Xbox One Games Will Still be Playable When Servers Shut Down

[chiefohara]

Bollocks.

Ye could have made it backwards compatible, ye didn't.

Ye could have passed xbox live and arcade games over from 360 to Xbox One, ye didn't.

Lying sack of %^*%^&

When Xbox one goes out of style ye will show the same amount of loyalty to it as ye are showing to 360 owners now.

Complete total and utter Bollocks.

 

[Infernal Lawyer]

Well this just opens a new can of worms. If this is possible at the end of the generation, then why not just scrap the DRM now? It's the question that begs to be answered.

Um, so people don't PIRATE THE GAMES?

Isn't that obvious?

That's the whole point of DRM.

But the check in process won't do anything to stop piracy as far as we know. It's a simple check that the console is connected to the internet, there is no games library scanning or double checking every game has a receipt, it's just a simple



= No action
= Disable games

There is no piracy check, no benefit to publishers, no benefit to developers, and no benefit to customers, but there are negative consequences for consumers since their product will refuse to work if a superfluous requirement is not met that will not needed for many of the games it will affect.

Are you sure that it's a simple 'is there Internets' check? Even Microsoft wouldn't be that stupid. It would be because of some DRM or account check-in scheme bullshit, but not simply checking if the console can connect to the internet in general. Do you have a reference or something to suggest otherwise?

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

You can kind of finally see the logic once you analyse the (admittedly very vague) family sharing policy. Microsoft must be banking on the idea that being able to play through someone's entire library as long as you can connect to the net (and possibly have a Gold membership) will be enough to encourage people to ignore the 24hr check.

Of course, this carrot and stick approach is rather bold considering that they don't so much hold the stick out in front of you as surgically implant it into your skull.

 

[wsmieszek]

I really do see the reasons behind the check, especially when the entire library is all digital. It could be, however, handled so much better - why the hell won't you just learn from Steam? Yes, conceivably a hundred people could download games from one account and turn the offline mode to play them "illegally". In that case, why wouldn't you make going online really worth it as opposed to forcing it like a parole officer? Achievements, non-local multiplayer, automatic updates, mods, dlc, inbuilt cross-game chat... There are just so. many. better. ways to do this thing...

 

[aba1]

So basically all the bullshit about the 24 hour checkins being "mandatory" and "critical to the console" was complete shit. Thats Microsoft for your forward thinking pro-consumer outlook.

Except, again, that's not what he said. What he said was they wouldn't just shut down the servers at the end of the cycle, not that your Xbone would never be bricked by Microsoft taking the servers offline.

You are right but experience and logic both dictate they will. They shut down the original xbox's online service they already announced that they plan to shut down the 360's online service and most older games shut down their service eventually. Eventually they won't be making money on the XBone anymore and it will be costing them money to host all their games in their cloud and have daily check ups on every single user and they simply won't do it cause it will be costing them a ton of money.

 

[Grabehn]

First: Who's major Nelson?

And second: So they have a bunch of bullshit that is not really necesary and they could not use it, but they want to use it... WOW, Everyone's EA nowadays... or maybe EA turned a bit Microsoft-ish?

 

[Armadox]

Well, first comes my favorite logic on the idea of server issues. How much money does it take to keep servers running indefinitely? Infinite money. Microsoft is not one to spend infinite money, and WILL shit can the servers straight up rather then leave one or two running to keep up with the checks and balances necessary to keep the X-box One running as we think it's designed. This is not a PC, it's not meant to be the gateway movement between work and play. It's an entertainment console, and they'll treat it like such, they don't have to up-grade it or hold the authentication in the same way they have to for PC Operating Systems, because in the end they chock it up to a toy.
Two, what happens if I swipe your disk and install it on my X-box One? You put out a complaint to Microsoft that it's stolen property and I have no right to your license, and I write to them that you sold it to me and that since I have the c.d. and purchase the license as intended does the license you have vanish? How do you fight people selling the disk, then saying it was stolen so they don't have to lose their license?
And situations like this are going to arise. If you purchase a game, and I take it from you before you get to download it, and download it myself isn't the license instantly mine cause it's attached to my X-box One? Not a big problem if your a lone guy, but in a college dorm? Who knows.
I'm just seeing the same issues that arise when servers go down for PC. You know that you can still buy Auto Assault in Big Lots? What do you get if you purchased it for 2 bucks on their discount rack right now? What do you get if you purchase City of Heroes? In a couple years what'll you actually get if you pick up a copy of Halo for the X-box One?

 

[nightwolf667]

So either they're planning to never shut down the servers (which of course is complete bull and is going to enrage people when they do it) or singleplayer stuff can be played offline perfectly fine.

