Xbox 720 is another iPhone 4S!!

[Hazy992]

I can't afford a decent PC rig so to get something with these specs for the price of a slim is fine by me.

I could build you a decent one for the price of a release day PS3.

Better than this?

Possibly. I haven't looked at computer part prices in a while. Back in June I built a rig that will be playing games on ultra-high for the next 5+ years for $1000. It could probably last longer but I'm a bit of a tech junkie and will likely replace parts as time goes by just because...

Would that include the monitor, speakers etc?

No, it probably couldn't include the monitor. But you can't really fault me for that. A console doesn't come with a TV. I assume you, like me already have something for listening to sound and have a keyboard and mouse. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking, lol. Things like that are easily recycleable from one computer to the next. Better quality monitors, speakers, mouses, and keyboards could come later.

I know I can't fault you for that, but I do have to factor that in. I own a TV but I don't have a monitor or keyboard or anything like that. I use a laptop.

Ah, I got ya. A decent-ish monitor isn't too, too bad in price.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+18.5%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LCD+Monitor/9785647.p?id=1218174063096&skuId=9785647

A standard keyboard is about $10. I suppose the full package would set you back $550-$650

Right cool, I know where I stand now. Thanks

Also, $650 is just over £400. Do you think the costs would be about that price? Or do PC parts have like for like costs across countries, meaning it'd cost me £650?

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Tell me, what games play 1080p? some may have been upscaled to 1080p, but none play at 1080p native which is a MAJOR difference.

Well...

Spoiler: The following PS3 games are native 1080p:

Fifa Street 3
Full Auto 2 (demo)
God of War: Origins Collection
God of War Collection Volume II
Ico
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
MLB09: The Show
NBA07 (demo)
NBA08 (demo)
Ridge Racer 7 (demo)
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Virtua Tennis 3
World Series Of Poker 2008

Spoiler: The following PSN games are native 1080p:

1942: Joint Strike
Blast Factor
Commando 3
Echochrome
Elefunk
Fat Princess
Go Puzzle
High Velocity Bowling
Locoroco Cocoreccho
Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden
Rocketmen
Stardust HD
Sudoku
Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3

Spoiler: The following Xbox 360 games are native 1080p:

Fifa Street 3
NBA Street Home court (demo)
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Virtua Tennis 3

Not to mention all the games that are native 720p. And with this new hardware being 6x more powerful, that's looking great for consoles and this '1080p' thing that everyone finds so important. I personally think my current 360 games look and run awesome on my HDTV, so 6x more powerful is pretty awesome. Given the age of the current console tech, I think the devs have been doing flat-out amazing things. Watching what could be done with the 360 and PS3 from launch until now has been very fascinating to behold. So I can't wait for the next generation!

Yeah, i'm with you, SOME games do 1080p, but it's not friggin acceptable that SOME games can do 1080p in 2012! and hell, the games you picked were mostly old games or games that isn't on the very top shelf of graphics.

1080p is not optimal for action-oriented games. 720p is far better suited for that.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

So the rumor is that it will be 6x more powerful than 360, yet by PC standards, it will still be outdated. That's good news for me because I won't have to upgrade my PC a lot. Well, if the rumor is true. I just don't believe anything coming from IGN.

 

[Micalas]

I can't afford a decent PC rig so to get something with these specs for the price of a slim is fine by me.

I could build you a decent one for the price of a release day PS3.

Better than this?

Possibly. I haven't looked at computer part prices in a while. Back in June I built a rig that will be playing games on ultra-high for the next 5+ years for $1000. It could probably last longer but I'm a bit of a tech junkie and will likely replace parts as time goes by just because...

Would that include the monitor, speakers etc?

No, it probably couldn't include the monitor. But you can't really fault me for that. A console doesn't come with a TV. I assume you, like me already have something for listening to sound and have a keyboard and mouse. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking, lol. Things like that are easily recycleable from one computer to the next. Better quality monitors, speakers, mouses, and keyboards could come later.

I know I can't fault you for that, but I do have to factor that in. I own a TV but I don't have a monitor or keyboard or anything like that. I use a laptop.

Ah, I got ya. A decent-ish monitor isn't too, too bad in price.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+18.5%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LCD+Monitor/9785647.p?id=1218174063096&skuId=9785647

A standard keyboard is about $10. I suppose the full package would set you back $550-$650

Right cool, I know where I stand now. Thanks

Also, $650 is just over £400. Do you think the costs would be about that price? Or do PC parts have like for like costs across countries, meaning it'd cost me £650?

