SonicKoala said:
Bright_Raven said:
Wardog13 said:
Bright_Raven said:
Yeah, look at the death toll sparky.
And yet america still lost...
death toll =/= points. war is judged through which side ultimately wins the conflict, who captures the most resources, who ends with more than they started with. the Vietcong won that war, their side now controls Vietnam.
How much of Vietnam does the side that america backed control, sparky?
The "victory" in Vietnam for the Vietnamese was a fantastic example of a phyrric victory - sure, the Vietnamese "won" (technically), but their country had been completely destroyed by the constant bombing raids by the Americans. They lost well over a million people, and thousands of acres of farm land was rendered useless by the use of agent orange. Not to mention the enduring legacy of the "bombies" (unexploded landmines) that fell in parts of Vietnam and Laos which remain a problem to this very day. The Vietnamese were the true losers of the Vietnam war.
Im not so sure they were the true losers. Sure they lost a lot of men, but they defied a superpower, killed some 60 thousand americans and wounded some 300 000. For a country so poor and undeveloped its a miracle they survived that long, not to mention there also being the English and French who attacked N. Vietnam. In truth, are the Americans not losers for destroying a whole nation and all its peoples lives, and also destroying the lives of some 350 000 of its citizens, by fighting a war against a meagre force while using top notch technology, just because of different idealism? - and then even retreating and letting the whole thing go for nothing, i think both sides were the losers, one side lost its integrity and dignity, while the other lost lives and buildings.