Xbox 720 is another iPhone 4S!!

[Hateren47]

- Blah blah computers are more expensive than consoles you couldn't sell for more than $200 blah blah buy used games from pirateshops blah blah shitty shitty shitty snip snap-

Tell you what, sweetums, when you're ready to have a mature argument that is logical concerning the price of a console vs the price of a PC, let me know.

Yes it's obvious that a 6 year old console is cheaper than any new pc with a halfway decent graphic card. Since you can't make a business by selling computers at a loss like you can with consoles, hardware is sold at market price, any one can see that. Two reasons an Xbox 360 is cheaper than a new PC in 2012 going by hardware alone. Just like anyone can tell that software is cheaper for pcs than it is for consoles, right? So if you were to buy the same amount of software (and by software I mean games) for your console and your pc you will at a point in time (see graph 2) have spend more money on your console than on your pc.

And would any one change their opinion if either one of us started acting mature? Pumpkin.

graph 2
It makes my 700th post a little festive, I think.

Edit: I backtraced the thread to find out where the $400 pc came from, because honestly I forgot, a lo and behold what I find.

Spoiler: Spoiler: Click for irony.

another fun aspect no one has brought up yet:

already now you can easily assemble a PC that outperforms the specs of the xbox720 by far for arround 300-400 bucks. how is that going to be in almost 2 years when it actually comes out? the thing is probably not going to cost only 400 on release.

and console fanboys cry PCs would be expensive.

Utter fucking bullshit.

A case. A hard drive. A motherboard. RAM. Video Card. Cooling. Power supply. And since a 360 will come with at least 1 controller, that means for the purpose of this comparison, you'll need to buy at least a keyboard and a mouse. Oh, let's not forget the operating system either! Most PC gamers who toss this argument in usually don't count the OS cost because they just pirate that anyway.

For less than $400? Yeah, keep fucking dreaming. I find it funny that so many people who want to say "you can build your own for DIS MUCH" seem to forget that a computer isn't just a video card taped to a hard drive with wires coming out of it.

I seems it was because you asked for one. Then the rest of the thread is just goalposts all the way down.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

yes, LiquidSolstice, you're right. The console is cheaper that a current similarly equipped PC. *lots of useless defensive justification snipped*

Great! Glad we got it out of the way that the 360 is cheaper than current PC gaming. Unfortunate that you keep trying to supplement it with defensive reasons why it shouldn't matter (even though I told you I don't care for those arguments)

I seems it was because you asked for one. Then the rest of the thread is just goalposts all the way down.

Look at the quote I was replying to, Sherlock. Irony in 3, 2, 1....

another fun aspect no one has brought up yet:

already now you can easily assemble a PC that outperforms the specs of the xbox720 by far for arround 300-400 bucks.

See that? That's him making the claim that the Xbox 720 parts can be had on a PC for $300 to $400. I just told him that it was insane to think so, with the least of the problems with his statement being that we don't actually know what the FULL specs of the 720 is.

That's not me asking for jack shit. Although I do not believe a $400 PC will be able to top a $400 360 V2/720/Whatever, I decided that, since, you know, we don't actually know what the specs of proposed future console are, that if the current PC stigma was that such a PC can match the future console for $400, than a current PC should have NO issues matching the current console for $300.

Which you have been unable to find for me. I'm really not sure where you think you have any sort of pedestal to stand on; first you make false claims, then you refuse to read, then you insult me, and finally you don't even read your own quoted attempt to discredit me, and you think you're the logical one?

You're fucking hilarious. Right about now is where I'd insert ironicallyconfidentseriousclappingman.gif, but I'd like to think I have more class than that.

 

[Hateren47]

yes, LiquidSolstice, you're right. The console is cheaper that a current similarly equipped PC. *lots of useless defensive justification snipped*

Great! Glad we got it out of the way that the 360 is cheaper than current PC gaming (Fixed that for you). Unfortunate that you keep trying to supplement it with defensive reasons why it shouldn't matter (even though I told you I don't care for those arguments)

I seems it was because you asked for one. Then the rest of the thread is just goalposts all the way down.

