Worst Video Game Tutorial
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While I cannot disagree on the "Interview" being ridiculously hard, there is a training mode on the main menu that included a ghost that shows all the tricks.Ihateregistering1 said:
You have to admit though, that forcing the player to learn those manoeuvres right from the start made it possible to beat those hard as nails missions at all. That tutorial was FAR from the hardest part of the game, and after actually scraping my battered and twisted wreck of a car successfully through to the end of the story, on reflection it was the know-how I was forced to demonstrate in the tutorial that proved invaluable in making that happen.necromanzer52 said:
San Andreas is pretty bad I think mainly because every mission until you get out of Los Santos has a bit of tutorial in it and it gets rather annoying, especially when you've played it multiple times. I understand you shouldn't dump all that at once but you shouldn't spread it out so either.
Y'know, I have the vague impression of people saying that they've enjoyed Turok: Dinosaur Hunter for the N64, but my recollection is that of a game that made me feel as though I just could not play 1st person perspective, and actively shunned games from such a perspective for about 10 years or so.
I'm still not totally over it. I never even got to a part where I killed a dinosaur because my scrub ass couldn't deal with the platofrming in 3D, 1st-Person AND N64 controls all at once.
...Heheh, it's funny, most of the games from my childhood were M-rated. The first game I ever played was Mortal Kombat II, for the SNES. I was 4. My dad had a friend who could get Liu Kang's torso to turn into a dragon and bite the other dude's head off before the match even started. Bitchin'.
I'm still not totally over it. I never even got to a part where I killed a dinosaur because my scrub ass couldn't deal with the platofrming in 3D, 1st-Person AND N64 controls all at once.
...Heheh, it's funny, most of the games from my childhood were M-rated. The first game I ever played was Mortal Kombat II, for the SNES. I was 4. My dad had a friend who could get Liu Kang's torso to turn into a dragon and bite the other dude's head off before the match even started. Bitchin'.
Any recent Bethesda open-world RPG.
Skyrim and Fallout 3, for example, is full of noob pitfalls. I'm fairly certain that -at least- 70% of players attacked the first chicken they saw in Riverwood in Skyrim or stole a can of beans in Megaton, and got immediately lynched by the town mob.
Tell me I am wrong.
Skyrim and Fallout 3, for example, is full of noob pitfalls. I'm fairly certain that -at least- 70% of players attacked the first chicken they saw in Riverwood in Skyrim or stole a can of beans in Megaton, and got immediately lynched by the town mob.
Tell me I am wrong.
Don't Starve's tutorial. All you get for a tutorial is the game's name; Don't Starve. Well, that's not fair, because once you're transported to the strange wilderness world, you do get a few words of advice from the game's main villain, Maxwell, who says "Say pal, you don't look so good. You'd better find something to eat before night comes." You wake up, the clock starts ticking, and all this without even so much as knowing the controls. You very quickly learn why night time is bad, and you suffer a permanent death to your character. That's what makes the game great though is finding out what to do without any hand-holding. The "tutorial" is still hilariously thin though and I love it.
Honorable mention has to go to The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion's tutorial. By itself, it's actually a fantastic tutorial, explanatory, fun, and has interwoven story elements. The only trouble is when you start the game on the hardest possible difficulty, it literally is the hardest part of the game to get through, because everything is tougher than nails and hits your squishy prison-***** body like a truck. You're supposed to rely on running away from danger and using summoned minions because they don't suffer your difficulty penalties to get through the entire game. You're far too weak to take anything on toe-to-toe. You have no summons in the tutorial, and you're stuck in enclosed caves with enemies.
Honorable mention has to go to The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion's tutorial. By itself, it's actually a fantastic tutorial, explanatory, fun, and has interwoven story elements. The only trouble is when you start the game on the hardest possible difficulty, it literally is the hardest part of the game to get through, because everything is tougher than nails and hits your squishy prison-***** body like a truck. You're supposed to rely on running away from danger and using summoned minions because they don't suffer your difficulty penalties to get through the entire game. You're far too weak to take anything on toe-to-toe. You have no summons in the tutorial, and you're stuck in enclosed caves with enemies.
Oh there were some tough missions in that game all right. But the tutorial was the only one that made me ragequit. Possibly because you don't even unlock "take a drive" mode until you actually get into the real game, so if you're stuck on a regular mission, you can go fuck about for a while to relax before trying it again.Squilookle said:
What was bad about it? It explains the controls and most mechanics of the game(not all like weapon scaling) without breaking the flow of the game. That's an achievement in my opinion. Developers should learn from it.insaninater said:
And if you were playing the game with keyboard and mouse you can rebind all the keys in the menu so that kind of explains all the controls.
