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Robert B. Marks

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Hi all,

The search button here on my browser doesn't work too well for this forum, so I apologize if somebody has already done this...

My name is Robert Marks, and I've been a professional writer since 1998. My first book sale was the e-book that launched the entire Blizzard fiction line for Pocket Books, I was the author of one of the first online computer games issues columns in the English language (Garwulf's Corner on Diabloii.net between 2000-2002), I've sold three stories to the Escapist so far (the third is going to be in the Sex issue, unless something dramatic happens), and I've got somewhere around 300 paid publication credits and rising. And, since there are probably a lot of people who would like to write for the Escapist, or in general, I figured I'd pass on some writing tips (and hopefully other writers will join me in this thread with their own tips).

1. Write about the important stuff. I can't stress this enough - as far as I'm concerned, this is rule number one. What this basically means is that once the reader has finished your article, they should never be left wondering "So what?"

(And, on a side note, a good article will tend to assume that the reader has at some point asked the "So what?" question, and provide an answer. This isn't hard when it comes to video games - it's a relatively new medium that is just adjusting to being big business, and there is a lot going on that has an impact.)

2. Write with skill, not art. One thing a lot of editors hate is university writing classes, because they end up getting material from a bunch of students who have been taught that they should let their artistic feelings come to the surface, without having been taught any actual skill - and the results are just unpublishable. Spelling, grammar, and punctuation are all very important - making certain that your prose flows smoothly from paragraph to paragraph is too.

(And, when you write with enough skill, the art will creep into your work on its own.)

3. Use plain language. There are some people who think that you have to use very convoluted wording in order to sound smarter - this is false. If I write that I am "efficiently exchanging oxygen with carbon dioxide in my internal organs," instead of "breathing," the people who don't have a big enough vocabulary will be lost, and the people who do understand what I just wrote will think that I'm a pretentious twit who's trying to sound smarter than I am. Your goal as a writer is to express an intelligent point, and while this sometimes requires specialized language, the more you can use plain wording, the better.

4. Vary the length of your paragraphs. This is important for readability. Think of an article as a delicious steak for a moment. If you eat the steak in huge bites, you'll choke. If you eat it in little tiny bites, you'll be left unsatisfied. If you use a variety, you'll get the best possible experience. Single sentence paragraphs are also a very powerful tool, and should not be used lightly. So, if we take the following example:

"John stared down the barrel of Jim's gun. A bead of sweat rolled down his forehead. He swallowed, wondering if he'd ever see his wife again.

"Jim pulled the trigger."

The first paragraph here is very powerful, but the second, which has only a single sentence, hits like a hammer blow. Sprinkled lightly throughout the article, single sentence paragraphs can make important points stand out with tremendous impact. Used too often, and they lose their power.

5. The adverb is not your friend. Any time you put in an adverb, it weakens the sentence. The more adverbs, the weaker the sentence is. Compare:

"Jim pulled the trigger" - nice, simple and strong.

"Jim quickly pulled the trigger" - not quite as strong.

"Jim quickly and steadily pulled the trigger" - very little power now.

6. Be careful of where you put quotes. If you've interviewed somebody, you want their words to make a difference. If you put those words at the beginning of a paragraph, or the end, or make them a paragraph of their own, they stand out. If you plant them in the middle of a paragraph, they end up marginalized.

7. Read your article out loud at least once when you edit. It is amazing how much the human ear can catch that the eye cannot. When you read your work aloud, you'll catch word echoes, places the article doesn't flow, and you'll catch errors in your argument.

8. Don't fall in love with your words. I've been writing professionally for ten years now, and my first drafts still have plenty of problems. Editing is a very important step, and should never be skipped. I try to give every article I send in at least three editing passes before I pass it on to an editor. And, in editing, your article should, in general, get shorter rather than longer.

I'll use one of my own articles as an example, The Anatomy of Violence. The first draft was around 2,500-2,800 words. The draft that I sent in to the Escapist editor was around 2,000 words, and much tighter. The editor at the Escapist cut out another 500 words - the final published draft was very lean, mean, and got its point across with great force (the only serious problem that arose with it was something that was my own fault for not catching in the process, and sometimes these things happen).

(Another important point here is that writers do not tend to be the best judges of their own work - they're just too close to it. That's why you want to show your piece to somebody else who will be honest with you about the problems in it.)

So, those are the tips that come immediately to mind - do any other Escapist writers have some they'd like to add?

Best to all,

Robert Marks
 

PedroSteckecilo

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Thanks for the tips, I'm glad pros are willing to help us with our prose (oh god, don't kill me for that). I don't really have any tips myself since I am firmly an amatuer, but I do have a request for some tips...

