Will Nintendo do another bait and switch with the Wii U?

[Lugbzurg]

> Nintendo

> Doesn't Innovate

Just where is this falsified information coming from? It's like the videogame equivalent of "Love and Tolerate". People romp around claiming this is what it's all about, when the opposite is true.

Let's break this down...

Donkey Kong - Mario Bros. - Super Mario Bros. - Super Mario Bros. 2 - Super Mario Bros. 3 - Super Mario World - Super Mario 64 - Super Mario Sunshine - Super Mario Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy 2

And this is just the focus on some of the major Mario titles. If you know these games, you'll instantly recognize how each installment adds a lot of new things. Plus, Mario's been in kart-racing, a huge variety of sports, and party games. Heck, Mario Party 9 made a pretty big change with the whole "everyone rides together in a car", rather than having everyone move separately. Now, let's take a look at The Legend of Zelda...

The Legend of Zelda - LoZ II: The Adventure of Link - A Link to the Past - Ocarina of Time - Majora's Mask - Wind Waker - Twilight Princess - Skyward Sword.

Honestly, since when was it not innovation when you've got an eerie, unsettling black sheep of a game, then a cartoon sea-faring adventure, followed by a dark and mature title that deals with night and day mechanics, and finally a touch of Metroid and being able to fly around as well as using the sword more realistically as well as some new tools. How is this not innovation? Nintendo is constantly trying out new ideas with each title. The reason they've been able to churn out so many sequels for so long is because they've been innovating a heck of a lot.

On top of that, Miyamoto wants to make a first-person shooter. Now that's not something you normally get from Nintendo, is it?

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

yeah welcome to the escapist where a lot of people take Yathzee's words like he is the real truth of gaming (and as he dislikes nintendo so shall a lot of his followers)

of course..I couldn't POSSIBLY dislike Nintendo for perfectly valid reasons....I must be another hater/yahtzee wannabe fan

the "you don't like the things I like so therefore you suck" argument is preschool level stuff

I said a lot of people not everyone. Even you can see a lot of people just parrot Yahtzee as if he is their lord and master.

I never said people didn't have a valid reason. Also i never ever said "You don't like the things I like so therefore you suck". If you read my posts i am of an opinion that everyone should play what they like. Do not put words in my mouth i never said and i do not even believe in.

What i did say is that this website has a lot of Yahtzee followers that just parrot his dislike for nintendo. That is all nothing more nothing less.

And everyone else's point what "why even bring up Yahtzee?" Who on this thread is parroting him at all? It still seems that your attacking Yahtzee when he has no bearing on this thread.

 

[Olas]

'another bait and switch'.

So like...have we all played a recent nintendo game? Or tried any of these supposedly awful 3rd party games? What was this great betrayal I missed while I was running out of time and money to afford all these amazing wii exclusives? I have 20 games for the thing and I missed out on 15 others.

I feel like there was some kind of great myth started by IGN and Gametrailers that pretended that little white box didn't exist. Did I miss something?

I know exactly how you feel. It's like all the games and content for the Wii was ignored or swept to the side by media aimed at "real gamers"and then when people look back at the Wii they seem to think there was nothing good made for the console and use that to fuel contempt for it.
As far as the escapist community is concerned you just have to accept that roughly 2/3 of the people hold some sort of weird bias against the big N no matter what.

And everyone else's point what "why even bring up Yahtzee?" Who on this thread is parroting him at all? It still seems that your attacking Yahtzee when he has no bearing on this thread.

My guess is that many of the users of this site were originally drawn here by Yahtzee's reviews (I was) and therefore it seems logical that they would either listen to his opinions and take them seriously or already shared his views on games to a high degree to start with. It doesn't mean they're deliberately following him like a flock of sheep, but it's easy to see how this could be a biased demographic among gamers.

 

[him over there]

Simply put it will depend entirely on what the other consoles do. If Sony and Microsoft dump large sums of cash into their machines, blowing the wii U out of the water but either charging a whole bunch of money or selling at a loss then they'll pretty much have to. But if the competition "settles" in order to compete with the Wii U price wise while selling at a profit then they'll be able to keep far more of their third party support.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

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And everyone else's point what "why even bring up Yahtzee?" Who on this thread is parroting him at all? It still seems that your attacking Yahtzee when he has no bearing on this thread.