Now you've made me curious honestly. Both copy's I own allow Take a Drive from the gett-go in the first 2 city's.necromanzer52 said:
Or are my vague memories of there being a forced interview true? If so, might be a version diffirence.
Right. Just fired up my game there and turns out I was wrong. (Though I'm glad to see the opening cutscene still looks really good). But anyway, I distinctly remember having much more trouble with the tutorial than any other mission.0takuMetalhead said:
Can't disagree on the difficulty. But then again, most games in the series are known for really stupid difficulty spikes.necromanzer52 said:
I'm well aware of that - and its a good thing as well, otherwise I'd really call it a stupid design choice - but there is *zero* reason not to have a pause function offline. Yeah, it's not outrageously inconvenient but why should I have to constantly quit and reload the game if someone is calling me, or the house is burning down? There's a reason the pause function exists in the first place!Gundam GP01 said:
If it's like the souls game it was built around being played online and playing offline is just something they aren't baring you from doing. I don't think they want you to be able to pause and think in fights either although yes having no pause button is inconvenient at times.Dragonlayer said:
But why do you need to do that? Yeah it is functionally the same as a pause button, but given you /can/ do that, why not just have a pause button, rather than forcing the player to go through menus and a loading screen there and back, just because he wants to go for a piss?Gundam GP01 said:
It tells you the xbox controls (which means it /doesn't/ tell you the controls)and that is it. It doesn't explain jack shit about the mechanics of the game. Having to check the bindings menu for all the controls, because the controls the game tells you are wrong is clearly sodding breaking flow, isn't it?SquallTheBlade said:
Or the Developers could've not been incredibly fucking lazy and changed the tutorial prompts to the PC controls and not just left it?SquallTheBlade said:
Which should be enough because you are most likely going to play the game with a controller.elvor0 said:
Give me an example of a mechanic that it doesn't explain and which you couldn't figure out. Other than weapon scaling because that I can admit it doesn't explain at all.
Okay true but that's what you get for playing the game without a controller.
Just play with a controller.
Stop just saying the same thing, you're just validating a developer being being shoddy and lazy.SquallTheBlade said:
The very fact that I /can/ play with a controller doesn't excuse the controls being total dogshite. Don't excuse the developer for being lazy, they didn't try at all. If you're going to release a game on the PC, the very least you can do is make sure the its native controls work properly. It is a game I purchased for the PC, I shouldn't NEED to go buy a controller to have a reasonable experience. Nevermind that awful inventory UI. Whoever designed that should be shot.
On mechanics, it would easier to just say none. There is no mechanic they do explain, so I can't give you an example of something they don't. I'm not being facitious, I honestly do NOT remember having any core mechanics of the game explained to me.
Weapon scaling, the Magic System, what any of the sodding icons mean in the inventory, the crafting system is a complete crapshoot unless you check the wiki (which isn't a validation by the way), the poise system, /any/ indication of how important humanity is, just off the top of my head. Again, the very fact that I am astute enough to figure most of the game out(still had to dick about on wikis for certain things though), doesn't validate the game being completely devoid of anything resembling some sort of vague tutorial system, someone might not be astute enough, or just newer to those types of games; lacking the years of experience a lot of gamers have when diving into a new game.
But they are fine with a controller.elvor0 said:
You mean controller? Playing on a PC is not a excuse to not play with a controller games that require one.
I'd say you should. Using a controller makes most games much better(not including FPSs, RTSs or MOBAs)
What's wrong with it? I never had any difficulty.
Bonfires, humanity/hollow, Estus Flasks are some of the first things that are being explained that come to mind.
I never looked for wiki about crafting. The first blacksmith explains everything you need to know about crafting if you just talk to him.
Merchants that sell magic related stuff explain everything you need to know about magic.
Honestly, did you even talk to the NPCs at all? They tell you a lot of useful stuff.
The souls games has little in the ways of tutorials, but those games get a pass because that's the nature of the games. Also, I'm a raging fanboy. But worst tutorial has to be the Witcher 2. Before you even have any idea of how the combat works, you're thrown into veritable noob grinder, instantly outnumbered by enemies that kill you in a few hits. And that's not even the only offense of the tutorial. In a subsequent segment, you're on a burning bridge that practically instakills you unless you do the correct thing immediately. And there's enemies on the bridge that prevents you from doing just that. AND I'M STILL NOT DONE. Then there's a sudden quicktime event, without warning, that instakills you if you fail to react. I have never died that many times in a fucking tutorial before. For such a great game, I've no idea how they managed to fuck up a tutorial that bad. It's much better now, but it was pure shit at release.