Xbox 720 is another iPhone 4S!!
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another fun aspect no one has brought up yet:
already now you can easily assemble a PC that outperforms the specs of the xbox720 by far for arround 300-400 bucks. how is that going to be in almost 2 years when it actually comes out? the thing is probably not going to cost only 400 on release.
and console fanboys cry PCs would be expensive.
already now you can easily assemble a PC that outperforms the specs of the xbox720 by far for arround 300-400 bucks. how is that going to be in almost 2 years when it actually comes out? the thing is probably not going to cost only 400 on release.
and console fanboys cry PCs would be expensive.
Utter fucking bullshit.Kathinka said:
A case. A hard drive. A motherboard. RAM. Video Card. Cooling. Power supply. And since a 360 will come with at least 1 controller, that means for the purpose of this comparison, you'll need to buy at least a keyboard and a mouse. Oh, let's not forget the operating system either! Most PC gamers who toss this argument in usually don't count the OS cost because they just pirate that anyway.
For less than $400? Yeah, keep fucking dreaming. I find it funny that so many people who want to say "you can build your own for DIS MUCH" seem to forget that a computer isn't just a video card taped to a hard drive with wires coming out of it.
SenorStocks said:
....what? PC gaming is about more than shinier graphics? Is that why this thread consists primarily of people bitching about a GPU? And please don't say something retarded like Steam or "flexibility".
Those have nothing to do with gaming itself. Here I was thinking that gaming was all about how much fun you had playing something.
checking the website of my favorit hardware store in my town:LiquidSolstice said:
phenom II X4 955 BE - 1800 crowns
zalman CNPS7X LED - 500 crows
MSI 870-C45 - 1000 crowns
Kingston HyperX 8 GB kit - 750 crowns
XFX HD 6870 Dual Fan - 2750 crowns
Sound is onboard - 0 crowns
Seage Barracuda 7.2 (1 TB, going a bit overboard here, but what the hell, i got wiggle room) - 1000 crowns
LG GH22NS70 (bulk) - 300 crowns
Bitfenix Shinoby (rather nice case actually, you could save a lot here if need be) - 800 crowns
Antex HC Gamer 620 Watt (absolute overkill for that rig actually) - 1420 crowns
leaves us at 10320 crowns, a tiny bit over 400 euros. toss in some peripheral devices and you are set. if you need to save money for an OS, just take a less insane Power Unit or Case. not sure how much a windows license actually costs, here you get them thrown after you for free, for example if you are a student. hell, the graphic card is about 2,5 times as powerfull as what the xbox720 is going to have, and you don't really "need" a full Terrabyte either. you could easily make concessions worth 100 euros or more there if you need to make cuts, and STILL come out better than the new xbox.
and all that is before overclocking and similar fun stuff.
there. that was just some random rig i crapped out of the top of my brain, without comparing prices or doing any research, AND it got fancy bullshit components like LED lights and rather generous hard disk space and power supply.
and it utterly curbstomps the 720.
it can do everything it can do better, and a ton more. if one is hell bent on the console experience one could rig it up to a big TV and a gamepad and get the full console experience, with better graphics and more customization for less money.
and all that are the prices TODAY. in almost two years, when the new xbox comes out, you will be able to assemble this kind of system for the price of a dinner for two in a fancy restaurant.
"Toss in peripherals"? Yes, because PC gamers play with $5 keyboad/mouse combos. Your keyboard/mouse will definitely be more expensive than that. Probably in the $40 to $50 range.Kathinka said:
And what if you're not a student? What will you do then? Just doing a bit of Googling, it seems that it costs 149 Euros for just the Home Premium version (and no, this is the full version, not the update. You need the full version).
When you add up the above, by the way, including a hypothetical $30 kb/mouse combo (which probably isn't that good anyway), we're now up to 570 euros.
By the way, I said 400 bucks, not 400 euros. That means dollars. 400 euros is not 400 dollars, it's about 530 USD.
If we add up the keyboard and the cost of the operating system (because you know, you can't do all that "fun stuff" without an operating system), it should interest you to know that's almost $750.
You're not going to win this argument, please give up.
Plenty do.LiquidSolstice said:
I see tons of people made fun of for having fancy pointless keyboards and mice.
