal Dusk]

It's making more money than god and it's bringing out great titles in the next few months, not to mention the library of great games it already has. Surely they are doing something better than the other two companies if they are making so much money, and why would you want technological facts?

Mainly because I don't believe the market speaks for what's good and what's not. Clearly I value getting the most out of the technology you have to work with, and nintendo has NOT done that.

Yeah, yeah, I played all of those "Nintendo favorites" you mentioned, but he only truly UNIQUE game (which the Wii strives to tell people is its forte) is No More Heroes.

When I look at games like Baroque and Okami, both of which look the SAME on the PS2 and Wii, the only difference for the Wii being its motion-sensing. I have to wonder whether the Wii is on par with the PS3 and the 360. Twilight Princess also looks THE SAME on gamecube and Wii, so I ask you for technical facts because I want to know if the fucking console I bought is just a gamecube with flash memory and a motion-sensitive controller, because the fucking Cell Processer and Blu-Ray-tech is a LOT more of an improvement to the last gen than that. That's the difference between PS2+ and PS3. Now what's made Wii SO much better than Gamecube? Because last I heard, people were begging for newly released games to have Gamecube controller compatibility. (Ex. Mario Kart and NiGHTS)

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And also, I believe it's selling like god because when grade-school mothers consider what console to buy their kid, they aren't thinking about technology or game quality, they're thinking about the price tag. $600, $400, or $200....hmmmmmmmm I wonder. And in THAT regard, the PS2 is still keeping up with the Wii.

 

[Podunk]

The Wii is, arguably, at the frontier of gaming... They just got their map right-angled and while the PS3 and 360 are exploring the uncharted west's uncanny valleys, making friends with nomadic hard-core gamer tribes, and painting the rich amber landscapes with their sepia-toned skies, the Wii rowed itself south along the old amazon trail cataloguing all the wildlife heretofore unknown to it's kind and getting drunk with its buddies. It may not have ended up where everyone else expected it to go but that doesn't mean it's not still in an interesting place.

The controls for the Wii are really it's defining factor, and although there aren't very many examples of how they've been intigrated well yet it seems likely that eventually there will be some games of merit on the system regaurdless of whether Nintendo actually decided to give it a real try or not. No More Heroes came out for the Wii specifically because the Wiimote and Nunchuck gave a much more interesting and fresh control scheme than the other new consoles even though it most likely would have found more of an audience on those systems. The problem here is that stick-waggling technology is new and janky while good old reliable button-pressing has been pretty much perfected for a while now. I think any gamer around back in the days of NES and Arcade gaming can think of a few times in which pushing buttons didn't exactly give the kind of results that was desired and expected. With the passage of time more games will arrive that could only find home on the Wii and be the kind of exclusive title that make you love a system rather than just tolorate it... Sadly these probably won't be coming from Nintendo due to their new attitude towards real gamers and apparently consumers on the whole. I'm just glad they've got the virtual console working so well but I really won't be elated until they give the support for Guitar Hero and Rock Band that the other systems owners have been enjoying for a dogs age... And here there's hope too, on the Indie front. Virtual console will be a dearth of enjoyable, interesting games... Provided you're willing to slog through a sea of virtual aquariums and eating challenges...

So chin up, man! The Wii may not be able to do what the big kids it tags along with after school can do but it's unique and will most likely develop in its own interesting way.

...Plus the notion of a Wii sequel to God of War puts wind beneath my wings. (A man can dream...)

 

[Liminal Dusk]

So chin up, man! The Wii may not be able to do what the big kids it tags along with after school can do but it's unique and will most likely develop in its own interesting way.

...Plus the notion of a Wii sequel to God of War puts wind beneath my wings. (A man can dream...)

You're right. Like I said, I'm not regretting buying the Wii. I just wish it'd shape up and make me appreciate it, when I only have 4 titles I care about (and I bought it the day it came out) and just last week I bought another 2 new PS2 releases (Persona 4 and Kingdom Hearts 1.5). I either need more patience or something to whet my appetite. That God of War idea comes to mind... Naievete alert, but does ReadyAtDawn work exclusively for Sony?

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Although I'm not a big fan of the Wii, I think the Wii>PS2.

Conduit and Madworld are going to be awesome.

 

[theklng]

get the wario titles. they're the only thing worth playing on the thing. and still, the new warioland shake is the worst of the warioland series. warioland 3 and 4 were by far the greatest of the series... they should re release them for stationary consoles.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

It's making more money than god and it's bringing out great titles in the next few months, not to mention the library of great games it already has. Surely they are doing something better than the other two companies if they are making so much money, and why would you want technological facts?

Mainly because I don't believe the market speaks for what's good and what's not. Clearly I value getting the most out of the technology you have to work with, and nintendo has NOT done that.

