WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf

[viranimus]

LOL really? this has kept going?

In this day and age of UI mods allowing 10+ rows with 10+ layers of hotkeys its a good thing no one brought up assigning repetitive text/chat commands to hotkeys in advance or the inherent latency and lack of clarity in VOIP transmissions else this arrangement of efficency would all have been kinda pointless.

What I do agree with is the notion of only having half the story. Upon being pointed out by others it is made fairly clear that he initially wasnt kicked out of the guild, his role in the guild was just effectively neutered. And it does seem, at least from the verbiage that the action of ejection was stemming from the deaf kids reaction more than his disability. Cant say as I would blame the deaf kid for his reaction, but as has been pointed out we only have one side of the story and honestly the deaf kid could have been acting like more of a tool than the GL.

Honestly I guess its all irrelevant cause well never really know, will we?

 

[Danceofmasks]

Even in a Survival situation, and this doesn't perfectly to the story, but does fit with what I'm trying to say; If you have a group of 10 people, and one gets crippled (lost of senses, broken bones, disease, etc.), the nine left will feel that they should not abandon a comrade because of a moral, but do know they will not be able to survive or will be slowed down significantly by keeping this crippled person with them. What will they pick? The noble action? Or the action that will save the lives of the nine left?

In such a situation, the logical choice is to discard the liability.

However, I'm not convinced the deaf kid is equivalent to a cripple in this case .. and this here may have been a contributing factor to the blowout.

He's obviously not new at the game, he can still play the game, AND he's been on raids before.

It boils down to reactions.
Being unable to get instantaneous instructions via voice can be an issue, sure ... but a good player will have a fairly good idea what to expect anyway.
If you're ready and primed to do something, actual execution doesn't take very long .. so long as you can take cues from what everyone else is doing.

So, taking the survival analogy, someone broke his leg. Oh, he may slow us down ... but if you know he's an awesome shot you're going to keep him around.

Since the guild in question "isn't that good anyway" at raiding, it's likely the roster would have been FAR from the best.

If I had to hazard a guess, the blowout may have started due to a reaction similar to, "are you serious?! You let @#$%! Jones raid but not me 'cos I can't use vent? I'm a way better player than he is!"

What IS certain, deafness is NOT the core of this issue. 'cos IF it had been clear that the deafness is a severe disadvantage, then the deaf kid would be a moron in ADDITION to being deaf.

The bottom line is, for those who have missed it, this kid WANTS TO RAID.
That means, he isn't playing this game "just for fun."

 

[RaikuFA]

Somebody gift this man Team Fortress 2: The game which has equal opportunity for the sensory-imparied.

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agree with this soooooo much. ive never had a problem with a TF2 player acting like a WoW player. and if they did, theyd get kicked

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

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Well, yeah, there is that at least. Too bad you odnt hear as many good stories as you do bad about gaming. Makes everyone involved seem to be massively outlandish pricks.

If there's one notion I do agree with in the defences offered, its that the pricks that be are only a segment of a community. The problem is that they poison the well for everyone involved, because it creates a cloud and negative atmosphere over everything.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Well, that wasnt really against you. I mean, I agree, to a point you sympathize but he could have moved on. Its just you posted it so flat out and I thought I'd post as a more general opinion to people saying he shouldnt be so thin skinned over a game. So that wasnt at you, just as a general statement that I'm going to take crap for I come almost for see with certainty without intending to flame bait or troll.

Life just happens like that I guess.

 

[Jadak]

Hardly a big deal, for plenty of "serious" guilds, voice chat is mandatory. I'd be kicked out all the same for not using it. It's a game, not a job. Nobody has to make any effort to accommodate him.

 

[Arehexes]

And with this being the representative, I will find bliss in my ignorance.

Fair enough. I'll go ahead and assume all your points are irelevant then.

The important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior.