I am a console fan, by the way.
an euro isn't exactly a dollar, of course, but it still compares. a lot of stuff is more expensive in the EU (often the dollar price, only the dollar sign replaced with an euro sign), but then again, the average income of the EU citizen is also higher, so it compares quite well.LiquidSolstice said:
you can get a top tier mouse like a logitec G400 for 25 euros. there are mice that are very very usable in the 10-20 euro range. and any 10-euro-noname-keyboard will do. it has keys. you can play with it. if not, again, some very very usable stuff is to be had for a few bucks more, like the microsoft sidewinder x4 for only 29 euros.
if this rig would blow your budged because you can't get a windows license, as i said, you can make plenty of concessions. case, power supply, hard drive, even graphic card are all grossely overpowered. you can scale down all those things easily and still utterly destroy the next gen consoles.
and again, this is just something i threw together in 30 seconds without much thought to make my point. one could go much, much lower with some research and comparing prices at stores.
please don't rage btw, we can have a serious and civil discussion without personal insults and foam-mouthed fanboyism.
i'm by the way not saying consoles would be useless or something. they have their place in gaming. some people are just unable or unwilling to learn how to build and operate a PC, and those people have the option to get a simple easy-to-use platform, at the sacrifice for less power for a higher cost. it's a viable deal for those who want it, but no one should pretend that cosoles would be a lot of bang for the buck, that's just nonsense, as my above example illustrated.
Be that as it may, but more on a Xbox 720 is still not going to get close to the less of the PC.Dark Sup3rn0va said:
If you are planning to buy the next Xbox, just save some money and buy a cheap laptop and you'll get the same or better performance. Heck, you can probably get more power out of a tablet by the time the next Xbox gets released.
If rumors that it will be download only are true, I can firmly say that I will become a Nintendo console and PC only gamer.
Could you please build me a pc including everything that is needed to play, like you would a console for 400 please.Kathinka said:
I want to know exactly what I need to get, I dont care what concessions are made, I just want to spen 400 on it, and have enough disk space left to just put in whatever game I want to play.
Can you also find someone that can do it for me for free?
I havent built a maching in ages and quite frankly I dont want the hassle.
Links from stores or products will very much appreciated.
I'm not really going to bother with this, because I'm arguing cost. Everyone in this thread is bitching their asses off about the supposed GPU and how "weak" it is. For the purpose of the argument we're having right now, the only thing PC gamers in this thread seem to be fixated on are graphics. Not ecosystem, not DLC, not "flexibility", not Steam.SenorStocks said:
Whatever, keep drinking your MASTER RACE PC GAMER kool-aid. I'm not arguing which one is "better", I'm arguing which one is cheaper. Obviously, that has struck a highly insecure nerve inside you that you have to try and brush over that. You've more or less admitted that PC gaming is more expensive, and you're trying to cover it up with a giant helping of
BUT THIS IS WHY ITS BETTERR OMG LOWLY CONSOLE GAMER".
I'll say it again since you decided to change the topic of the discussion; a PC that matches the next 360 cannot be built for the same $400 that the next 360 will supposedly cost.
But don't you know? In this argument, PC gamers always have a "but" to counter all your wishes.boag said:
You: "It costs a lot."
"But it's better if you build it yourself."
You: "It still costs a lot."
"But it's better because you can mod!"
You: "It still costs a lot."
"But you get Steam!"
You: ".....It costs a lot."
PC gamers unfortunately tend to be very hostile to the idea of admitting flaws with their choice of gaming platform (whereas most console gamers are happy to admit the flaws).
If you want the best possible gaming experience, you play games on PC.LiquidSolstice said:
This new Xbox won't even be able to do things PC's have been able to do for a while.
You pay $50 a year to play games online, with little to no extra benefits.
If you add that up over the years of playing Xbox (not even every possible year), that's about $200 of just Xbox live service charges.
Also a computer can do more than an Xbox, it's not limited to an ad-spewing, new-game only machine. It is a much better choice in terms of utility, along with beating the Xbox at the only thing it can do. Your Xbox couldn't even upload that post you made. The amount of purchase justification for buying an Xbox is quite entertaining.
The insecurity you have is just ridiculous. What are you not understanding about "I don't give a shit how high your PC-Gaming-Is-Awesome pedestal stands above all us lowly console gamers, I'm saying that you cannot build an equivalent pc for the cost of a 360"?Mutilator7 said:
For the record, no, I don't pay $50 a year. I paid $90 last year for 3 years worth of Live. At any rate, $50 is the cost of a game anyway, what does it matter?
As far as your other bullshit claims, the 360 is not "an ad-spewing machine". It has one ad in the corner of every page, and unless you pay attention to it, you wouldn't even know it's an ad. It's not like you don't have ads in web browsing, right? Oh wait, how dare I question the mighty PC...(this is the part where you tell me you use an adblocker so that you don't see them, right?)