I've been attempting to write "novels" since I was 10 (I'm currently 24), and I've never finished a goddamn thing, it's worse now because I work 40 hours a week. Does anyone have any suggestions or tips on finishing a written work when you don't really have time?
 

Eagle Est1986

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So what?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Thanks, there's some really good bits of advice in there.

Do you mostly write fiction? Only there's a story stuck in my brain and I have trouble getting it actually written down, how much planning do you do before starting a story and how do you go about planning in the first place? Assuming that you are a writer of fiction, of course.
 

Robert B. Marks

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Pedro: I've got three books under my belt (although I was just a collaborator on one of them), so I can offer a bit of advice here...

Writing a novel is an exercise in stamina. Even if you are independently wealthy, and can work full time, you're still looking at a project that will take months, or even years.

(Unless, of course, you're Ed Greenwood, but he's a special case, and I'm amazed he hasn't burnt himself out seventeen times over by now.)

The best advice I can give you is to set aside a couple of hours every evening, sit at your keyboard, and just write. It may help to set chapter goals for each month too. It won't be easy, but you'll have a finished product in the long run if you keep at it.

Best regards,

Robert Marks
 

Robert B. Marks

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Eagle: I do write some fiction, although not as much as I would like. Unfortunately, the fantasy market got glutted, and the response times got to the point that I had to retask to write mainly non-fiction.

(That being said, my agent is trying to get a nice deal for a couple of unpublished novels of mine, so I've got my fingers crossed.)

As far as your question about technique goes, I'm happy to answer it - but how much help that will be to you, I really don't know. The reason is that there isn't a right way or a wrong way. It's all whatever works.

For short stories, I personally don't outline - those just flow out of my proverbial pen. For novels, I do outline, but I don't write them entirely in order. That being said, Stephen King wrote in his book On Writing that outlining a novel was one of the worst things you can do to it. Robert J. Sawyer once told me that he writes his books pretty much completely out of order, and puts the finished parts together in the right order at the end of writing the first draft. And, when I wrote Demonsbane for Pocket Books, I had to submit an outline before I started the first draft for approval by my editor and Blizzard Entertainment.

So, the answer to how you get the story onto the page is really a question - "What works for you?"

Best regards,

Robert Marks
 

Eagle Est1986

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Well I'll just have to have a play around then, the short stories are easy enough to write because I'll have most of the idea in my head already so, like you said, there's little need to plan.
I think I should try planning my larger story as there's too many ideas in my head to focus on one at a time.
How many drafts would you go complete for your fiction, do the same rules apply as for the non-fiction work?

Also, btw, I've just finished reading Anatomy of Violence, a very good and very interesting article.
 

Robert B. Marks

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Eagle: I try to give any piece of my writing at least two or three editing passes, fiction or non-fiction.

(I'd also go as far as to say that when you're looking back at your first draft and kicking yourself for all the mistakes you're finding, don't be too hard on yourself. We all make those errors - catching them is what the editing pass is there for...)

Best regards,

Robert Marks
 

L.B. Jeffries

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Great thread, thought I'd add a few.

8. Always write an article or piece at minimum one week (I usually give myself a month) in advance. Do not look or think about the article during that time. You have to literally forget it and come to it with fresh eyes. This is the best boost I get for my own column, reviews, and essays.

9. Always, always, do at least one google search on the topic. Check what other people have written about it. Incorporate their ideas (be sure to give links and credit), boost your own with theirs, and try to get as much real meat on the bone as possible.

10. Learn to enjoy criticism. Relish getting the s*** kicked out of you. If an idea pisses people off, figure out why. If they like it, figure that out too. Talent and practice will only get you 2/3 of the way there. The final 1/3 is making mistakes and having the guts to start over. When it comes to writing on the web...discipline is the rarest commodity I see.

Oh, and mixed media is your friend. Learn to use it.
 

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Thanks for that, very interesting. I think I still fall for numbers 3, 4 and 7 whenever I write anything, but I'm trying to get out of doing it. It's hard changing how you do things, though; adjusting yourself to fit into the world can feel like a bit of a defeat, but I can see that sometimes it needs to be done.
 

Robert B. Marks

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L.B.: Those are really great points, and I'd like to comment on number 10 for a moment, because that's a really important one.

What you said is true, but I'd also add that a lot of articles, particularly the ones here at the Escapist, are props for discussion. You're trying to make a point, and to prove that point, but the best discussion you'll get happens when people both agree and disagree with you.

(That being said, don't deliberately be wrong for the sake of creating greater discussion.)