Yeah, I imagine it would be about £400. Being in Europe, I'm sure your shipping costs wouldn't be ridiculous like a place like Australia so there should be no gouging on that front. Just keep in mind that the price I'm throwing out is for someone to build you a computer. A Dell or an HP that cost £400 is only good enough for heating food.

Get a tech savvy friend or two, find some compatible components, and build them into a computer. This past June was the first time I ever did it and it was easier than I thought it would be. The parts all come with installation instuctions and there are video guides all over youtube.

 

[Hazy992]

I can't afford a decent PC rig so to get something with these specs for the price of a slim is fine by me.

I could build you a decent one for the price of a release day PS3.

Better than this?

Possibly. I haven't looked at computer part prices in a while. Back in June I built a rig that will be playing games on ultra-high for the next 5+ years for $1000. It could probably last longer but I'm a bit of a tech junkie and will likely replace parts as time goes by just because...

Would that include the monitor, speakers etc?

No, it probably couldn't include the monitor. But you can't really fault me for that. A console doesn't come with a TV. I assume you, like me already have something for listening to sound and have a keyboard and mouse. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking, lol. Things like that are easily recycleable from one computer to the next. Better quality monitors, speakers, mouses, and keyboards could come later.

I know I can't fault you for that, but I do have to factor that in. I own a TV but I don't have a monitor or keyboard or anything like that. I use a laptop.

Ah, I got ya. A decent-ish monitor isn't too, too bad in price.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+18.5%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LCD+Monitor/9785647.p?id=1218174063096&skuId=9785647

A standard keyboard is about $10. I suppose the full package would set you back $550-$650

Right cool, I know where I stand now. Thanks

Also, $650 is just over £400. Do you think the costs would be about that price? Or do PC parts have like for like costs across countries, meaning it'd cost me £650?

Yeah, I imagine it would be about £400. Being in Europe, I'm sure your shipping costs wouldn't be ridiculous like a place like Australia so there should be no gouging on that front. Just keep in mind that the price I'm throwing out is for someone to build you a computer. A Dell or an HP that cost £400 is only good enough for heating food.

Get a tech savvy friend or two, find some compatible components, and build them into a computer. This past June was the first time I ever did it and it was easier than I thought it would be. The parts all come with installation instuctions and there are video guides all over youtube.

Yeah cool thanks

I mean it won't be right now of course (I'm a student so I have no money ^_^) but I guess if I save up for a bit I could afford one.

 

[F4LL3N]

They're stupid in my opinion. What they should do is make it completely DD, then with the money saved from retailers/production, etc., they could make better hardware while keeping it affordable. They get the same amount of money while we get better games.

Otherwise atleast get bluray or equivalent.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Unless the new gen can run Unreal Engine 4 at 60 fps, it is an utter waste of time. It would make a nice hole in the market for someone to slip in a retard proof cheap PC that would hook up to your TV a destroy the games for the consoles.

 

[Wolfram23]

1080p is not optimal for action-oriented games. 720p is far better suited for that.

How in the world did you come to that conclusion??

 

[Wolfram23]

(Massive amount of sniping)
Yeah cool thanks

I mean it won't be right now of course (I'm a student so I have no money ^_^) but I guess if I save up for a bit I could afford one.

I posted this in the thread on that Alienware PC/console thing...

i3 2120 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077
BioStar H61 mATX mobo http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332
Patriot Signature 8gb 1600mhz RAM http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220570
XFX Double D 6790 1gb GPU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150534
Hitachi 750GB 7200rpm HDD http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145532
Apevia Small Form Factor Case with 420W PSU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144161
Samsung BluRay drive http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151222
Windows 7 64 bit http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Total: $725.92 CDN

There's places to save money here, and it's a small form factor case so that it can "fit under the TV".

 

[Micalas]

Yeah cool thanks

I mean it won't be right now of course (I'm a student so I have no money ^_^) but I guess if I save up for a bit I could afford one.

No problem! I quoted you with the below post to give you an idea. As a student, by the time you save enough money, these parts will be even cheaper

(Massive amount of sniping)
Yeah cool thanks

I mean it won't be right now of course (I'm a student so I have no money ^_^) but I guess if I save up for a bit I could afford one.

I posted this in the thread on that Alienware PC/console thing...

i3 2120 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077
BioStar H61 mATX mobo http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332
Patriot Signature 8gb 1600mhz RAM http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220570
XFX Double D 6790 1gb GPU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150534
Hitachi 750GB 7200rpm HDD http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145532
Apevia Small Form Factor Case with 420W PSU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144161
Samsung BluRay drive http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151222
Windows 7 64 bit http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Total: $725.92 CDN

There's places to save money here, and it's a small form factor case so that it can "fit under the TV".

I saw this post in that thread. Well done. Spread the gospel of the budget rig with me!