My guess is that many of the users of this site were originally drawn here by Yahtzee's reviews (I was) and therefore it seems logical that they would either listen to his opinions and take them seriously or already shared his views on games to a high degree to start with. It doesn't mean they're deliberately following him like a flock of sheep, but it's easy to see how this could be a biased demographic among gamers.

That still doesn't justify using Yahtzee as a catch all blanket excuse to disregard Nintendo criticisms. There are people on this thread that, even as they criticize Nintendo, still bring up the fact that the Wii did have some great 3rd party games. The OP pretty much states that the Wii's launch run was pretty well done.

My problem with the Wii was that after that initial launch cycle, great 3rd party Wii games didn't game in decent enough numbers. They trickled out slowly and some of them weren't even marketed. The lack of marketing wasn't just Nintendo's faulty either, although they didn't exactly help. Zack and Wiki for example. Great game, one of the Wii's gems, but Nintendo was marketing their console for non-gamers. Capcom chose to use a "word of mouth" marketing method in anywhere that wasn't Japan. That backfired due to the demographic that Nintendo of America viciously marketed towards.

There are plenty of logical reasons to criticize the Wii and Nintendo's handling of it. And the OP brings up a decent topic of discussion. Slapping that "Yahtzee fan" term on people isn't a fair point.

 

[Olas]

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Wait, are we blaming Nintendo for a lack of third party support on the Wii now? Because that's obviously unfair. Personally I think Nintendo handled the Wii pretty well, they couldn't "force" third parties to make games for their little console, but they produced quite of few quality games of their own. The title of the thread should be "Will third party developers do another bait and switch with the WiiU?"

but Nintendo was marketing their console for non-gamers

I assume by non-gamers you mean casual gamers. ಠ_ಠ

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Wait, are we blaming Nintendo for a lack of third party support on the Wii now? Because that's obviously unfair. Personally I think Nintendo handled the Wii pretty well, they couldn't "force" third parties to make games for their little console, but they produced quite of few quality games of their own. The title of the thread should be "Will third party developers do another bait and switch with the WiiU?"

No, that's not what I'm saying. What Nintendo could have done was NOT so viciously market the Wii towards the non-gamer market. No, Nintendo isn't supposed to "force" 3rd party games out of devs, obviously, but as Suda 51 himself said after the dismal initial sales of No More Heroes, "Only Nintendo titles are doing well. This isn't just because of the current situation in Japan, as this is happening outside Japan".

And he was right on the button with that. There aren't too many massively successful 3rd party titles on the Wii because Nintendo decided to reach the market of people who didn't game as a hobby. That marketing choice for the hardware hurt the 3rd party software titles of the Wii.

No More Heroes
MadWorld
Zack and Wiki
Red Steel 2
Maramusa
and plenty more great 3rd party games flopped because most of the people who bought the Wii didn't game.

Again, Nintendo didn't need to "force" devs to make games, they were being made. Nintendo should have marketed the Wii as a gaming console for all gamers instead of a console for just new gamers.

I assume by non-gamers you mean casual gamers. ಠ_ಠ

Hey, take a look at most of the Wii's advertisements. Am I wrong? Seriously Wii Fit outsold Super Mario Galaxy by twofold.

Wii Music outsold the games I mentioned put together and then some.

 

[Syzygy23]

if we all recall the Wiis launch line up was just as impressive if not more so, and after that all we got was a Mario or Zelda game every other year. Their support of the Wii was almost nonexistent and 3rd party support descended into a bad joke.

Sorry but your memory is short term. There are plenty of great 3rd party games for the Wii.

