World of Warcraft Could Have Been World of Warhammer
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You're looking at it the wrong way, sorry. Warcraft (largely) takes place on one planet. Warhammer 40000 takes place in an entire universe and there's thousands of histories for each planet. Wanna know why a large portion of Space Marines went rogue and tried to kill the Emperor of Man? There's thousands of years of detailed lore leading up to it, from the birth of the Eldar species, their migrations, their rise and their fall, ultimately creating various gods at different times through a mixture of telepathy and reckless emotion. A dozen books and about thirty thousand years later, the Eldar fucked themselves up and the Gods they made convinced a few Marines to convert their brothers.Devoneaux said:
Pick any planet and it'll have years of history that directly relate to those around it and the universe on a whole. They've all seen campaigns from Orks and Tyranids, to Necron and Dark Eldar. Each battle pushes a faction in different directions and has massive fallout. If, for example, the Blood Angels hand't been the first to respond during the Horus Heresy battle, Sanguinius wouldn't have died and they'd not suffer the blood curse that causes them to hunt Cypher like a dog and he'd be able to return to Terra, give the sword back and possibly restore some of humanity's strength. All those events are covered in the books and they all take place over entire galaxies, with every race intertwined.
Oh and the Space Marines are 99% faceless war machines because they are all clones of The Emperor of Mankind. They aren't joking when they say "In the grim darkness of the future, there is only war." Terra (Earth) is basically the last holdout of the human species and every person left alive is a warrior. They don't stop to procreate
The more notable Marines are usually the direct clones, while the rest are copies of them, etc.Blizzard, you failed. You could've made one of the greatest games of all time and instead you made Warcraft.
Well at least I can still dream of a W40K MMO
Well at least I can still dream of a W40K MMO
What version of WoW have YOU been playing? They completely redid Azeroth with Cataclysm.Evil Alpaca said:
What. I admit I haven't really read much of the War40K lore, but I did read the Space Wolf books and played the Dawn of War games. Unless something changed since those, they acquired their Space Marines from homeworlds. The Space Wolves recruited warriors from what amounted to Viking-era villages, longboats and all.Clearing the Eye said:
How are they clones if they recruit from that? :|
This has been old news in Warhammer circles for a LONG time. however the more people that know blizzard borrowed a lot from Warhammer and 40K the better.
Space Marines aren't actually clones. They are pre pubescent males who are then put through a rigorous series of training and implanted with superior organs. The reason they look so similar is due to the Gene Seed organ which changes the body's genetic code slightly to allow it to cope with the third lung and the extra heart and so on and so forth.Amnestic said:
If they don't procreate then how do you explain the Imperial Guard? Hoards of unaugmented humans armed with what amounts to a laser pointed and a cardboard jacket?Clearing the Eye said:
Azeroth may have been redone but not that many of the end game bosses. You still fight Raganaros and Nefarian, Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman.Amnestic said:
Cataclysm did revamp many of the leveling zones, but the end game content felt recycled. Same with the new PvP. The new battlegrounds were just Arathi basin and Warsong Gulch with 10 and 15 player caps. Shadowfang Keep seemed like a decent job of reusing previous source material. You weren't fighting the same bosses nor were the boss fights similar to the replaced one.
As for Space Marines; You're right, they're not clones. They are selected youths who are implanted with the gene seed which is derived from primarchs which are themselves derived from the Emperor. Hence why certain space Marine chapters like the Space Wolves have different senses than the Blood Angels.
Except for Burning Crusade putting in a whole new world, Wrath of the Lich King adding a new continent, and Cataclysm radically changing everything from zone quests to cities to faction leaders. And all of those expansions first adding to talent trees then being major revamps.Evil Alpaca said:
For better or worse, Blizzard has continuously changed WoW. Hell that's one of the biggest complaints so many people have against it. Every time a new expansion is released there's hordes of "Game sucks now. Leaving." and/or "Thank god they changed this."
There are a lot of different forms of parody and satire. I personally blame mainstream entertainment for starting the myth that the only form of parody is the absurdist parody (see your own thinking with the pandas as parody).Karadalis said:
Parody/Satire and seriousness are not mutually exclusive, if anything they are complementary. The best examples I could give are two UK shows, Yes (Prime) Minister which is a satirical comedy that is still serious and deeply insightful 30 years after it's airing, and House of Cards another political show, a drama, that is a dark parody, and also very insightful and serious.
Warhammer 40k for example is partly absurdist satire of the space opera genre, and partly dark comedy satire of the bright future trope. If you look at a lot of what they've got in the backstory you see a lot of references to our own history, only twisted and distorted to the worst possible outcome.
Warhammer (and 40k) are much deeper then they are given credit for, but they are also parodies of existing genres, you just have to look at them beyond the skindeep "holy crap it's a chainsaw sword" stuff.
Yes we are all very much aware of that. Warhammer fans make a point of reminding us ever f*ing chance they get, to the point that I want to smack them every single goddamned time.Cognimancer said:
Some chapters of the Space Marines recruit, but the recruits undergo gene therapy that more or less alters their DNA to the point of clone. Other chapters are just flat out clones that are created and trained from infancy to be soldiers. The primarch (leaders) of all the major chapters (there's thousands of smaller chapters) are all direct clones of The Emperor, though.Amnestic said:
This. Old, old, old news.Worgen said:
In other news, the Earth actually orbits the sun and not the other way around!
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