 

[Hazy992]

Yeah cool thanks

I mean it won't be right now of course (I'm a student so I have no money ^_^) but I guess if I save up for a bit I could afford one.

No problem! I quoted you with the below post to give you an idea. As a student, by the time you save enough money, these parts will be even cheaper

(Massive amount of sniping)
Yeah cool thanks

I mean it won't be right now of course (I'm a student so I have no money ^_^) but I guess if I save up for a bit I could afford one.

I posted this in the thread on that Alienware PC/console thing...

i3 2120 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077
BioStar H61 mATX mobo http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332
Patriot Signature 8gb 1600mhz RAM http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220570
XFX Double D 6790 1gb GPU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150534
Hitachi 750GB 7200rpm HDD http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145532
Apevia Small Form Factor Case with 420W PSU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144161
Samsung BluRay drive http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151222
Windows 7 64 bit http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Total: $725.92 CDN

There's places to save money here, and it's a small form factor case so that it can "fit under the TV".

I saw this post in that thread. Well done. Spread the gospel of the budget rig with me!

Awesome! I've noted down the parts. Thanks

 

[Cronq]

1080p is not optimal for action-oriented games. 720p is far better suited for that.

How in the world did you come to that conclusion??

He's drinking the console fanboy koolaid. There is NO genre except retro 8-bit which works better on lower resolution.

 

[Popeman]

I think the current X box looks fine so whatever.

 

[ph0b0s123]

The next Xbox coming out Fall 2013 will utilize a midrange GPU released several months ago (AMD 6670).

Begs the serious question of why the 6670 over a 6850 based chipset?

The 6850's cheap, being phased out of retail production and can even survive being used with passive cooling. But would deliver a massive extra chunk of power, even using a down volted version in the style of mobile chips.

Maybe they did not pick the 6850 becuase even though it can be passively cooled, the cooler takes up 3 slots! Really take a look at the cards over the 6670 that have passive cooling and imagine trying to fit them and their coolers in a console. You are right that we should be looking at GPU's that are being used in laptops as laptops are similar in form factor and cooling performance to console cases.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

How come people say that the WiiU will be barely stronger than the xbox 360, while the WiiU GPU is stronger than this one which is supposed to be 6 times stronger than the xbox360?

Only the weakest R770 card is weaker than the 6670. Any other is much stronger.

(Massive amount of sniping)
Yeah cool thanks

I mean it won't be right now of course (I'm a student so I have no money ^_^) but I guess if I save up for a bit I could afford one.

I posted this in the thread on that Alienware PC/console thing...

i3 2120 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077
BioStar H61 mATX mobo http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332
Patriot Signature 8gb 1600mhz RAM http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220570
XFX Double D 6790 1gb GPU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150534
Hitachi 750GB 7200rpm HDD http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145532
Apevia Small Form Factor Case with 420W PSU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144161
Samsung BluRay drive http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151222
Windows 7 64 bit http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Total: $725.92 CDN

There's places to save money here, and it's a small form factor case so that it can "fit under the TV".

Wouldn't the Motherboard and the RAM memory be incompatible?
The motherboard supports 1066/1333 MHz memory while the RAM you linked is 1600 Mhz.
I ask because I'm not really good with hardware and I sure need to get a new PC soon. It's outdated and too old to be upgraded.

 

[Joshimodo]

Um, midrange tech from several months ago can still do anti-aliased 1080p. What's the problem here?

Not universally. Most recent mid-high end titles (BF3, Skyrim etc.) won't even hit 40+FPS on that when on high settings.

My 5870 is significantly better, and that's getting on in hardware age. They would be better off using either a better 6-series or 5-series.

You forget that consoles do miraculous things with their hardware due to specialization. Don't forget that Skyrim is running on mid-upper range specs from 2005...

Skyrim is very well optimised and not really that visually special (in regards to fidelity - It's a triumph of design). Plus, it's running on 720, not 1080, and has no AA/ASF on consoles, and seems to be at less than 60FPS.

 

[Jimbo1212]

I think the current X box looks fine so whatever.

Really?
People said that about Doom, then Halo, and Halo 4...when you could be having this (actual in game footage):

Now tell me what gamer does not want that OR better?

Um, midrange tech from several months ago can still do anti-aliased 1080p. What's the problem here?

Not universally. Most recent mid-high end titles (BF3, Skyrim etc.) won't even hit 40+FPS on that when on high settings.

My 5870 is significantly better, and that's getting on in hardware age. They would be better off using either a better 6-series or 5-series.

You forget that consoles do miraculous things with their hardware due to specialization. Don't forget that Skyrim is running on mid-upper range specs from 2005...