Also, and still related, I'd suggest treating your readers as skeptics. A skeptic demands proof - so provide it. Make sure your argument is well-supported, and use criticism to find the weaknesses.

And, to add a brand new point:

11. Don't write about the obvious. Write about something that will allow you to take the readers somewhere they've never been. One way to do this is to expand something in a different direction (and for a great example, I'd point to the "Save our Children" issue, which had three very different takes on video game violence, none of which tend to get much attention in detail). I can't back this one up, but I'd wager that most of the articles that get turned down by the Escapist based on concept are turned down because the writer is pitching something that everybody has known for years (for example, that Diablo was a successful game, etc.).

Best to all,

Robert Marks
 

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Robert B. Marks said:
(Unless, of course, you're Ed Greenwood, but he's a special case, and I'm amazed he hasn't burnt himself out seventeen times over by now.)
that's because he's eliminster :p

if you've ever met him, you'd realize he looks like a crazy english prof and well not sure if they can be burnt out but just go more crazy

good article tho, cept i don't think you followed point 6 over before you hit post cause you have 2 number 4's, so i guess i'm kinda borrowing from LB's #10 :)

i will say tho that sometimes with adjectives they can be good, depending on your audience and also what you're writing about. but i do agree, i remember being forced to read tess of the d'urbervilles, when the rape scene happened i had to read it over a couple times so i was sure of what happened. i had no clue she was being raped cause it sounded so nice and beautiful because of the flowery language he used. tho i will say both hardy and dickens wrote serialized books so if they could drag things out to get paid more they would.
 

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Do you feel that anyone can write 'good' (or at least, not bad) works if they're passionate about the topic or they're very interested in making a particular point? If it's a work of fiction entirely of their own devising, could anyone with enough time, effort, and editing, make a 'decent' (I refuse to define decent here) work of art ? How much does intelligence, experience, knowledge, ideas, and creativity come into the process ?
 

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Cleverly: "good article tho, cept i don't think you followed point 6 over before you hit post cause you have 2 number 4's, so i guess i'm kinda borrowing from LB's #10 :)"

Whoops!

I'm a history and English major, not a math major - that's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it...

(It's corrected now - thanks for catching that.)

Ed Greenwood is actually a friend of mine, and I owe him a great deal - he helped save my writing style once. But that's a different story, for another time. He remains the only person I've ever met who could turn out three publishable novels in a single month - that man is a writing machine.

Now, a couple of new ones (and yes, the numbering is well and truly screwed up, so we'll call this a second draft, and leave it at that...):

12. Watch out for your first sentences. (Full disclosure time - I work part-time as an editor and writer at a local university.) I've seen this with a lot of new writers - they'll feel that they have to start their article with a really good sentence that encapsulates the entire piece, and only relax and let the prose flow after. As a result, you'll get this very tepid summary sentence opening the article, and this incredible, amazing, wonderful sentence that grabs the reader, shakes him, and drags him into the article with a gun to his head, right afterwards. Guess which sentence should be at the front.

(And it hits us experienced writers too on occasion, so don't feel too badly about it. I was recently editing a feature piece that I was going to send in somewhere, and I ended up knocking out the first sentence in almost every paragraph. It doesn't hit me often, but it hit me big-time then.)

14. (Numbers revision elevator style!) Never forget that you don't have a balanced perspective on your own writing. When you're trying to make an argument in an article, you already know what that argument is, and so you'll read it into your own work, regardless of if it is there. This is related to the editing point, but it's worthy of its own section, I think - it also ties in to L.B.'s point number 10.

Now, one of the ways you can tell if a writer can make it as a pro is in how s/he reacts to somebody missing the point s/he was trying to make. An amateur who is going to stay there will blame the reader for not being smart enough to get the point. The one who has the potential to be a pro will take a good, long look at the article and see how he might have miscommunicated.

There are exceptions, but the only way you can really tell if you got a point across is by seeing if the majority of readers got it. If 50 readers got it, and one didn't, you probably made your point properly. But, it's always worth seeing if there might be something you missed. As a personal example, the way I found out that there was a problem in Anatomy of Violence that had cropped up in the editing phase was that somebody in the forums had missed the argument, and in doing so exposed the problem.

So, any other points from any other writers? Any more questions for us writers who are here, while we're "on tap"?

Best to all,

Robert Marks
 

Robert B. Marks

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Kinch: I think passion about a subject is very important when it comes to writing a good article or story about that subject. Passion can be the difference between a good piece and a great piece.

It's important, though, to not let passion cloud your judgment. Passion is good, tunnel vision is not. If you're writing about something you are very passionate about, but there's evidence that doesn't support your point of view, you shouldn't be ignoring that evidence because it is displeasing. Also, contrary evidence can lead you into directions you never expected to go, and that can be very rewarding, and make for a better article.

