XBL to end profanity

[tmdude]

i think its a great idea 3/4 of XBL player are 12 year old jackass twats, i watched my friend play Halo 3 on XBL and if i hadnt known him i would have slit his throat for being such a dick

 

[Rankao]

It doesn't abridge free speech. Getting clocked by a cop in public for saying you don't like the government is stifling free speech, but me letting myself not hear some guy calling me a n***** (and this is not just young kids) because he lost in a game is my choice of what I want to hear. It's also not violating free speech because you're using someone else's service. If you walk naked into a restaurant, the owners are allowed to kick you out, because when you wish to use advertised services, then you agree to the provider's set of rules or abide by a code of conduct (if any). If Microsoft wishes to allow people to use its services, and chooses to expand its business by promoting a more friendly atmosphere, then it'd be more of a violation to abridge their choice to do so.

your forgetting this will apply to people who don't pay for xbox live(silver members). when you get to the internet the rules get kind of iffy. i mean does your internet provider have the rite to say you cant watch porn because it isn't family appropriate? no they do not, so xbox live has no rite to force you to censor the internet, whether or not they own the service you use, if however this was an optional setting on the family settings like COR 2000 said then they can do it all they want.

Yeah, your internet provider DOES have the right (it's 'right' by the way, not 'rite') to stop you from watching internet porn. No one would ever do that though, because that's why people have the internet in the first place. You sound a bit young for this place, you might want to try gamefaqs.

#1 i always get those 2 confused thanks for that.(the rite/right)
#2 really they have the right to? I'd like to see such a paper that says they do.
#3 age has little to do with knowledge. by the way double post and insulting me reported

Ummm, don't really see spelling correction a direct insult on your race/gender/cultural background (those are the only things that matter about you). And yes, for the most part they have full control on what you can see and what you can't.
One of my friends works for a ISP and he usually blocks the known torrent ports because of legal issues for their clients (they are mostly businesses)

There are rules and regulation, but If the ISP have some rights on what you can and cannot see depending what net neutrality laws have and have not been passed in your country.

I see no problem with them having a live profanity filter. When people start realizing how gay it is to be censored they won't curse as much.

 

[ROBO_LEADER]

The first time I used Xbox Live! was for Guitar Hero 3, and I was immediately greeted with a high pitched voice screaming various profanities at me in incomplete sentences. I ripped the headset off of my ear and have never used it since.

I'd love some sort of profanity filter, if only to hear the idiots squirm when they can't call me a "gay-ass fuck-sucker" <-What?

 

[SanitysEclips3]

I truly hope it will be optional, because when someone is annoying I just mute them. If not, then I'm using my 1st amendment right. Constitution>Microsoft

...and I don't want to hear the "you agreed to the terms and services blah blah blah," because to do anything these days you need to enter a private contract.

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

It doesn't abridge free speech. Getting clocked by a cop in public for saying you don't like the government is stifling free speech, but me letting myself not hear some guy calling me a n***** (and this is not just young kids) because he lost in a game is my choice of what I want to hear. It's also not violating free speech because you're using someone else's service. If you walk naked into a restaurant, the owners are allowed to kick you out, because when you wish to use advertised services, then you agree to the provider's set of rules or abide by a code of conduct (if any). If Microsoft wishes to allow people to use its services, and chooses to expand its business by promoting a more friendly atmosphere, then it'd be more of a violation to abridge their choice to do so.

your forgetting this will apply to people who don't pay for xbox live(silver members). when you get to the internet the rules get kind of iffy. i mean does your internet provider have the rite to say you cant watch porn because it isn't family appropriate? no they do not, so xbox live has no rite to force you to censor the internet, whether or not they own the service you use, if however this was an optional setting on the family settings like COR 2000 said then they can do it all they want.

Yeah, your internet provider DOES have the right (it's 'right' by the way, not 'rite') to stop you from watching internet porn. No one would ever do that though, because that's why people have the internet in the first place. You sound a bit young for this place, you might want to try gamefaqs.