To any PC gamer who has a average to good rig, Skyrim looks horrible. If I play something like MoH on Ultra, then go to Skyrim, I just want to be sick at the horrible graphics. It is cleaer that it is on very old and weak hardware.

 

[Zeh Don]

I love seeing the elitists attempting to compare PC Specs. to Console Specs. as some kind of barrometer for the graphical and calculatory power of the machine. To give you an idea of what "6 Times More Powerful" means, let's take a look at the current Xbox 360 Specs.
(as provided here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_hardware)

The Xbox 360's CPU:

The XCPU, named Xenon at Microsoft and "Waternoose" at IBM, is a custom triple-core 64-bit PowerPC-based design by IBM. The CPU emphasizes high floating point performance through multiple FPU and SIMD vector processing units in each core. It has a theoretical peak performance of 115.2 gigaFLOPS and is capable of 9.6 billion dot products per second. Each core of the CPU is simultaneous multithreading capable and clocked at 3.2 GHz.

Have a nice i7 - featuring 8 Cores - in your machine? The Xbox 360 has 3 cores, and it's only now - seven years later - starting to reach the barriers of what it can do.

The Xbox 360's GPU:

...the Xbox 360 had a chip designed by ATI called Xenos. The chip was developed under the name "C1" and "R500" was often used to refer to it.[2] The GPU package contains two separate silicon dies, each built on a 90 nm process with a clock speed of 500 MHz; the GPU proper, manufactured by TSMC and a 10 MB eDRAM daughter-die, manufactured by NEC. Thanks to the daughter die, the Xenos can do 4× FSAA, z-buffering, and alpha blending with no appreciable performance penalty on the GPU...

This GPU has a clock speed less than half of a "Mid Range" PC Card in today's market, and has been handling all modern released since 2005. Crysis 2, Skyrim, The Witcher 2 - this card was so well designed that they're still finding new and interesting things to do with it.

But hey - you have a 1 GB Card, right? 2GB Card? Well, you probably also have higher than 8GB of DDR3 RAM as well, running on your 64-Bit OS, right? More than enough fast writeable memory for your machine to do anything! Well...

The Xbox 360's RAM:

...The console features 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM clocked at 700 MHz with an effective transmission rate of 1.4 GHz on a 128-bit bus. The memory is shared by the CPU and the GPU via the unified memory architecture. This memory is produced by either Samsung or Qimonda...

The Xbox 360 has less than 1/20th of your available memory made by the lowest bidder - it has 512mb of shared DDR3 RAM for everything.

Now, let's take a quick look at the games industry today.
Take your biggest, prettiest title. In terms of raw demanding power, The Witcher 2 and the original Crysis are probably at the top of their game. Your machine probably runs them around 60fps mark with small loading times thanks to it's fast memory, assuming V-Sync and max settings of course. Everything else is generally designed for consoles first, making your expensive hardware essentially worthless.

Scaling what the Xbox 360 can do right now, compared to what the next one can do based off what we know, you'll need to upgrade your current High End PC hardware to something along the lines of 4 times more powerful to run the first generation Xbox 720 games.
EPIC designed and built a 6gb Video RAM system, running the absolute bleeding edge hardware for their demonstration of the next version of the Unreal Engine, as an example of where the technology will be for the next gen.
That system cost them over US$10,000.00 to build. The Xbox 720 will cost you less than the original Xbox 360 - US$400.00 at launch - and will run that tech demo at close to 60FPS based off it's currently known architecture.

Good luck.

 

[Popeman]

I think the current X box looks fine so whatever.

Really?
People said that about Doom, then Halo, and Halo 4...when you could be having this (actual in game footage):

Now tell me what gamer does not want that OR better?

I simply don't care. Great you are driving the industry I just can't find myself to care. My favorite games of all time are less graphically demanding then half life 2.

 

[boag]

The next Xbox coming out Fall 2013 will utilize a midrange GPU released several months ago (AMD 6670).

Begs the serious question of why the 6670 over a 6850 based chipset?

The 6850's cheap, being phased out of retail production and can even survive being used with passive cooling. But would deliver a massive extra chunk of power, even using a down volted version in the style of mobile chips.

Weird to make a brand new console with a budget-end GPU from the get go. It'll be heavily outdated within 12 months.

Then again, there are no signs of a DX12 coming with Windows 8, so at least it won't be as bad as the 360 landing with DX9 just as DX10 strikes. Never know, might even be able run ARMA/2, which would be quite something to see on Xbox Live.

But anything you buy today will be heavily outdated in the next 12 months, I understand the constant need and want for the most high end gear possible. But this is a console, not a PC.

I would be glad if they just put in more RAM this time.