Look at the quote I was replying to, Sherlock. Irony in 3, 2, 1....

another fun aspect no one has brought up yet:

already now you can easily assemble a PC that outperforms the specs of the xbox720 by far for arround 300-400 bucks.

See that? That's him her (fixed that as well) making the claim that the Xbox 720 parts can be had on a PC for $300 to $400. I just told him her that it was insane to think so, with the least of the problems with his her statement being that we don't actually know what the FULL specs of the 720 is.

That's not me asking for jack shit. Although I do not believe a $400 PC will be able to top a $400 360 V2/720/Whatever, I decided that, since, you know, we don't actually know what the specs of proposed future console are, that if the current PC stigma was that such a PC can match the future console for $400, than a current PC should have NO issues matching the current console for $300 .

Which you have been unable to find for me. I'm really not sure where you think you have any sort of pedestal to stand on; first you make false claims, then you refuse to read, then you insult me, and finally you don't even read your own quoted attempt to discredit me, and you think you're the logical one?

You're fucking hilarious. Right about now is where I'd insert ironicallyconfidentseriousclappingman.gif, but I'd like to think I have more class than that.

ITT: Goalposts moving, reality distorted.

You're hilarious. You, yes you, asked for a $400 PC that was better than a 360. Presumably because you didn't think such a wondrous piece technology exists, and now you're denying it. Even though you're entertaining me I would never agree that console gaming is cheaper than PC gaming only that the hardware is. Not even to please you.

Spoiler

Utter fucking bullshit.

A case. A hard drive. A motherboard. RAM. Video Card. Cooling. Power supply. And since a 360 will come with at least 1 controller, that means for the purpose of this comparison, you'll need to buy at least a keyboard and a mouse. Oh, let's not forget the operating system either! Most PC gamers who toss this argument in usually don't count the OS cost because they just pirate that anyway.

For less than $400? Yeah, keep fucking dreaming. I find it funny that so many people who want to say "you can build your own for DIS MUCH" seem to forget that a computer isn't just a video card taped to a hard drive with wires coming out of it.

It's not important what Kathinka (who has a girls name) wrote, it's what you wrote. I'm replying to your argument not hers.

Also my pedestal is not for me to stand on, it's for you to see me stand on. By now. Because it's funny. And no you don't have any class. It's obvious with the language you use in an argument. So post some funny images.

As a challenge for you now. Find me a desktop PC with 4GB HDD, 512MB DDR2 total and a 9800GT. I fully understand why a 360 (no games) is cheaper than a new PC but I don't think you do. No don't bother, they don't exist.

And you were the one asking for a mature logical argument and then you dismiss it because you don't care for them. Which you wouldn't have to tell me because it's obvious.

Fact of the matter is, if you have money to spend on gaming it's better spend on a PC. If your (the collective "your")parents buys your games it's probably easier to trick them into buying a console because it looks cheaper. But that's dishonest marketing for ya.

Alright your turn. Those goalposts aren't going to move them selves.

 

[Kathinka]

i can't believe you still bother with this shmuck^^ it's hilarious to read though.

in recent news: spar, a supermarket chain here, actually being more of a grocery store, are offering a line of pre-built pc's since monday for a limited time. they reach from lowly allrounder machine to pretty decent gaming pc with a few quirks for about 1000 euro.

the weakest of the four offered machines costs 7400 crowns (that's 296 in real money) and sports a 300 gb hard drive, 4gb ram and a Radeon HD 6850 from a brand i don't know (that's about twice as powerfull as the 720 and about 9-10 times as powerfull as a 360). OEM license of windows is preinstalled, and it even comes with a cheap but usable mouse-keyboard combo.

in your face.

ok, carry on.

 

[DasDestroyer]

According to the article, it'll be 20% cooler than the Wii U. That being said, I will still stick with my PC that is still a few times more powerful than the 720(what's next? 1440? 2880? 5760? 11520?) and can play anything at 1080p with 60 fps.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

ITT: Goalposts moving, reality distorted.

You're hilarious. You, yes you, asked for a $400 PC that was better than a 360.