Muramasa, (Never heard of it)
The "Tales of" games (Never heard of them)
A Boy and His Blob, (Remake of an older nintendo game, was meh)
Rune Factory (Never heard of it)
Baroque (Mediocre)
Xenoblade Chonicles (Too little, too late)
Last Story (Too little, too late)
Monster Hunter Tri (Yes)
Pandora's Tower (Never heard of it)
2 Spyro's (Both were mediocre)
Skylanders (Gimmicky and mediocre)
Rayman Origins (Exists on systems with superior hardware)
The LEGO series (Also exists on systems with superior hardware)
Guitar Hero series (Other systems, SUPERIOR HARDWARE and less input lag)
Rock Band series (You know the drill, other system better yadda yadda)
Fatal Frame 4 (Never heard of it)
Project Zero 2 (Never heard of it)
Resident Evil Series (Umbrella chronicles was shit and you know it)
House of the Dead Overkill (Yes)
de Blob 1 & 2 (This was on PC years ago)
Naruto Shippuden Dragon Blade Chronicles (It's Naruto, it is automatically disqualified from being considered good by anyone with taste)
Overlord (NO, not even on the other platforms)
Pitfall - The Big Adventure (I guess?)
Sengoku Basara - Samurai Heroes (never heard of it. This sounds one of those games you need to know Japanese to play...)
Scarface, (Poor mans GTA)
Godfather (same deal)
Tatsunoku vs Capcom (What teh HELL is a tatsunoko? Some weird anime thing? That shit isn't as relevant outside of Japan as you might think.)
Spectobes Origins (Never heard of it)
Shiren The Wanderer (Never heard of it)
Arc Rise Fantasia (Can't comment, never played it)
Batman - The Brave and the Bold (I know that's a show but... never heard that it got a game)
Bit.Trip (Yes)
COD Black Ops (You mean Brown of Bro's: screaming twelve year old edition. NOW WITH FRIEND CODES!)
COD 3 (FRIEND COOOOOOODES! Worse Hardware! YAY!)
COD MW series (See above)
Dragon Blade (never heard of it)
Data East Arcade (Never heard of it)
Epic Mickey (Mediocre)
Disaster (NHOI = Never heard of it)
Driver SF (Other systems, better hardware)
FIFA 12 (Other systems, better)
FF Crystal Chronicles Series (Mediocre)
Golden Eye (Was alright)
KOF Orochi (NHOI)
Klonoa (Remake, doesn't count)
Little Kings Story (Yes)
Lost in Shadow (NHOI)
MadWorld (Yes)
Res Steel 2 (Yes)
No More Heroes 1 & 2 (I personally didn't care for them, but I;ll give them a Yes anyway)
Metal Slug Anthology (On other systems with no noticeable differences)
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 & 2 (Other systems, better hardware)
Need For Speed Series (I think everyone has agreed there hasn't been a good need for speed game since hot pursuit)
Star Wars Force Unleashed 1& 2 (Other system, BETTER HARDWARE)
The Conduit 1 & 2 (Both were very mediocre)
Tomb Raider Anniversary

There's more. That's not including Wiiware, 1st Party other than Mario and Zelda. or virtual console.

I will concede the best games weren't marketed well and that falls on Nintendo but the Wii has a great catalog for any REAL gamer.