Yeah, yeah, I played all of those "Nintendo favorites" you mentioned, but he only truly UNIQUE game (which the Wii strives to tell people is its forte) is No More Heroes.

When I look at games like Baroque and Okami, both of which look the SAME on the PS2 and Wii, the only difference for the Wii being its motion-sensing. I have to wonder whether the Wii is on par with the PS3 and the 360. Twilight Princess also looks THE SAME on gamecube and Wii, so I ask you for technical facts because I want to know if the fucking console I bought is just a gamecube with flash memory and a motion-sensitive controller, because the fucking Cell Processer and Blu-Ray-tech is a LOT more of an improvement to the last gen than that. That's the difference between PS2+ and PS3. Now what's made Wii SO much better than Gamecube? Because last I heard, people were begging for newly released games to have Gamecube controller compatibility. (Ex. Mario Kart and NiGHTS)

Well I have no idea what I could find typing 'wii system specs' into google that you can't, so I won't bother. I have heard that in terms of graphical content it is supposed to be a gamecube 1.5 or twice the power of said console. that makes it more than a gamecube with flash memory and a motion sensitive controller. Also, Zelda was made last minute on the wii, as it was just coming out and motion sensing controls were easy to implement. Just like the PS3 with its graphical content, the Wii is not at it's limit either.

Also, those games are ports. The changes they made are either in controller changes or nothing at all. Just like a ps3 port from the 360 looks the same, aside from one or two.

It's common knowledge now that Nintendo made a console that was not meant to advance miles in technological advancement, even though they could. It was a design choice that have spawned many good and original games from said choice. Blu Ray tech in a console has not done a great deal to the games yet, they may well make for larger games and a cheaper cost compared to two dvds, but To me that does not enhance the gaming experience right now, if at all. And plus the wii is a gaming console, not a entertainment system, which some are actually buying the ps3 for.

The talk of gamecube controller games on games such as Mario Kart was already implemented, so I have no idea what you are on about there, and where you heard this from. the Nights story obviously means that the developers did not spend enough time with it, or it means that the game just wasn't a good choice for that control scheme input. Not everything has to be wii remote implemented

Yeah, yeah, I played all of those "Nintendo favorites" you mentioned, but he only truly UNIQUE game (which the Wii strives to tell people is its forte) is No More Heroes.

What? when the hell did I say anything about any nintendo favorites? If you do want me to speak of unique wii titles, you have boom blox, you have Zack and Wiki, you have shaun white, you have skate it, and yes, you have No More Heroes, among others. Can you name me a unique game on the ps360 that cannot be done on either console, besides the level of graphical content? Their tech lies in enhancing gaming enjoyment, and so far they have done a good job of it without the use of a bloody cell processor. And FYI that cell processor, while I think will do them good for the 10 year lifespan that the PS3 is going for, it is killing them now.

 

[geldonyetich]

It's interesting, really.

On one hand, I'm just a tad disappointed to discover a cross-platform game is severely cranked down several notches - sometimes completely redeveloped as a seperate product - because the Wii hardware simply can't compare with the PS3 and XBox 360.

On the other hand, at about the point where people decided that better graphics made better games, games started to suck. Underlined! Boldfaced! This is probably the reason why some of the better games I can find (in terms of entertainment value) are on the Nintendo DS.

So, while part of me is ashamed that the Wii seems to be holding gaming hardware evolution back, another part of me hopes the Wii kicks the PS3 and XBox 360's pasty well-rendered arses because they're taking games back to the fundamental understanding that games exist to entertain, not be oogled.

Judging by sales, it seems the Wii is indeed doing just that. 'twould be interesting, and very overdue, if the industry took notice and next direction games are involving is not in brawn, but in brains.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

And also, I believe it's selling like god because when grade-school mothers consider what console to buy their kid, they aren't thinking about technology or game quality, they're thinking about the price tag. $600, $400, or $200....hmmmmmmmm I wonder. And in THAT regard, the PS2 is still keeping up with the Wii.

ok not to start a war or anything, but I lol'd at that comment about the ps2 keeping up with the wii, because nothing is, their sales are just borderline stupid. The ps2 is (and should be) dying out, and has not been selling less than any other console.

I will agree with the comment about the people buying it, but give it a few months into next year, you will see some great games coming out, if you don't i'll eat my mouse mat. :-D

 

[Podunk]

Oh, there's lots to do on the Wii... but it's mainly a multiplayer console, so much so that I leave mine at my buddies place during the school year. If you want to play with gamers, things like Dokopon Kingdom and Super Smash Brothers Brawl are good choices, and anyone can enjoy some Boom Blox or Rayman Raving Rabbids 2... WarioWare, to me, has a limited appeal, as a party game you have to play all the way through to get 9/10th of the content rubs me the wrong way, and the modes you have to choose from lack much customization or lasting appeal... Single-player experiences are few and far between however, and I haven't found many that keep my interest. No More Heroes is a fun choice, as is Zack and Wiki but mostly I just play gamecube games or downloadable classics such as Paper Mario when it's just me and my Wii...