Jesus christ I thought all their digging was done but they're just chucking in more and more shovels into this hole.

They seem to think that if they dig hard enough, fast enough, they'll reach China.

 

[porous_shield]

I hate his responses. It's all well and good for him to say that people should wait for the console to actually come out before answering questions about the end of that consoles lifespan, but they're expecting people to buy an expensive console and then invest in it with games and peripherals so we better damn well know if at the end of the console's lifespan if it all goes to nothing.

Oh well. Microsoft is certainly digging it's own grave with an excavator.

 

[Starke]

So either they're planning to never shut down the servers (which of course is complete bull and is going to enrage people when they do it) or singleplayer stuff can be played offline perfectly fine.

Jesus christ I thought all their digging was done but they're just chucking in more and more shovels into this hole.

They seem to think that if they dig hard enough, fast enough, they'll reach China.

Well, it's cheaper than shipping by boat.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

Yea verily

http://youtu.be/aJYY1CFKzTg?t=2m10s
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So, either the Xbox doesn't need it's DRM to function, meaning the cloud is a load of bollocks, or Microsoft plan on keeping the servers running forever (Which is bullshit). Or they've been straight-up lying about everything.
Not looking good for them.

 

[Starke]

So basically all the bullshit about the 24 hour checkins being "mandatory" and "critical to the console" was complete shit. Thats Microsoft for your forward thinking pro-consumer outlook.

Except, again, that's not what he said. What he said was they wouldn't just shut down the servers at the end of the cycle, not that your Xbone would never be bricked by Microsoft taking the servers offline.

You are right but experience and logic both dictate they will. They shut down the original xbox's online service they already announced that they plan to shut down the 360's online service and most older games shut down their service eventually. Eventually they won't be making money on the XBone anymore and it will be costing them money to host all their games in their cloud and have daily check ups on every single user and they simply won't do it cause it will be costing them a ton of money.

You know, the one time I don't add in a vicious little jab on the way out about Microsoft killing the servers the week after the XBone goes out of production... and someone tags me for it.

To be fair, I fully expect they'll keep the servers up for a full two years after they call quits on the new generation, and that'll be the end of everything on the XBone, but, you know.

 

[stabnex]

"Fix any of the horrible mistakes we've made that have alienated billions of people? Why would we do such a thing? We're moving toward OUR future, not yours."

OT: I'm sorry, that's all I heard. But seriously, I'm one of the people that could own the X1 w/o it hurting my library, ever, but I still won't be getting it. However, there was something else I heard when this assurance went out, and I'm sure the "we'll make it offline" hackers heard it, too. But I'll keep that to myself, seeing how I'll have no need for such information.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

I'm sorry, but what now? That doesn't seem like a direct answer.

Can we play the Xbone if the servers are shut down? Yes or no?

 

[kypsilon]

I wonder if he meant by his "flexibility" statement that when the current gen runs out they're designing the system to be compatible with future Xbox devices; in other words they may be planning backwards compatibility using their cloud system.

That's just an assumption though. Honestly I saw nothing in the interview that's made me want to jump back on board with Microsoft regardless.

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

Wow, I do not envy him for having to stand there and try to make the Xbox One sound good; though at the same time it almost sounds like he actually believes in it. That said, he could also just be putting on a face for the camera, meanwhile in his head he's thinking "How the hell am I gonna spin this bullshit?" So either he's a great actor who deserves some sympathy for having to put-up with that, or he's a monster.

And just an aside, but damn is that girl gorgeous. Regardless of whether she's an actual gamer or just a pretty face earning a paycheck.

 

[Petromir]

Yea verily

http://youtu.be/aJYY1CFKzTg?t=2m10s
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So, either the Xbox doesn't need it's DRM to function, meaning the cloud is a load of bollocks, or Microsoft plan on keeping the servers running forever (Which is bullshit). Or they've been straight-up lying about everything.
Not looking good for them.

Except an ounce of common sense tells you there's at least one way that allows cloud and the works after servers are turned off to be true.

The blindingly obvious one is: The cloud part is an optional performance boost, where calculations that are less lag dependent (AI can be one) can be offloaded to the cloud when its available allowing the system to crunch other parts of the code, when the clouds not available or the connections not up to it, the system does it all, and you take a performance hit. The DRM is just that DRM, it's required to run games until MS decide to drop the check.

Hey presto how to make a console both have a online DRM to make it let you play games and a cloud based acceleration system but not require a constant connection.

I'm not defending the precense of DRM, just that its not contradictory.