Muramasa, (Never heard of it)
The "Tales of" games (Never heard of them)
A Boy and His Blob, (Remake of an older nintendo game, was meh)
Rune Factory (Never heard of it)
Baroque (Mediocre)
Xenoblade Chonicles (Too little, too late)
Last Story (Too little, too late)
Monster Hunter Tri (Yes)
Pandora's Tower (Never heard of it)
2 Spyro's (Both were mediocre)
Skylanders (Gimmicky and mediocre)
Rayman Origins (Exists on systems with superior hardware)
The LEGO series (Also exists on systems with superior hardware)
Guitar Hero series (Other systems, SUPERIOR HARDWARE and less input lag)
Rock Band series (You know the drill, other system better yadda yadda)
Fatal Frame 4 (Never heard of it)
Project Zero 2 (Never heard of it)
Resident Evil Series (Umbrella chronicles was shit and you know it)
House of the Dead Overkill (Yes)
de Blob 1 & 2 (This was on PC years ago)
Naruto Shippuden Dragon Blade Chronicles (It's Naruto, it is automatically disqualified from being considered good by anyone with taste)
Overlord (NO, not even on the other platforms)
Pitfall - The Big Adventure (I guess?)
Sengoku Basara - Samurai Heroes (never heard of it. This sounds one of those games you need to know Japanese to play...)
Scarface, (Poor mans GTA)
Godfather (same deal)
Tatsunoku vs Capcom (What teh HELL is a tatsunoko? Some weird anime thing? That shit isn't as relevant outside of Japan as you might think.)
Spectobes Origins (Never heard of it)
Shiren The Wanderer (Never heard of it)
Arc Rise Fantasia (Can't comment, never played it)
Batman - The Brave and the Bold (I know that's a show but... never heard that it got a game)
Bit.Trip (Yes)
COD Black Ops (You mean Brown of Bro's: screaming twelve year old edition. NOW WITH FRIEND CODES!)
COD 3 (FRIEND COOOOOOODES! Worse Hardware! YAY!)
COD MW series (See above)
Dragon Blade (never heard of it)
Data East Arcade (Never heard of it)
Epic Mickey (Mediocre)
Disaster (NHOI = Never heard of it)
Driver SF (Other systems, better hardware)
FIFA 12 (Other systems, better)
FF Crystal Chronicles Series (Mediocre)
Golden Eye (Was alright)
KOF Orochi (NHOI)
Klonoa (Remake, doesn't count)
Little Kings Story (Yes)
Lost in Shadow (NHOI)
MadWorld (Yes)
Res Steel 2 (Yes)
No More Heroes 1 & 2 (I personally didn't care for them, but I;ll give them a Yes anyway)
Metal Slug Anthology (On other systems with no noticeable differences)
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 & 2 (Other systems, better hardware)
Need For Speed Series (I think everyone has agreed there hasn't been a good need for speed game since hot pursuit)
Star Wars Force Unleashed 1& 2 (Other system, BETTER HARDWARE)
The Conduit 1 & 2 (Both were very mediocre)

Not a very good list.

 

[J. Mazarin]

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Good golly gosh, a Nintendo fanboi scrambling to prove his favorite console's worthiness by proudly holding up mediocre ports and shit-stained messes like the Conduit?

Then acting overly vindictive and defensive when people call out his bullshit?!?!?

THIS HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

 

[Olas]

No More Heroes
MadWorld
Zack and Wiki
Red Steel 2
Maramusa
and plenty more great 3rd party games flopped because most of the people who bought the Wii didn't game.

Again, Nintendo didn't need to "force" devs to make games, they were being made. Nintendo should have marketed the Wii as a gaming console for all gamers instead of a console for just new gamers.

But that was what they tried to do. They were trying to expand the gaming market, not just shift it to a completely new demographic. Doing that would have alienated their own loyal base of fans who they've depended on and still depend on. Would you consider Twilight Princess of Metroid Prime 3 to be casual?
This is just one of the various misconceptions that the escapist community seems to have about Nintendo and the Wii. Nintendo WASN'T trying to dismiss hardcore gamers.
I'll admit that the majority of their adds were directed to casual gamers or people new to gaming, but that doesn't mean they were hoping to scare off hardcore gamers. Why would they? What possible reason could they have to try and shrink their own audience? You think they don't want to make money?
It wasn't the adverts that did it either, it was the technology. Nintendo doesn't seem to think technology is as important as design and creativity. However, having an underpowered console meant porting games over was especially difficult and costly for developers. That was why it got so few third party games early on and the whole thing snowballed after that.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

No More Heroes
MadWorld
Zack and Wiki
Red Steel 2
Maramusa
and plenty more great 3rd party games flopped because most of the people who bought the Wii didn't game.

Again, Nintendo didn't need to "force" devs to make games, they were being made. Nintendo should have marketed the Wii as a gaming console for all gamers instead of a console for just new gamers.

