Totally agreed. I thought that that scene was utter genius, and far more effective than it would have been if they'd have ended it with a bloodbath. The great thing about it is that while you can pick it apart and see dozens of clues as to what's happening, if you just watch and don't think about it, it's set up in such a way that your brain can interpret what's happening, almost by Pavlovian response. God I love that scene.tkmachine said:I like how everybody complains about the Sopranos finale like it was just some random capricious directorial thing to do.
Go back and watch the final scene closely. Pay attention to what it is doing. It ends the way it does for a reason.
Rocksa said:Speed Grapher's ending wasn't all that depressing. Saiga did end up on a sweet note, albeit he did lose something that he really loved, he gained something else that he really loved. It was bittersweet.Therumancer said:There have also been some truely depressing endings to anime series (Speed Grapher being the most memorable example in fairly recent memory). Anime having this nasty tendency to totally ruin itself in the last couple of episodes. I guess like a Steven King novel it does leave you guessing at times.
But yeah.
SG-1 had a really terrible ending. I know the movies wrapped some things up, but the ending for the series, the last episode, well it sucked. Didn't wrap anything up, didn't solve anything, just did some weird crap with timetravel and then told you to piss off because it was over.
Big-O was also pretty bad. It was a pretty nice series up until the end, and then it all fell apart into WTF REALLY?
Dilly sez that series should have kept going.Christemo said:dare i say courage: the cowardly dog?
Yeah that really pissed me off too. I wanted them to get away, but now they have fucked the story all to hell.Cpt_Oblivious said:Prison Break: Series 2.
As far as I'm concerned they got on the boat with the girl and the money and lived happily ever after.
They won't, and as a matter of fact, they have already outstaged their welcome. Apparently their little community of writers doesn't really know how to communicate with each other. The show rocked when it was full of mystery and you still hoped they were going somewhere with this, but at about half way through S3 it became pretty obvious that they have absolutely no clue what to do with the story and have no intention of explaining anything in any satisfying manner. It clearly suffers from X-Files syndrome, another show where they fiddled around with a massive convoluted plot regarding some sort of conspiracy, for like 8 seasons, until they realized that they had no fucking clue what they are talking about and just had everyone involved in it getting killed by aliens or abducted or something, I don't even remember, within 1 hilarious episode and rebooted the whole storyline with zero explanations, which then became about something completely different that noone gave a fuck about, so the series died.Hamster at Dawn said:I know it's not going to be out for another year but the series finale of Lost is almost certainly going to be absolutely diabolical. I actually like Lost but there's no way the ending could be good. If they manage to make it average then I'll be officially impressed.
I don't agree with you here. I reckon that Sid and Cassie's story isn't through yet and I'm hoping they return at some point or a spinoff is done with them, but otherwise, I quite like the idea of the new cast and everything. Especially the storyline with Emily and Naomi, and the way they approached that and JJ's autism.Wislong said:Skins Series 2, Why'd they have to go and ruin such a good thing?
Damn, you brought logic into this one. Yeah, I see your point, looking at the broader scope of everything it does end up being pretty depressing. Most of the characters end up happy, but the ways in which they end up happy are usually pretty depressing. The cop lady (cannot think of her name) finds love but ends up torturing sick and helpless people more or less, the editor loses his best photographer, the thug, as you mentioned, while happy is doing exactly what Suitengu fought against. Yes, the list goes on. Yeah, it is pretty depressing.Therumancer said:Rocksa said:Speed Grapher's ending wasn't all that depressing. Saiga did end up on a sweet note, albeit he did lose something that he really loved, he gained something else that he really loved. It was bittersweet.Therumancer said:There have also been some truely depressing endings to anime series (Speed Grapher being the most memorable example in fairly recent memory). Anime having this nasty tendency to totally ruin itself in the last couple of episodes. I guess like a Steven King novel it does leave you guessing at times.
But yeah.
SG-1 had a really terrible ending. I know the movies wrapped some things up, but the ending for the series, the last episode, well it sucked. Didn't wrap anything up, didn't solve anything, just did some weird crap with timetravel and then told you to piss off because it was over.
Big-O was also pretty bad. It was a pretty nice series up until the end, and then it all fell apart into WTF REALLY?
Oh yes, I forgot about Big-O. But that falls under the catagory of "so wierd that no answer they could possibly give would make people happy". I've heard it argued that his brief apperance in the real world where his adventures are that of a comic character was sort of supposed to explain the ending in a rather depressing fashion.
As far as SG-1 goes, I think the point was that they planned to milk the series for a lot more based on spin offs and movies, though they needless to say met with mixed results since the movies weren't all that good, and Atlantis didn't seem to be able to sustain it on it's own and burned out. I at least understand their purpose with that one.
Speed Grapher is a real "downer" of an ending because of the whole resolution beyond Saiga. It's like this, the bad guy manages to pull off a modification of the "Goldfinger" plan from James Bond. Instead of decimation of just the US, he effectively starts a domino effect destablizing the world. This of course on the heels of a mass murder of all of Japans leading politicians (who were portrayed as putzes) and all of the "innocent" sex workers
and such he had in his club.
Of course this is for no purpose because his remaining thug is of course building a financial empire which is ironically just like the one that victimized Mr. Suitengu from
the begining and is going to build a "giant skyskrayper in his honor" which intentionally misses the point of what it's all about.
Saiga gets his jailbait, but loses his sight which is arguably the one thing that personally mattered to him. This after being beat down by the aforementioned main bad guy in the final confrontation. He only wasn't killed because apparently this was viewed as being a fate worse than death for him.
So basically you can say Saiga's situation is somewhat mixed, but basically you saw a complete failure of what he was trying to do, planetary decimation as a result of his failure, and of course the overall purpose behind that planetary decimation fails making it all for nothing. Just global misery for the sake of global misery. The ending note about Suitengus Leiutenant intended to be unusually ironic.
Trust me, that was a horrendously depressing ending.
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Yup, I live in America, and I'm talking about the American version. The British version's ending made much more sense, if a little more morbid.stinkychops said:No he didn't he killed himself.hagaya said:Life on Mars. The guy got in a car accident and was sent back to 1973, then after a season of really good shows, the last episode came as a punch in the face. He did what he did, then he went back. He woke up, it was a dream.
Thats only a little of the bullshit; its 2020 or something, and that was just a simulated dream to pass two years to get to Mars. He, along with all the other characters, were scientists on a mission to find life on Mars. The car crash resulted in a malfunction to the simulator making him go back to everyone else's sequence. The entire series was proven to go nowhere and it made me fell that I didn't need to watch the entire series.
Did you watch the American version?