#1 i always get those 2 confused thanks for that.(the rite/right)
#2 really they have the right to? I'd like to see such a paper that says they do.
#3 age has little to do with knowledge. by the way double post and insulting me reported

Yes, they have the right to run their service however they want - if they want to block objectionable content from their servers, nothing's stopping them. Most people, however, wouldn't stand for this and would stop using that company's service. Consider the fact that some communities in the U.S. have outlawed the viewing of pornographic material.
Also, age has almost everything to do with knowledge. The longer you're alive, the more you learn - that's why adults don't give a fuck what kids think - they're almost always wrong. You're talking about maturity, which is of course still heavily tied in with age, but of course there are exceptions.
Edit: Also, feel free to report me. If I get banned for teasing a 14 year old then this place is fucked anyway.
Double edit: Actually, I just checked your profile - you're 15, not 14. My mistake.

 

[SanitysEclips3]

I am hearing the argument that Mircosoft has the right to run their service however they want, and us saying no is interfering with that right. However, they would be interfering with our right to free speech, which is a CONSTITUTIONAL right. What's more important; the rights of a corporation or the rights of the people, rights that the nation was founded upon?

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

Yeah, your internet provider DOES have the right (it's 'right' by the way, not 'rite') to stop you from watching internet porn. No one would ever do that though, because that's why people have the internet in the first place. You sound a bit young for this place, you might want to try gamefaqs.

Not necessarily: http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/common_carrier.htm

The old English common law of innkeepers and by extension the Common Carrier is almost forgotten in this day and age where private property rights have been fetishized, but, it's not a dead concept yet.

There was a recent Supreme Court case that concluded that cable companies weren't like Common Carriers such as phone services, but that was about commercial access, not content restriction, turning on the idea that cable internet is an 'information service' rather than a 'telecommunication service.': http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/27/technology/broadband_ruling/index.htm?cnn=yes

Interesting...I'm a bit disturbed by that, most particularly this:

In a separate case Monday, the court ruled that software companies can be held liable for copyright infringement when individuals use their technology to download songs and movies illegally.

Wouldn't that include all internet browsers? Could the RIAA theoretically sue the OS development community?

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

Interesting...I'm a bit disturbed by that, most particularly this:

In a separate case Monday, the court ruled that software companies can be held liable for copyright infringement when individuals use their technology to download songs and movies illegally.

Wouldn't that include all internet browsers? Could the RIAA theoretically sue the OS development community?

Sounds like it to me--crazy, right? It's like suing UPS because they delivered a pirated book to your house!

You know, that fifteen year old had a point now that I think about it - How can these old fucks make these types of rulings about shit they don't even know about? Sounds like maybe we need to stick a college nerd in one of these courtrooms.

 

[LadyZephyr]

Okay, for one, if you can verify your age to be over 18, you should be able to disable the filter, amirite?

Also, what words will be bleeped is my question.

The right to free speech generally only applies against the government, not private entities.

However, there's a common law right going back to England hundreds of years ago, the Law of Innkeepers, which evolved into the law of Common Carriage, which basically states that if you hold yourself open to the public, you can't refuse service except for a good reason, and deciding you are going to be a private censor is not a good enough reason.

I believe US laws are similar, but to poke a hole here: Isn't XBL a paid service (I'm getting a 360 for the holidays, so I am unsure)? If it is, then so long as they stuff a new clause into the terms of service, then they're safe.

 

[James Raynor]

I am hearing the argument that Mircosoft has the right to run their service however they want, and us saying no is interfering with that right. However, they would be interfering with our right to free speech, which is a CONSTITUTIONAL right. What's more important; the rights of a corporation or the rights of the people, rights that the nation was founded upon?

Anything privately owned they can do with as they please, like on this forum if they wanted they could ban you for so much as saying "The escapist isn't the best thing ever". Bringing up free speech on something privately owned doesn't work.

 

[wordsmith]

Nah, silencing swearwords is NOT what is needed. Silencing anything at above a certain range (Say, I dunno... A little lower than a pre-pubescent boy's voice?) is exactly what it needs =D

 

[mr mcshiznit]

is it going to beep it out like on T.V. or cut it out all together? Honestly if its beeped ill be more annoyed at that than the kids swearing to be perfectly honest.