It's also not a "new-game only" machine. Have you ever seen a 360? Or have you just read about them on pro-PC news sites? I bought Deus Ex HR yesterday for $20 used. Guess what? I put it in my console, and it.....played! IMAGINE THAT! :O
Oh wait, this is the part where you tell me "online-pass this" and "online-pass that", right? Because all of gaming has to be multiplayer, right? No such thing as good single-player games for the PC, right? I don't agree with the online-pass thing, but please don't delude yourself into thinking it prevents the system from playing used games.
Why would I want my Xbox to upload this post? Wait, I forgot, in a PC gamer's mind, it's a mortal offense to want to split recreation and work. When I get home from work, and I want to play games, I do just that...I play games. I don't give a shit that my Xbox can't post to a forum board. Do you know what I have to do that? I have a smartphone. I have two laptops. I have a desktop. I have a tablet. I even have a small nettop hooked to my TV. So do tell me, why would I want to use my gaming system to post to a forum board? Bragging rights? Multitasking?
The purchase justification for a console is simple;
We don't give a shit about anything except the game.
We don't care about AA this and 1080p that.
We don't care about FOV or locked framerates.
We don't give a damn about the politics of charging for DLC.
We don't care that we can't upgrade the parts in our console.
We don't care that our consoles can't be used as desktop computers.
We care that at the end of the day, we get a disk, we put it in, and it plays. We don't have to jump through hoops, we don't have to wait.
We care that the same console we bought 7 years back will still play the final game that comes out for our system.
We're pretty much a dying breed here; the ones who seem to actually give a shit about video games. I don't think I've ever met a console gamer who's told me "yeah, it was alright, but the graphics suck" or "yeah, it was cool, but I really wish it had mods". But I can't say I've ever met a PC gamer who hasn't complained about Activision, consoles, or just red-tape video game hot buttons in general.
You can stand there on your pedestal for as much as you want, but the justification for a console is real, and although it might not meet up with your high-and-mighty demands of a PC, it's very much there, and it's very much popular for a good reason.
What's that "we" you keep mentioning? Every "console" gamer I know, given the choice, would not refuse a superior gaming experience.LiquidSolstice said:
Neither do I know where that phobia you seem to have about "jumping through hoops" comes from. Moderate intelligence coupled with the ability to read English will more or less ensure a problem free experience on any platform.
A PC from 7 years ago will play games released today just fine. Nobody forces you to try and run the highest setting in those available. A console would play those same games at the PC equivalent of medium or lower anyway, and likely at 720p. That will run on your old "gaming" computer just as well. And speaking of old, a computer can run a game from 20 years ago just fine. Can you do that on your console? You'll be lucky if your console runs games from it's previous generation. btw, a PC will easily play those too.
I'm not saying that consoles aren't awesome. They are gggggreat! I have a 360, even if my game library for it is limited to 10-15 or so games that I've accumulated for it over the years since they were not available on PC. However, to say that a PC can't do everything a console can, and in most cases do it equivalent or better, is ignorant. Saying that PC gaming is much more expensive is wrong as well. The higher initial cost you'll easily recuperate from the cost of games, that much should be common knowledge by now.
Yes, you have the option to pay more for hardware and get an even better experience. That's what it is, an option.
In the end, it's all about getting the experience you want. A console rocks your boat? Good for you! And if for me gaming is an important hobby and because of rl I only have limited time to enjoy it, why wouldn't I pay as much as I deem fit and get the best of it?
Paying $90 for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING doesn't matter, ok.LiquidSolstice said:
No, i don't have ads on my PC while web browsing.
I was referring to the XBox 720 in regards to used games, not the 360, because this thread is about the 720.
You have a smart phone, a desktop, a tablet, and two laptops. And you say uploading a post from a device other than a computer is for bragging rights? I must ask if you bought all those devices yourself, because if you didn't, then it's obvious why you have this mindset.
All you want to do is play games and care about the games. But the fact that your are paying more for the games, the console, the DLC doesn't matter?
People like convenience, they pay more for it. Most console gamers just put down hundreds of dollars for a console and don't care, they don't care about any polish to a game, or whether or not the developers put any real work into it. For that same reason, they don't care whether or not Activision, Ea, or anyone else is ripping them off bigtime. You say they are the ones who "truly care about games", yet they throw away their money because they are too ignorant to do anything otherwise.
A console gamer won't complain about graphics or mod accessibility because they know they will never have it on a console, they are limited to only what the developer allows. If you want to just play a game like that, go ahead, but don't say that your preferred method of gaming is cheaper, like you previously stated, because it isn't.