Xbox One Sells a Million Units In 24 Hours

[Dragonbums]

I'm disappointed. I wanted to see this thing crash and burn.

To be honest, I think these figures arent't that great for MS at all, in comparison to Sony's. There may be some wishful thinking involved here, but really North America is the only territory where the Xbox competes on the same level as PlayStation. In Japan basically everyone buys PS, Microsoft makes 0 effort to cater to that huge market; and in Europe, PS is also significantly more popular than Xbox, although the gap isn't nearly as big as in Japan. The fact that they didn't outsell PS in NA (and in fact probably lost by a fairly large margin) probably means that the console wars have started very badly for them.

Still it's not quite the spectacular failure I was hoping for. I suppose it was too much to hope that enough people could put aside their instant gratification in order to stick it to Microsoft.

Then again, I know some people in real life who honestly do not give two shits about Microsoft and their online tether policies.

They just want the games.

And therein lies the problem. How much shit are we going to put up with for the sake of the games before we finally agree to stick it to these companies and show them that there are consequences to having shitty business practices and making shitty business decisions?

The people who don't give a shit though are the general populace. Not so much the "hardcore" gamer crowd. Bro casuals, and very light gaming fans aren't going to give two shits about it. The most we've ever seen of a general populace media source voicing our reasoning was fox news. And while that was a pretty good thing they did ( a rarity for them.) Their reputation for being mud slingers and liars probably left a bunch of people skeptical about the truth. (that or they just skipped that segment of their news.) That just leaves local newspapers and isolated chain stores.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I'm disappointed. I wanted to see this thing crash and burn.

To be honest, I think these figures arent't that great for MS at all, in comparison to Sony's. There may be some wishful thinking involved here, but really North America is the only territory where the Xbox competes on the same level as PlayStation. In Japan basically everyone buys PS, Microsoft makes 0 effort to cater to that huge market; and in Europe, PS is also significantly more popular than Xbox, although the gap isn't nearly as big as in Japan. The fact that they didn't outsell PS in NA (and in fact probably lost by a fairly large margin) probably means that the console wars have started very badly for them.

Still it's not quite the spectacular failure I was hoping for. I suppose it was too much to hope that enough people could put aside their instant gratification in order to stick it to Microsoft.

Then again, I know some people in real life who honestly do not give two shits about Microsoft and their online tether policies.

They just want the games.

And therein lies the problem. How much shit are we going to put up with for the sake of the games before we finally agree to stick it to these companies and show them that there are consequences to having shitty business practices and making shitty business decisions?

The people who don't give a shit though are the general populace. Not so much the "hardcore" gamer crowd. Bro casuals, and very light gaming fans aren't going to give two shits about it. The most we've ever seen of a general populace media source voicing our reasoning was fox news. And while that was a pretty good thing they did ( a rarity for them.) Their reputation for being mud slingers and liars probably left a bunch of people skeptical about the truth. (that or they just skipped that segment of their news.) That just leaves local newspapers and isolated chain stores.

I didn't think the XBox One had enough appeal in it for the general populous unless the general populous just wants a glorified cable box.

 

[Trueflame]

I'd stay it's still too early to tell. The reason is that the people that would be unaffected by Xbox One's stumbles are either the unknowing casual gamers and consumers, who simply don't know about any of the drama but also wouldn't be getting any console within the first week, and the diehard fans who would camp out to get the Xbox One even if it was actually a robotic overlord that would later kill them.

To truly tell whether the negative press and negative gamer sentiment toward the Xbox One has impacted sales, we will need to wait until demand from those diehard gamers drops, and only bipartisan gamers and casuals are left. I expect the PS4 to pull ahead then. I *hope* it'll pull ahead a lot. Also, it still remains to be seen how the Xbox One and PS4 stack up on the international market. Are these Xbox One sales figures for international sales, or only in the US? Because the PS4 is only out in the US currently, and given everything we've heard we can expect PS4 to do substantial better in most international markets.

 

[AJey]

Cant wait for Microsoft to start returning all those dreaded features they removed. Although I doubt that even then people will learn.

 

[TallanKhan]

my questions is

since the PS4 is only in North America.
Is this Xbox figure in North America alone or in all the countries it launched in?