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

I dont think the fact that its a game applies to him. I think its more that he found a place of understanding after being ostracized, and then was ostracized again. With the "victim" I get it cause its more psychologically hurtful then anything else. Besides, he said he just watned to vent. Not like he was calling for blood or anything.

But yeah, a game's a game. Though Is till think its wrong to ostracize someone like that.

It is, but that seems to be a minority opinion.

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

My opinion is based on that statement the deaf kid made, from what this says either the deaf kid is wrong, or the guild leader is wrong. We don't know, and his is very one sided. And if you think it's wrong to ostracize someone then wow could you help me, some nasty trolls from gamefaqs mocked me for my lisp I had on a Lets Play I was making.

He isn't the only one who was shunned or mocked for a problem he can't help, different people have different problems but they all get shunned one way or another THAT'S LIFE(if they can help it or not).

He isn't the only one to lose friends (I lost my childhood friends cause I was black and they weren't when we got older), or to be shunned (I was the "white" kid at my mostly black high school, and I'm black if you didn't guess from my avatar).

Stop putting this kid on a freaking pedistool, and just because YOU don't see this as anything more then a game doesn't mean someone else doesn't. I know people who can't go on without World of Warcraft, it's like a drug for them. We should all follow your example cause it seems your views should be everyone views from your attitude. But I bet you won't respond to this, why would you I bet you feel like your better then me. Because you can give pity to someone you never met, who could have been a ass to his guild master but we only have his word for it.

 

[Fatalistic]

Even in a Survival situation, and this doesn't perfectly to the story, but does fit with what I'm trying to say; If you have a group of 10 people, and one gets crippled (lost of senses, broken bones, disease, etc.), the nine left will feel that they should not abandon a comrade because of a moral, but do know they will not be able to survive or will be slowed down significantly by keeping this crippled person with them. What will they pick? The noble action? Or the action that will save the lives of the nine left?

In such a situation, the logical choice is to discard the liability.

However, I'm not convinced the deaf kid is equivalent to a cripple in this case .. and this here may have been a contributing factor to the blowout.

He's obviously not new at the game, he can still play the game, AND he's been on raids before.

It boils down to reactions.
Being unable to get instantaneous instructions via voice can be an issue, sure ... but a good player will have a fairly good idea what to expect anyway.
If you're ready and primed to do something, actual execution doesn't take very long .. so long as you can take cues from what everyone else is doing.

So, taking the survival analogy, someone broke his leg. Oh, he may slow us down ... but if you know he's an awesome shot you're going to keep him around.

Since the guild in question "isn't that good anyway" at raiding, it's likely the roster would have been FAR from the best.

If I had to hazard a guess, the blowout may have started due to a reaction similar to, "are you serious?! You let @#$%! Jones raid but not me 'cos I can't use vent? I'm a way better player than he is!"

What IS certain, deafness is NOT the core of this issue. 'cos IF it had been clear that the deafness is a severe disadvantage, then the deaf kid would be a moron in ADDITION to being deaf.

The bottom line is, for those who have missed it, this kid WANTS TO RAID.
That means, he isn't playing this game "just for fun."

Good points.
Also, he did state that he's not totally deaf, he has lots of trouble hearing... But he can still hear. Depending on the accident, he could get a hearing aid to help him. It's not a totally loss of sensory input.

 

[Kortney]

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Well, that wasnt really against you. I mean, I agree, to a point you sympathize but he could have moved on. Its just you posted it so flat out and I thought I'd post as a more general opinion to people saying he shouldnt be so thin skinned over a game. So that wasnt at you, just as a general statement that I'm going to take crap for I come almost for see with certainty without intending to flame bait or troll.

Life just happens like that I guess.

Yeah I understand.

Another thing that a few too many have been ignoring is that we don't really know what went on here. He could of been politely told to sit out on a raid due to his hearing (something I don't agree with, but I can understand because WoW is serious business) and he could of then proceeded to flame the guild and get himself kicked. The way he writes gives me vibes that he isn't telling the unbiased truth.