But that was what they tried to do. They were trying to expand the gaming market, not just shift it to a completely new demographic. Doing that would have alienated their own loyal base of fans who they've depended on and still depend on. Would you consider Twilight Princess of Metroid Prime 3 to be casual?
This is just one of the various misconceptions that the escapist community seems to have about Nintendo and the Wii. Nintendo WASN'T trying to dismiss hardcore gamers.
I'll admit that the majority of their adds were directed to casual gamers or people new to gaming, but that doesn't mean they were hoping to scare off hardcore gamers. Why would they? What possible reason could they have to try and shrink their own audience? You think they don't want to make money?
It wasn't the adverts that did it either, it was the technology. Nintendo doesn't seem to think technology is as important as design and creativity. However, having an underpowered console meant porting games over was especially difficult and costly for developers. That was why it got so few third party games early on and the whole thing snowballed after that.

Not once did I mention that the Wii needed to be more powerful or more technologically advanced. Nor was it the lack of powerful hardware that hurt the Wii's 3rd party software. There are a decent amount of 3rd party Wii games that are critically acclaimed and didn't need more power to be good.

See this is the misconception that Wii fans seem to have about people on the Escapist who have legitimate criticisms of the Wii. You seem to think that I think the EXACT same way as everyone else who dislikes the Wii.

No, Nintendo didn't purposefully intend to alienate its core fanbase, but they did focus extremely hard on reaching the non gamer market. They marketed towards them so hard that any 3rd party game that didn't cater to non-gamers failed in terms of sales. It was the Nintendo marketing that royally screwed over the 3rd party. Nintendo at every E3 showed games like Wii Music over MadWorld, and WiiFit over games like Zack and Wiki.

And to your point about Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3, look back at the quote of Suda51 I posted.

"Only Nintendo titles are doing well. This isn't just because of the current situation in Japan, as this is happening outside Japan" -Suda 51 after the dismal No More Heroes sales

Any 1st party Nintendo game on the Wii sold beautifully. The Wii catered to 2 crowds specifically when it came to its marketing. The Bob Chipman's who eat nostalgia for breakfast like Trix, and the non-gamers.

Do you remember seeing the massive amount of ads for MadWorld? That game had Tv Spots, Ads before movie trailers, and ads on almost every major video game website much like this one. It was very positively rated critically. It still flopped really, really hard.

Why? Because the non-gamer market couldn't give less of a damn about it, and the nostalgia market didn't care because non of their favourite characters were in it. It may be a simple way to look at it, but the amount of 3rd party flops that would have at least been sleeper hits on any other console is way too high.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

if we all recall the Wiis launch line up was just as impressive if not more so, and after that all we got was a Mario or Zelda game every other year. Their support of the Wii was almost nonexistent and 3rd party support descended into a bad joke.

Sorry but your memory is short term. There are plenty of great 3rd party games for the Wii.