It's all countries. So to look at this from another perspective: Sony's PS3 launch sales in North America alone equal Microsoft's 13-country launch sales. Just typing it makes me feel a little better.

To be honest i can't believe anyone is suprised by both companies having hugely successful launch sales as it's typically the die hard fans of each that will have qued to purchase on launch day. The fans who will but the console regardless. Its the number of units they sell in the first 6-month that will be a far more accurate indicator of quality.

Lets just wait and see before we pronouce any verdicts. That said i do have my mallett-o-understanding (google "pearls before swine" if you want to know) ready for anyone who tries to tell me that the Xbone is a legitimate games console.

 

[Strazdas]

whats the point in these or Sony's boasts? havent these things been pre-ordered for 6 months now, how is the fact this many units shifted, news?

no console hs ever sold so much on launch. its a record. saying its not news is like saying world record for and speed being broken i not news since we expect cars to be fast.

On top of that: REGION LOCKING. Region locking is the one and ONLY thing that is stopping me from going out right now and buying a Wii U.

Join me my friend, we must bellow our anger at the most retarded region locks I've ever seen! Seriously, Nintendo has a huge problem with region locking, especially when not even half of the games that are not first party with an Italian plumber in it hardly ever get localized in other countries. I mean, I can understand region locking digital software, to a degree, but region locking physical software is the stupidest thing ever. Heck I broke the region locking on my Nintendo Wii so I could play my imported games that never came to the US. Sadly though Nintendo is very very backwards when it comes to region locking and they'll probably never change it sadly. T^T

OT: Well good for Microsoft, let's see if they can keep it up.

region locking is a DRM that was invented to stop piracy of movies. It didnt work (Where have you seen this before, ech?). It has aboslutely no right to even exist anymore in this global world asn is another great proof of just how out of touch with reality the companies running things are.

This mindset is the same mindset behind anyone who ever said that people who got consoles instead of PCs were stupid. It's judging someone for just buying a different product that the one that you liked. Microsoft was a bunch of idiots when dealing with the DRM policies and other crap, I don't think anyone is denying that. But you know what? They caved, they gave into the complaining, and everyone was happier with the changes that they made. And people bought these consoles, AFTER those changes were made. How does that send the message that gamers have short term memories? If anything it says that treating them with respect and listening to demands is the way to go.

They just wanted shiny new toys? How do you know that? How do you know that they didn't want to play Ryse, or Halo, or Dead Rising or Sunset Overdrive? Can we please not jump to conclusions and judge people who we literally know nothing about aside from what box that plays games that they bought? Really your statements are more than a little hyperbolic.

Please. Stop judging people for what gaming system they buy.

False equivalence. Console have its benefits and problems compared to PCs, and there are legitimate reasons people buy them. Well, there were till consoles became limited underpowered PCs this generation anyway. The comapriso between the two consoles however is direct one, where the two are made for same purpose, however one is not only inferior, but has one of the worst companies behind it.
There WILL be people who were uninformed that bought consoles (possbly mostly parents buying for their children, at least i hope it will be limited to that) who will end up angry that they cant play without internet and whatnot. That is not to say they were stupid or anything. Each person finds ways to reinforce its own decisions, thats how humans work and this allows for easier life in traditional enviroment, however this does not mean the decision is always the better one (essentially our minds are out enemies when objectively looking at our own choices). but this is going too much on a tangent already.
Microsoft was forced pretty much at gupoint (from a consumer perspective) to disable its DRM. This does not mean its not there, its just not active at the moment. If i robbed you, and then said sorry i wont do it again, you will just forget about it and continue being my friend? i doubt it. Gamers will. At least thats what you are implying they will do.
Halo, ryse, ect are shiny toys. People just want toys (games) and do not care that the person giving them is a pedofile (microsoft). as long as they get to play them, they wont make a stand agasint thier abuser.

I will stop judging people when their actions stop making impact on my choices.

Ahhh, the smell of failure. Not the failure of the XB1, nor Microsoft. The failure of the E3 euphoria about Sony. I know the numbers aren't just NA, that there are 13 total countries counted but honestly you think the numbers are significantly less in NA? I don't because NA is still a consumer driven country.
Why am I gloating? Because I just love to watch folk "predict" the future and crash and burn. XB1 and PS4 are both going to be around for a while, because MONEY.