But, then again, they could of acted like major dicks and kicked him for no reason. If thats the case, he should move on.

That's just my nature though - I struggle to take the side of the person who is moaning without evidence. But I repeat, I do empathise with the man, and if I had to take a side it would be with the deaf man.

 

[Arehexes]

LOL really? this has kept going?

In this day and age of UI mods allowing 10+ rows with 10+ layers of hotkeys its a good thing no one brought up assigning repetitive text/chat commands to hotkeys in advance or the inherent latency and lack of clarity in VOIP transmissions else this arrangement of efficency would all have been kinda pointless.

What I do agree with is the notion of only having half the story. Upon being pointed out by others it is made fairly clear that he initially wasnt kicked out of the guild, his role in the guild was just effectively neutered. And it does seem, at least from the verbiage that the action of ejection was stemming from the deaf kids reaction more than his disability. Cant say as I would blame the deaf kid for his reaction, but as has been pointed out we only have one side of the story and honestly the deaf kid could have been acting like more of a tool than the GL.

Honestly I guess its all irrelevant cause well never really know, will we?

Nor anyone on the deaf kid said asking about it, it's automatically the guild masters fault. we don't know what happened T_T.

 

[Salem_Wolf]

Ha.
This deaf guy wants to get even he should go make his own guild. Don't get sad, get mad, and then go excel at the game in your own way without the other bunch of losers.

Actually, he did form his own guild.

thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrent

Well what disability do you have, is it not being able to read a whole comment. I'm still waiting on your thoughts on this

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

well?

Wait are you directing this at me? If so I never got the notification for it in my inbox. So, uh, it's why I ask. That and it's hard to tell since...well hell just covering my bases.

 

[Arehexes]

Ha.
This deaf guy wants to get even he should go make his own guild. Don't get sad, get mad, and then go excel at the game in your own way without the other bunch of losers.

Actually, he did form his own guild.

thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrent

Well what disability do you have, is it not being able to read a whole comment. I'm still waiting on your thoughts on this

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

well?

Wait are you directing this at me? If so I never got the notification for it in my inbox. So, uh, it's why I ask.

wait, why did you get the notification...sorry I dind't mean to direct that at you, it was ment for RaikuFA and I was sure I click on his thing to quote (as you can tell from the cascading quotes). Sorry if there was mix up

 

[RaikuFA]

Ha.
This deaf guy wants to get even he should go make his own guild. Don't get sad, get mad, and then go excel at the game in your own way without the other bunch of losers.

Actually, he did form his own guild.

thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrent

Well what disability do you have, is it not being able to read a whole comment. I'm still waiting on your thoughts on this

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

well?

Wait are you directing this at me? If so I never got the notification for it in my inbox. So, uh, it's why I ask. That and it's hard to tell since...well hell just covering my bases.

i believe it was towards me

 

[Salem_Wolf]

Ha.
This deaf guy wants to get even he should go make his own guild. Don't get sad, get mad, and then go excel at the game in your own way without the other bunch of losers.

Actually, he did form his own guild.

thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrent

Well what disability do you have, is it not being able to read a whole comment. I'm still waiting on your thoughts on this

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

well?

Wait are you directing this at me? If so I never got the notification for it in my inbox. So, uh, it's why I ask.

wait, why did you get the notification...sorry I dind't mean to direct that at you, it was ment for RaikuFA and I was sure I click on his thing to quote (as you can tell from the cascading quotes). Sorry if there was mix up

Oh! No I didn't get a notification but it kind of sounded like you may have been directing that at me. I just didn't want to avoid answering you if you were discussing something, I personally hate it when someone doesn't respond. Though it sounded somewhat sarcastic. Haha, but no worries no mix-up just making sure!

Edit: Just wanted to add it was my idiocy that made me wonder if it was directed at me or not, heh, sorry.

 

[black-magic]

Guilds need vent, it's a fact, it's not a social aspect or a DBM problem, it's about co-ordination. Sorry about your problem buddy, but it is what it is.

