Would you use a teleporter?

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Iron Lightning

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Only if it's the sort of teleporter that works by warping space and not by rearranging or energizing matter. Even a temporary halting of consciousness kills the subject. Of course, this fact is hard to demonstrate since a perfect teleporter would recreate a copy organism that would behave just as the original organism. Teleportation via warping space should be possible and easier than the other method and has the added benefit of not killing the teleportee.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
By all conventional knowledge, teleporting a living being should be impossible to do, and is basically the same as being able to create new life.
No It isn't. You aren't creating life, merely "moving" it. You wouldn't be able to make a new person appear without the original template. Saying that teleportation is creating life is like me saying I created your post by quoting it.
 

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OT well, yes. i don't believe in any sort of "soul", i believe we are a construct of molecules working in a fantastically complex way, and even if the teleporting process was simply to scan my molecules and then send this data to another transporter which then rebuilds me using the same molecules (any molecule of any particular pure substance is identical, at least that is if i understood me chemistry class correctly) in the exact same structure, and then disintegrating the first me, i'd still do it, because, from my point of view, all that happened is i moved from one place to another.
I'll just restate my earlier point - it's not about "soul", it's about the specific energy states and vectors of each of your molecules. If you take all the information about the arrangement of the particles in your body and use it to recreate the body in another place, you'll end up with just a dead corpse. Unless you come up with a teleporter which also records the energy states and vectors of each molecule and bestows them upon the substrate molecules at the destination - and does it in a fantastically short amount of time, because any error in relative vectors might have grave consequences - there's no way you can do it in a way you say it'd work.

And frankly, I don't think we'd ever reach the level of technology required for the sheer amount of processing power (EDIT: and energy!) needed for such a device to work.

Ah, and to finish off any "soul/non-soul" based arguments - the concept of soul as present in the Western culture posits that it is not a physical entity, and therefore you can just as successfully argue that it would "jump" from one body to another as that you would "sever its connection" to the body. So let's drop it.
 

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Probably not because by my theory, your original gets destroyed, and a clone is made. I don't want to die! o0

duchaked said:
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Sheldon says so...
hahahaaa /thread

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HOLY CRAP.

Yeah, I devised that theory kinda myself but like 5 years ago... Seems that some people think alike o0.
 

Mr. Mxyzptlk

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i'd use it, but only if i was really really old, in case the whole deatomization thingy means dying and being created again
 

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Ruffythepirate said:
AccursedTheory said:
By all conventional knowledge, teleporting a living being should be impossible to do, and is basically the same as being able to create new life.
No It isn't. You aren't creating life, merely "moving" it. You wouldn't be able to make a new person appear without the original template. Saying that teleportation is creating life is like me saying I created your post by quoting it.
Yes, you are, because in the process of teleportation, you are typically rendered down into either data or molecular components, both of which would result in the destruction of your body, which would KILL YOU. That's first off.

Now, what is formed on the other end would basically be the same as you. It 'should' even have all your memories. But ultimately, anything formed on the other end would be dead, as there is no method of creating multicelllular 'life' today, or in the future. What would come out the other end would be you, but with no 'spark,' as they say. It would be a carbon copy of you, only dead.

And even assuming that they can breath life back into you, like some mythical golem... is it REALLY you? Remember, you were turned into atoms back there. Just because they reformed into an identical copy doesn't mean its YOU. At least not by my definition of self.
 

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The Real Sandman said:
Teleportation in theory sounds awesome, but I don't think I'd ever use it.

Haha, damn brilliant movie.

Sure I would give using a teleporter a try, if I had seen someone else do it...and watched them for the next few years to see if they were ok...
 

godofallu

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I would. It kind of seems like an airplane to me.

At first i'm all like yeah... if this thing breaks I am so going to die a horrible death. But then im like well... everyone else uses them and statistically it's safer than most things i do.
 