I was referring to the NEXT generation console, which I figured would be a very, very obvious hint based on the fact the person I was replying to said Xbox 720. But it's ok, don't let the facts bother you. You can probably just insult those away too.

It's not important what Kathinka (who has a girls name) wrote, it's what you wrote. I'm replying to your argument not hers.

Yeah, seeing as you make arbitrary and convenient decisions to further your point (like comparing 2012 PC hardware prices with 2005 360 Hardware prices), I suppose deciding to take one of my posts out of context (i.e. completely ignoring who it was in response to) in order to attack it is exactly the sort of weak and pathetic thing you'd do.

Also my pedestal is not for me to stand on, it's for you to see me stand on. By now. Because it's funny. And no you don't have any class. It's obvious with the language you use in an argument. So post some funny images.

Yes, my language. Because I was the one who said this out of frustration:

But I don't really care about your money so spend them how ever you like on whatever kind of experience you want. If you can enjoy paying through the nose for linear AAA shooters and uninspired actionRPGs just keep feeding the industry. They love you just the way you are.

You're no longer hilarious. You're just sad. I feel bad for you I've been using facts, whereas all you have on your side is convenient strawmans and out-of-context quotes.

As a challenge for you now. Find me a desktop PC with 4GB HDD, 512MB DDR2 total and a 9800GT. I fully understand why a 360 (no games) is cheaper than a new PC but I don't think you do. No don't bother, they don't exist.

More defensive bullshit. I don't give a shit about "saving the face of PC gaming". I'm not opening up that can of worms, but you keep wanting to. I like how you've finally admitted that a 360 is cheaper than a PC, but it's a sort of back-handed compliment. I guess I'll have to take what I can get from you.

You may be mortally insecure about your gaming platform, but I'm not.

And you were the one asking for a mature logical argument and then you dismiss it because you don't care for them. Which you wouldn't have to tell me because it's obvious.

AHAHAHAHAHA. This is unbelievably fucking funny. Yes, I wanted a mature argument. Not a dick-waving contest where you try and defend PC gaming and all its glory, not a series of convenient out of context quotes and attempts to compare the prices of 2012 PC parts to 2005 360 parts. I'm not dismissing anything that makes sense, you are. You're dismissing the fact that the $400 claim was in reference to the next generation XBox because you know your $300 task is already ridiculously hard, and you wanted more leeway. I guess it was just easier for you to do that and attack it instead.

Fact my opinion of the matter (which happens to be completely unrelated to this argument) of the matter is, if you have money to spend on gaming it's better spend on a PC.

Fixed that for you. But seeing as you think your opinion is fact anyway, I doubt it means jack shit.

If your (the collective "your")parents buys your games it's probably easier to trick them into buying a console because it looks cheaper. But that's dishonest marketing for ya.

My parents don't and have not ever bought anything for me outside of the basic needs of life and education. I have my own job, and I could damn well afford a gaming PC, but I don't because on a dollar-per-dollar comparison, it doesn't make sense to (a conclusion which I arrived to by using facts, not elitist and arrogant claims).

But it's alright, I suppose if you can't win against your opposition using facts, generalize about them and toss the phrase "dishonest marketing" in instead. And yes, I know you were referring to the general population of console gamers, not specifically me. That doesn't change my response to it.

Alright your turn. Those goalposts aren't going to move them selves.

That's unfortunate. I can't move them because you've already picked them up and carried them all the way to the top of the pedestal that you like to sit on, undoubtedly jammed so far up your ass that you are able to easily ignore facts are shrug them off with opinions.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

the weakest of the four offered machines costs 7400 crowns (that's 296 in real money) and sports a 300 gb hard drive, 4gb ram and a Radeon HD 6850 from a brand i don't know (that's about twice as powerfull as the 720 and about 9-10 times as powerfull as a 360). OEM license of windows is preinstalled, and it even comes with a cheap but usable mouse-keyboard combo.

in your face.

ok, carry on.

Proof? Ignoring the fact that the video card is from a brand you don't know, and "real money" to you is different than "real money" to me.