Muramasa, (Never heard of it)
The "Tales of" games (Never heard of them)
A Boy and His Blob, (Remake of an older nintendo game, was meh)
Rune Factory (Never heard of it)
Baroque (Mediocre)
Xenoblade Chonicles (Too little, too late)
Last Story (Too little, too late)
Monster Hunter Tri (Yes)
Pandora's Tower (Never heard of it)
2 Spyro's (Both were mediocre)
Skylanders (Gimmicky and mediocre)
Rayman Origins (Exists on systems with superior hardware)
The LEGO series (Also exists on systems with superior hardware)
Guitar Hero series (Other systems, SUPERIOR HARDWARE and less input lag)
Rock Band series (You know the drill, other system better yadda yadda)
Fatal Frame 4 (Never heard of it)
Project Zero 2 (Never heard of it)
Resident Evil Series (Umbrella chronicles was shit and you know it)
House of the Dead Overkill (Yes)
de Blob 1 & 2 (This was on PC years ago)
Naruto Shippuden Dragon Blade Chronicles (It's Naruto, it is automatically disqualified from being considered good by anyone with taste)
Overlord (NO, not even on the other platforms)
Pitfall - The Big Adventure (I guess?)
Sengoku Basara - Samurai Heroes (never heard of it. This sounds one of those games you need to know Japanese to play...)
Scarface, (Poor mans GTA)
Godfather (same deal)
Tatsunoku vs Capcom (What teh HELL is a tatsunoko? Some weird anime thing? That shit isn't as relevant outside of Japan as you might think.)
Spectobes Origins (Never heard of it)
Shiren The Wanderer (Never heard of it)
Arc Rise Fantasia (Can't comment, never played it)
Batman - The Brave and the Bold (I know that's a show but... never heard that it got a game)
Bit.Trip (Yes)
COD Black Ops (You mean Brown of Bro's: screaming twelve year old edition. NOW WITH FRIEND CODES!)
COD 3 (FRIEND COOOOOOODES! Worse Hardware! YAY!)
COD MW series (See above)
Dragon Blade (never heard of it)
Data East Arcade (Never heard of it)
Epic Mickey (Mediocre)
Disaster (NHOI = Never heard of it)
Driver SF (Other systems, better hardware)
FIFA 12 (Other systems, better)
FF Crystal Chronicles Series (Mediocre)
Golden Eye (Was alright)
KOF Orochi (NHOI)
Klonoa (Remake, doesn't count)
Little Kings Story (Yes)
Lost in Shadow (NHOI)
MadWorld (Yes)
Res Steel 2 (Yes)
No More Heroes 1 & 2 (I personally didn't care for them, but I;ll give them a Yes anyway)
Metal Slug Anthology (On other systems with no noticeable differences)
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 & 2 (Other systems, better hardware)
Need For Speed Series (I think everyone has agreed there hasn't been a good need for speed game since hot pursuit)
Star Wars Force Unleashed 1& 2 (Other system, BETTER HARDWARE)
The Conduit 1 & 2 (Both were very mediocre)
Tomb Raider Anniversary

There's more. That's not including Wiiware, 1st Party other than Mario and Zelda. or virtual console.

I will concede the best games weren't marketed well and that falls on Nintendo but the Wii has a great catalog for any REAL gamer.

Not a very good list.

I was going to do this when I was previously debating this person but didn't feel the need to waste my time. Thank you for soldering through that list.

P.S. If you're an RPG fan play the Tales of games. Just not the ones on the Wii. Symphonia 2 was crap, and Graces was better on the PS3.

 

[McMarbles]

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Good golly gosh, a Nintendo fanboi scrambling to prove his favorite console's worthiness by proudly holding up mediocre ports and shit-stained messes like the Conduit?

Then acting overly vindictive and defensive when people call out his bullshit?!?!?

THIS HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

I know, right? Next thing you know, we'll see something totally unexpected, like, I dunno, someone going down the list title by title, and dismissing each one for arbitrary reasons (I never heard of it, so it can't be good! Some site gave this 8 out of ten, so I'll call it mediocre! It's a port, so I'll arbitrarily not count it when I wouldn't think of not counting it on one of the REAL systems! It's a cult favorite, so it's not like it's a game that matters!)

I mean... when have we ever seen THAT before?

 

[J. Mazarin]

snip

Good golly gosh, a Nintendo fanboi scrambling to prove his favorite console's worthiness by proudly holding up mediocre ports and shit-stained messes like the Conduit?

Then acting overly vindictive and defensive when people call out his bullshit?!?!?

THIS HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

I know, right? Next thing you know, we'll see something totally unexpected, like, I dunno, someone going down the list title by title, and dismissing each one for arbitrary reasons (I never heard of it, so it can't be good! Some site gave this 8 out of ten, so I'll call it mediocre! It's a port, so I'll arbitrarily not count it when I wouldn't think of not counting it on one of the REAL systems! It's a cult favorite, so it's not like it's a game that matters!)

I mean... when have we ever seen THAT before?

lol, looks like the concept of "proving other people's points" eludes you

Besides, maybe you should direct your snarky comment towards the person who actually went through the list, and not the person who's in the thread for shits and giggles (me)

 

[Vault101]

I know, right? Next thing you know, we'll see something totally unexpected, like, I dunno, someone going down the list title by title, and dismissing each one for arbitrary reasons (I never heard of it, so it can't be good! Some site gave this 8 out of ten, so I'll call it mediocre! It's a port, so I'll arbitrarily not count it when I wouldn't think of not counting it on one of the REAL systems! It's a cult favorite, so it's not like it's a game that matters!)