I've told all my friends and family not to get me anything for the Wii this christmas and haven't bought any Wii games or products either... Nintendo's poor showing, apparent lack of fan commitment and lackluster (or nonexistent) holiday season line-up has annoyed me to the point I refuse to give them any of my christmas bucks.
... Plus... y'know... There's nothing out.

So right now I do tend to lean on my PS2. Persona 4 and my beloved Silent Hill will be keeping me entertained through my holiday break. There's are several Wii games coming out in the next 6 months I am looking forward to, but until then my sticks will most likely go unwaggled.

 

[Chilango2]

Define serious?

I mean, honestly. The entire premise of the discussion begs the question, as it were.

The Wii can have perfectly good graphics, has many varied games which can be fun, and really, if your enjoying it (as its clear many other people are, judging from its continued sales) what's to say it's not a 'serious' console?

 

[Wolfenstein777]

This is a matter of opinion. PS2 VS Wii

Hardware = Looks and feels like the same thing from both sides and Wii is five years older . Winner PS2

Online = Wii hasn't had a game with really good online play at all really . PS2's online is not a great as xbox but has cool online play. Winner Ps2

System Design = Wii isn't the first motion controled conttroller but the first based on it . Ps2 is an advancement of the Ps2 with a dvd player .
Winner Wii

Games = the only games I enjoyed on the win was No more heroes , Metroid Prime 3 and thats it. While on Ps2 i have at least 50 games that i loved play and playing with friends .
Winner PS2

Overall = With 3 out of 4 Winner PS2

 

[Librarian Mike]

So, it's decided then. Some people like the PS2 and some people like the Wii...I guess that about does it for this thread.

 

[Podunk]

Games = the only games I enjoyed on the win was No more heroes , Metroid Prime 3 and thats it. While on Ps2 i have at least 50 games that i loved play and playing with friends .
Winner PS2

Well, the matter of the issue here is that of locking the two consoles in time. Granted there are more games people would consider worth playing on the PS2 but a small issue is that there is also an extra ocean's worth of games people do /not/ want to play on the PS2. The issue here is that the PS2 has been out for so much longer than the Wii. When your catalogue spans the ages then sure, it's easy to say there are more hits but you have to remember there are more misses too just because of all the shots fired. I don't remember seeing very many games I was genuinely excited about until a while after the release of the PS2. The Wii is going to need a little more time for itself before you compare it to a system with nearly nine years of support.

 

[Liminal Dusk]

What? when the hell did I say anything about any nintendo favorites? If you do want me to speak of unique wii titles, you have boom blox, you have Zack and Wiki, you have shaun white, you have skate it, and yes, you have No More Heroes, among others. Can you name me a unique game on the ps360 that cannot be done on either console, besides the level of graphical content? Their tech lies in enhancing gaming enjoyment, and so far they have done a good job of it without the use of a bloody cell processor. And FYI that cell processor, while I think will do them good for the 10 year lifespan that the PS3 is going for, it is killing them now.

The unique games thing was actually directed to Indigo's list of games. Plus, I'm not saying that the games on the PS360 need to be unique. But if your selling point is uniqueness, then it damn-well better have more than a few.

 

[Wolfenstein777]

and because they make good third party games.....

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

What? when the hell did I say anything about any nintendo favorites? If you do want me to speak of unique wii titles, you have boom blox, you have Zack and Wiki, you have shaun white, you have skate it, and yes, you have No More Heroes, among others. Can you name me a unique game on the ps360 that cannot be done on either console, besides the level of graphical content? Their tech lies in enhancing gaming enjoyment, and so far they have done a good job of it without the use of a bloody cell processor. And FYI that cell processor, while I think will do them good for the 10 year lifespan that the PS3 is going for, it is killing them now.

The unique games thing was actually directed to Indigo's list of games. Plus, I'm not saying that the games on the PS360 need to be unique. But if your selling point is uniqueness, then it damn-well better have more than a few.

you should have said man, but ignoring that, it does have more than a few, and it will in the future. Just like ps3 owners and their technologically groundbreaking games, we will both have to wait until devs are familiar with the systems.

Also I am getting a ps3 whenever killzone comes out, because killzone one was awesome, and if KZ2 gets good reviews, then I might consider buying it. I know it is off topic but are there many good games on there I can't get on the PC?