As far as your last question goes, intelligence, experience, knowledge, ideas, and creativity I would say ARE the process. Ask me for ratios, though, and I'm afraid I've got to say that depends on the article in question...

Best regards,

Robert Marks
 

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Robert B. Marks said:
(It's corrected now - thanks for catching that.)

Ed Greenwood is actually a friend of mine, and I owe him a great deal - he helped save my writing style once. But that's a different story, for another time. He remains the only person I've ever met who could turn out three publishable novels in a single month - that man is a writing machine.
i got to meet him a couple years ago at the fanexpo in toronto, i sadly missed Gary Gygax. i was walking around and saw some guy that looked part crazy english prof and part being lost in general and asked if he was Ed Greenwood and he said "yes" so i got him to sign my Eliminster book. he actually lives "not too far" from me, it's in quotes cause it could be a couple hours away from me but still not too far.

he also kinda looks like my friend's father, who also happens to be a crazy english prof at a university. cept Ed's cooler cause he has a ponytail.



as for your points, i think the opening statement thing can be blamed on high school english teachers, mine would say "what's your essay about?" if i didn't have some sort of all encompassing statement as my first sentence, no matter if the rest of it could be used as good fertilizer.

i think the misreading comes from people not understanding the language that much anymore. it also stems from teachers not teaching and getting students to think about what is said, they just want to hear some regurgitated crap that they've spewed out at you before.

one of the funnier examples of this was in back to school with Rodney Dangerfield during the scene with Kurt Vonnegut, whom i'm more than certain got a great laugh out of it, where the teacher blasts Rodney for having no idea about what Kurt was trying to say and Kurt wrote the paper
 

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So then, to use some rather ridiculous examples:

Could a genius with no interest in a particular subject write a good piece?
Could a normal person with interest and research but no personal experience make a good article?
Could a stupid person with practical experience and genuine passion write something worth reading?

Do any of these questions even matter?
 

L.B. Jeffries

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kinch said:
So then, to use some rather ridiculous examples:

Could a genius with no interest in a particular subject write a good piece?
Could a normal person with interest and research but no personal experience make a good article?
Could a stupid person with practical experience and genuine passion write something worth reading?

Do any of these questions even matter?
Well, that kid who wrote Eragon wrote a book I consider to be utter garbage but has sold millions. Who am I to argue with the masses? Wuthering Heights was written by a crazed shut-in who had to pay off family debts. It sold poorly but is now considered one of the greatest books ever written. Her sister wrote Jane Eyre right across from her and it both sold well and is still read today. None of those people had much experience besides loving books (as far as I know).

Alas, to a stuffy writer like me whose been enduring screaming old men for over a decade and writing his whole life, I'm not going to lightly admit I'm not better off without all that training. Practice, practice, practice...
 

Robert B. Marks

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Kinch: I'm not going to answer those questions - I'm going to turn them back on you...what do YOU think? And do you think these questions matter? :)

The reason I'm doing this is because writing is so varied, and so different from person to person, that I don't think I can answer those questions the way you want. There are amazing writers who changed the face of literature who were college drop-outs. And there are very intelligent professors with a passion for literature who couldn't write a readable essay to save their lives.

Cleverly: Nine times out of ten, the fault for a misreading lies with the writer, not the reader. And language is also constantly changing. We do not speak the same dialect of English as the generation before us - there are subtle differences. It is the writer's job to adapt to those differences. If the writer does his or her job properly, the point of the article will be gotten across.

Best to all,

Robert Marks
 

Erana

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Thank you. I now need to go show this to people who annoy me on the Internet.
 

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L.B. Jeffries said:
Well, that kid who wrote Eragon wrote a book I consider to be utter garbage but has sold millions. Who am I to argue with the masses? Wuthering Heights was written by a crazed shut-in who had to pay off family debts. It sold poorly but is now considered one of the greatest books ever written. Her sister wrote Jane Eyre right across from her and it both sold well and is still read today. None of those people had much experience besides loving books (as far as I know).
that goes for stuff like tess of the d'urbervilles and the grapes of wrath, i found them both REALLY boring and crappy yet they are both classics and i love reading, which i'll have to thank my better half for getting me back into reading more again.

i know i have an issue where what i say is misinterpreted a lot or people are just not paying attention to what i'm actually saying, so i have to spell it out. tho i sometimes use odd phrases and wording but that's more of a defect in aspiration peculiar to the groups i affiliate with. i find in this day an age too many people skim over the text you write and not pay attention to what you are saying, which can be rather humourous sometimes