I mean... when have we ever seen THAT before?

that list depends alot on subjectivity, personally there was abolutly NOTHING there of interest or anything to motivate me to buy a Wii even if they were like $50,

you'd have to ask alot of other gamers what they think (but Id argue the consensus would sway to the negative)

mabye that doesn't matter..if somone likes the Wii then good for them

if you replace this thing with cars its like somone with a volkswagon trying to tell you its just as good as your modded super duper sports car,

volkswagons have their charm, volkswagons are fine the subjectivity is there in what works for the person.....but don't start telling me it can race with my sports car or I suck becuase I don't like the volks wagon....

 

[lapan]

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Not a very good list.

Just because you didnt hear of some of those games doesnt mean they are bad. It's also funny how you dismiss ports simply on being ports but forget that Golden Eye is a port as well.

What do you think of Trauma Team and the rest auf the Trauma-series by the way? Trauma Team was by far one of my favorite Wii games.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

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Not a very good list.

Just because you didnt hear of some of those games doesnt mean they are bad. It's also funny how you dismiss ports simply on being ports but forget that Golden Eye is a port as well.

What do you think of Trauma Team and the rest auf the Trauma-series by the way? Trauma Team was by far one of my favorite Wii games.

I think that not hearing of the games listed is more an attack on the Wii's marketing rather than an attack on the quality itself. I mean, it is shameful that not too many people heard of Marumasa. That games was great, but I can understand how no one heard about it. Hell, that company's previous game Odin Sphere became a late PS2 classic sleeper hit.

 

[lapan]

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Not a very good list.

Just because you didnt hear of some of those games doesnt mean they are bad. It's also funny how you dismiss ports simply on being ports but forget that Golden Eye is a port as well.

What do you think of Trauma Team and the rest auf the Trauma-series by the way? Trauma Team was by far one of my favorite Wii games.

I think that not hearing of the games listed is more an attack on the Wii's marketing rather than an attack on the quality itself. I mean, it is shameful that not too many people heard of Marumasa. That games was great, but I can understand how no one heard about it. Hell, that company's previous game Odin Sphere became a late PS2 classic sleeper hit.

Then he has a point of course, the only wii games you ever saw advertized outside of gaming magazines over here were Mad World, Monster Hunter Tri and Nintendo games.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

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Not a very good list.

Just because you didnt hear of some of those games doesnt mean they are bad. It's also funny how you dismiss ports simply on being ports but forget that Golden Eye is a port as well.

What do you think of Trauma Team and the rest auf the Trauma-series by the way? Trauma Team was by far one of my favorite Wii games.

I think that not hearing of the games listed is more an attack on the Wii's marketing rather than an attack on the quality itself. I mean, it is shameful that not too many people heard of Marumasa. That games was great, but I can understand how no one heard about it. Hell, that company's previous game Odin Sphere became a late PS2 classic sleeper hit.

Then he has a point of course, the only wii games you ever saw advertized outside of gaming magazines over here were Mad World, Monster Hunter Tri and Nintendo games.

Yeah. And on the paltry list that he quoted, Fatal Frame 4 is on it. That game wasn't even released outside of Japan.

Like I said before, that list was really reaching way too hard for love.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

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Good golly gosh, a Nintendo fanboi scrambling to prove his favorite console's worthiness by proudly holding up mediocre ports and shit-stained messes like the Conduit?

Then acting overly vindictive and defensive when people call out his bullshit?!?!?

THIS HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

I know, right? Next thing you know, we'll see something totally unexpected, like, I dunno, someone going down the list title by title, and dismissing each one for arbitrary reasons (I never heard of it, so it can't be good! Some site gave this 8 out of ten, so I'll call it mediocre! It's a port, so I'll arbitrarily not count it when I wouldn't think of not counting it on one of the REAL systems! It's a cult favorite, so it's not like it's a game that matters!)

I mean... when have we ever seen THAT before?

Hey, if you have enough time to make snarky comments for no good reason, then it doesn't seem too unreasonable to look at a crappy list and state why it sucked.