Wow, That?s Complicated

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... I played wow day one. No one knew shit. DPS wasn't even a concept by that time. Molten core, for any server that even had forty(!) level 60(!) players was a buggy, slapped together, poorly balanced mess. The few EQ veterans and beta players who made it to level 60 in record time (30 days /played) were literally stuck with NOTHING to do unless they moved their entire guild over from EQ or were beta players who organized amongst themselves where to go. Which meant, if they were on a PVP server, they soured their own well by running around all the lower level zones.

But... There were barely any tutorials, but the game was still easy to learn. The game does start you off with one ability, a few mobs, and an interface. Unless you have some sort of cognition problem or your monitor is 50inches and set to some ungodly resolution (and you sit six inches away from the screen) and you have UI scaling set to 0% (which is a pretty hard setting to find day 1, somewhat proving you don't have any of the aforementioned problems), everything is easy to see and understand. Map, health, mana/rage/energy, abilities, spellbook inventory. You take a few minutes, click on stuff, and then venture out into the world to start killing shit. You take damage, one bar decreases (if you're a warrior, another bar increases), you use an ability another bar decreases, etc etc etc.

What I'm saying is, yes, wow is more complex than call of duty. But... the game did have a tutorial to ease people into the complexity. Used to be, there was a 60 level tutorial. Some concepts are somewhat esoteric (threat... as in the tank is the one who does the least damage), but learning that game is really only as hard as learning anything else. It all depends on how well you pick up new things.

Of course, the past tense is due to the first 60 levels being ransacked to make alt'ing more appealing. Even thinking about the new 1-[cap] grind bores me to tears. As it would just be a grind. No instancing, no grouping, no interesting lore, accept quest, follow quest tracker, turn in quest, boredboredboredbored.

All for... what? The endgame isn't even worth doing anymore. Even if they fired whoever thought wotlk's level 80 content was a good idea, its still just more grind. Grind thats even slower because it only progresses as quickly as the stupidest person in your guild. Which is determined randomly, as eventually people get to the point where they think "OH WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIN SO I WON'T TRY BECAUSE IF I TRIED AND WE FAILED I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED." Fuck pvp too. At best, its jerking off. In reality, its randomly determined and any sort of tactics are about as effective as (warning: pokemon reference) holding B to catch [whateverthefuck]. Once you get the right gear (which is always easy as fuck, timesink not withstanding) you're pretty much set. Game knowledge tops at a depressingly low level, so any sort of engagement is just going through the motions with slight adjustments. Which means its just a fucking grind. Again.

So... yea, fuck mmorpgs until they figure out how to get a better game out of the format.
 

4RT1LL3RY

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The comment about beginning tutorials that are skip able sounds exactly like how Global Agenda did it. I can't wait till the new content from Sandstorm comes out.
 

Baldr

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I cringe at most MMO's interface now because the interface is not like WoW is. I went and try Guild Wars again because a mate was playing a couple months ago. It just pissed me off that I couldn't jump so I stopped playing. Funny thing is most advanced WoW players don't even use the default interface anymore, we got so many addons set to preferences that it even hard explaining to another player how you have it setup.
 

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TheBaron87 said:
Just thought I should clear something up on the whole "newbie" = "stupid" thing.

*Snipped the rest*
I know that. You know that. Shamus knows that.

Despite this, a lot of people (mostly trolls) like to flame down anyone who asks any question about any thing. People see the trolls doing this, don't realize that the trolls are trolls just doing what they do, and thus think that it's not okay to ask questions.

You can post and repost and rerepost that explanation a million times over. The trolls will continue to be the people "who think that 'newbie' is a synonym for 'stupid'". It's just what they do. Explaining why what they're doing is wrong is kinda like trying to explain to your dog why you don't like him piddling on the carpet. It's better to just swat him with a newspaper and boot him in the back yard. It's just a shame that trolling isn't ever against any forum rules anywhere (technically it is, but mods are always lazy to do anything about anything but the most blatant examples of trolling).
 

Charli

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*grin* Hehehe I got a kick out of your article.

It's true isn't it, after the years of mastering WoW I feel like I could learn pretty much anything... If I could be bothered to stop raiding.

AND HOLY F- ON A F- SANDWITCH DID YOU SEE THE RECENT PALADIN CHANGES!?!
We're using holy power instead now? ...is this a second resource or are we totally replacing mana. D:

If so thats. effing. AWESOME.
 

Eatspeeple

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The tutorial is certainly a step in the right direction. When i first started, i did a few quests, got lost, and ended up leaping from a zepplin because i realised we were flying over the place i needed to go.
 

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I found WOW to complex, perhaps it's that i'm used to learning the games I play quite quickly, or that I wasn't doing anything fun for the first 2 hours but I just gave up and left. Thats twice now i've downloaded the trial and gone "ahhhhhh fuck it, time to shoot things"
 

PlasticTree

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It has been two years since I last touched WoW, and there is just no way that I would find the time again to play WoW, but damn. I still get enthousiastic and hyped up when I read something like this.
 

AmayaOnnaOtaku

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Arcanz said:
enzilewulf said:
I'm just stating facts here, that is the ONLY way you will get help in WoW.
Obviously the idea of finding a buddy or joining a guild or even pulling up thottbot/wowhead never crossed your mind.


I had NO problems getting help in wow. It may have been becuase I play healer classes, and if you are nice to healers, they will keep you topped off.
 

whaleswiththumbs

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Vhite said:
Yay, reference to my C++ book!
Anyway, I dont remember having hard time being new in Wow and that was 4-5 years ago. To reach level 60 took me almost a year but it was probably the best part of game when you didnt knew whole game and there was always something new.
thats an amazing coincidence......

OT:
thanks shamus, now new MMO companies everywhere will just be throwing things together thinking they are right. Shamus just murdered MMOs for newbies.
 

DoanDavid

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Gnome mage?

Well that's another thing I have to add to my Undead Warlock's "What to eat after I kill it, or vice versa" list.
 

AmayaOnnaOtaku

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DoanDavid said:
Gnome mage?

Well that's another thing I have to add to my Undead Warlock's "What to eat after I kill it, or vice versa" list.
or a new practice ball for my paladin to use for her gnome punting team
 

MrSnugglesworth

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I'm not going to lie, I used to be one of those guys that wouldn't help people because I thought it was so simple. Then after about 2 years of not playing ,I got to see the interface again and I was like "what in fuck was I thinking"


I still don't help people though. I just ignore them, because if I can figure it out, they can.
 

nmaster64

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I second the fact that programming is less complicated than WoW on many levels. At least when I glance at code I can usually get a jist of what's going on pretty quickly. No matter how hard I stare at a WoW screen or video, I cannot figure out exactly what's happening, let alone find the proverbial Waldo that is 'fun'. I think it must be hidden behind the Bejeweled window.

In seriousness, I've never understood how any casuals like this game. They won't touch a modern-day controller and it's "too many buttons", but somehow they get into WoW, which often has about 30-80 buttons on screen at once, plus keyboard commands.
 

Verkain

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Your reference to EVE in the article made me laugh even though I fell off the learning cliff (not curve) once before I finally figured it out.

As for WoW, I think what they have going for Cataclysm looks good so far in terms of newbie tutorials. IMO, it shouldn't be too easy.