 

[smithy_2045]

Why can't he just join another guild that is more relaxed about such things?

 

[RaikuFA]

Why can't he just join another guild that is more relaxed about such things?

he made his own apparently

 

[Arehexes]

Ha.
This deaf guy wants to get even he should go make his own guild. Don't get sad, get mad, and then go excel at the game in your own way without the other bunch of losers.

Actually, he did form his own guild.

thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrent

Well what disability do you have, is it not being able to read a whole comment. I'm still waiting on your thoughts on this

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

well?

Wait are you directing this at me? If so I never got the notification for it in my inbox. So, uh, it's why I ask.

wait, why did you get the notification...sorry I dind't mean to direct that at you, it was ment for RaikuFA and I was sure I click on his thing to quote (as you can tell from the cascading quotes). Sorry if there was mix up

Oh! No I didn't get a notification but it kind of sounded like you may have been directing that at me. I just didn't want to avoid answering you if you were discussing something, I personally hate it when someone doesn't respond. Though it sounded somewhat sarcastic. Haha, but no worries no mix-up just making sure!

Edit: Just wanted to add it was my idiocy that made me wonder if it was directed at me or not, heh, sorry.

No it's not your fault, this topic is bugging me because

1)Most people didn't seem to read the whole topic and are assuming he was kicked for being deaf when there is a line saying he got in a "big blow out" with the guild leader, and we don't know what happened during that part (which seems important if this was a court case or something like that)...for that case how did he get deaf, if he did it to himself I don't wanna hear whining(kinda like a skate border getting hurt and milking it even though he was doing a risky stunt)

2)People acting like competition is evil(in video games at least) just because someone got kicked from a guild. When in the rule world competition will happen to you sooner or later, if your going to hunt for a job you better be competitive if 50 other people are trying to get your job(I grow sick of that speech in my programming classes... ).

 

[Yureina]

As someone who played WoW as a serious raider (read: quite a bit of time in the top 50 guild scene), I can safely say that that guy's guildmates were pretty ridiculous people. While it is true that I met more than a few overly-serious psychotics in my guilds, I ran into as many of those in the best guilds I was in as I did in the groups of, frankly, pathetic people who had inflated self-opinions, but who were all quite horrible at the game.

If you as a player are very good at the game and know everything that you need to do at all times (as I was), then ventrilo becomes pretty much irrelevant. All you really would need to know from vent are two things: boss explanations and assigned roles in a fight. Explanations are pointless in general since people should research in advance, and assigned roles are much better done over text (where you can keep track of them easier) than over voice (where all too often someone forgets who got assigned to what). In a good guild, vent's only uses are for social bonding and discussion about how the raids are going. Even then... I could do, and did, both of those things typing out for most of my time raiding (since I HATE speaking on vent and am used to typing). Oh... and I listened to music while raiding that drowned out all the chatter, just to emphasize my point that a good raider doesn't need to listen to vent in order to do well.

In other words, that guy's guild is fill of the sort of entitled self-important little shits that I used to make fun of when I raided in WoW. "Raiding is serious business" only in the sense that people need to know how to play and know what to expect out of a raid dungeon. After that, everything else is pitifully easy. If you kick ass at the game and can do well, vent doesn't really matter very much. It helps alot, but its not that essential.

 

[Danceofmasks]

2)People acting like competition is evil(in video games at least) just because someone got kicked from a guild. When in the rule world competition will happen to you sooner or later, if your going to hunt for a job you better be competitive if 50 other people are trying to get your job(I grow sick of that speech in my programming classes... ).

Ahahaha .. what your lecturers don't tell you (and they can't 'cos the requisite qualities are rare), is that well placed confidence is an asset, even if it's to the point of being arrogant.
"I have no idea what is required of me in this job, but I'm a very quick learner, and in a year this company will be in a better place for hiring me."
That kind of line, if backed up by the numbers (in the resume etc) is the sort of thing that gets people hired on the spot.