Vault101

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I've seen the fly I and I dunno this stuff seems dangerous, also I think in a star trek movie there was some kind of accident with a teleporter and two redshirts died (I think it was first contact)
 

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Death God said:
Depends on how many people try it before me and came out fine. But I'd still probably go even if I was the first.
Ah, but even if people did come out seeming perfectly fine, what if they were just copying the information of your atoms and reproducing it somewhere else? It'd be a perfect clone, but the original you (your consciousness right now) would be terminated. There'd be no difference to anyone else though.

Warp some space for me please. I like my atoms set up the way they are.

 

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AccursedTheory said:
The teleporter challenges the very notion of death really. By all conventional knowledge, teleporting a living being should be impossible to do, and is basically the same as being able to create new life (Something which is impossible as of today, at least on a multicellular creature).

So no, I would not, as the 'thing' coming out on the other side would not be me.
But are you really you ten seconds from now? Or do you just constantly inherit memories from someone who just stopped existing, which creates an illusion of a continuous existence? You are in constant motion after all and you couldn't tell the difference if every molecule and atom in your body was changed right now.

The only difference to teleportation would be that you'd never know you "died". How do you know that isn't already happening to you every second?
 

AdmiralMemo

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Alright, people... Just go read The Physics of Star Trek by Lawrence Krauss. It'll solve most of your questions.
 

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Axeli said:
AccursedTheory said:
The teleporter challenges the very notion of death really. By all conventional knowledge, teleporting a living being should be impossible to do, and is basically the same as being able to create new life (Something which is impossible as of today, at least on a multicellular creature).

So no, I would not, as the 'thing' coming out on the other side would not be me.
But are you really you ten seconds from now? Or do you just constantly inherit memories from someone who just stopped existing, which creates an illusion of a continuous existence? You are in constant motion after all and you couldn't tell the difference if every molecule and atom in your body was changed right now.

The only difference to teleportation would be that you'd never know you "died". How do you know that isn't already happening to you every second?
Imagine this: What if the teleporter didn't have to destroy you on one end to create you on the other? So... now there are two yous? Or is that a COPY of you?

Thats the difference between continued existence and the stop/start you describe. In one, no matter what, one is linked to his 'future' self and that self alone. In teleportation, just a small tweak will result in a separation between 'self' and the duplicate of 'self.'
 

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Most definitely yes! Now, of course, i'll want to see extensive with transporting highly complex organic structures before i step into one. But i will not hesitate afterwards.

My greatest concern is the device's inability to scan and/or reconstruct my body correctly. Most importantly - synapses. Most other changes can be negligible - a hundred eritrocytes here or there are insignificant, but miswiring my brain... yeah, no thanks.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Axeli said:
AccursedTheory said:
The teleporter challenges the very notion of death really. By all conventional knowledge, teleporting a living being should be impossible to do, and is basically the same as being able to create new life (Something which is impossible as of today, at least on a multicellular creature).

So no, I would not, as the 'thing' coming out on the other side would not be me.
But are you really you ten seconds from now? Or do you just constantly inherit memories from someone who just stopped existing, which creates an illusion of a continuous existence? You are in constant motion after all and you couldn't tell the difference if every molecule and atom in your body was changed right now.

The only difference to teleportation would be that you'd never know you "died". How do you know that isn't already happening to you every second?
Imagine this: What if the teleporter didn't have to destroy you on one end to create you on the other? So... now there are two yous? Or is that a COPY of you?

Thats the difference between continued existence and the stop/start you describe. In one, no matter what, one is linked to his 'future' self and that self alone. In teleportation, just a small tweak will result in a separation between 'self' and the duplicate of 'self.'
However, both selves will initially perceive themselves as the one and only. The destination one will think that the process worked perfectly, the source one will think that it failed. Aside from some bureaucratic issues, i don't see a problem with this.
 

Twilight_guy

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I would use the incredibly inefficient matter stream version (after extensive testing) but not the kind that disintegrates you in one place and clones you in another. That shit scares the hell out of me and if the thing doesn't work properly there are either 2 or zero of you.