Everyone knew xbox wont just stop existing after E3. nothing new here, hwever your guesses are wrong. If you sell 1 million in NA. and the opponent sells 1 million in NA+11 countries, then by the merit of pure mathematics you have sold less in NA. Significantly less unless the other 11 countries bought 5 copies each.

Whats the answer to 99/100 questions? Money.

And the answer to that 1/100 is more money. that does not an argument make.

Besides, MS actually did a 180 on most of the "damning evidence" revealed at E3 whereas Sony really didn't do anything at E3 except say "we're not doing what MS is doing". And now, after both have released, it doesn't matter what Sony said or what MS said. It only matters what games come out for what system.

Which is BAD. that means gamers are willing to forget any wrongdoing as long as they get some shiny toys.

Flame me all you want, hate me all you want but its the truth. ALL humans are selfish, even when they're being charitable.

Just dont forget your a human too.

Fire Emblem: Awakening made more sales than that. And that's a pretty niche Nintendo game.

Fire emblem sold 1 million units on day 1?

Rational discussion is still possible people.

Rational discussion on the internet? Surely your joking!

Good. A market dominated by Sony is a poor market indeed. Competition is a necessity in order to keep companies straight.

Competition exists as long as free market exists. Microsoft is neither the only nor the best competition to be had. In fact a Duopoly is even worse than monopoly. 3 or 4 large competitors make healthiest markets.

 

[Erttheking]

False equivalence. Console have its benefits and problems compared to PCs, and there are legitimate reasons people buy them. Well, there were till consoles became limited underpowered PCs this generation anyway. The comapriso between the two consoles however is direct one, where the two are made for same purpose, however one is not only inferior, but has one of the worst companies behind it.
There WILL be people who were uninformed that bought consoles (possbly mostly parents buying for their children, at least i hope it will be limited to that) who will end up angry that they cant play without internet and whatnot. That is not to say they were stupid or anything. Each person finds ways to reinforce its own decisions, thats how humans work and this allows for easier life in traditional enviroment, however this does not mean the decision is always the better one (essentially our minds are out enemies when objectively looking at our own choices). but this is going too much on a tangent already.
Microsoft was forced pretty much at gupoint (from a consumer perspective) to disable its DRM. This does not mean its not there, its just not active at the moment. If i robbed you, and then said sorry i wont do it again, you will just forget about it and continue being my friend? i doubt it. Gamers will. At least thats what you are implying they will do.
Halo, ryse, ect are shiny toys. People just want toys (games) and do not care that the person giving them is a pedofile (microsoft). as long as they get to play them, they wont make a stand agasint thier abuser.

I will stop judging people when their actions stop making impact on my choices.

No, not really. They wanted a system, you are getting their backs for not wanting the "right" system. The Xbox One is not objectively inferior with the exception of hardware comparison.

Yeah, and that really does suck that that will happen, and I hope it's limited. But not everyone is like that, let's not generalize.

It's not the same because if you rob me, you have committed the crime, Microsoft never actually got a chance to put in the DRM and got backed off. And let's be frank, I really want Sony to win this generation of console wars, but you know what? There's a lot of heavy implication that Sony was going to put this DRM BS into the PS4 too but they just kept their mouths shut about it and when Microsoft had the Xbox One reveal and everyone started flipping out they started tearing it out, and it was after Sony revealed their lack of DRM and everyone started loving it that Microsoft did the same. Sony and Microsoft both have done sleazy things, and they needed the reactions of people towards their competition to get them to change their minds. The only difference was that Sony was more suave about it and upon realizes that being a dick wasn't going to work, they started acting wholesome more quickly and didn't have their PR department run by a bunch of monkies. I don't know whether their current pro-consumer attitude is genuine or all just an act, I hope it's real, but I'll be cautious. Really, call me overly optimistic, but I'm hoping all of these actually sets precedent that treating the gamer with respect helps boosts sales. From the way you're talking, you sound convinced that people forgive quickly. Well what were we supposed to do? Complain about how DRM sucked and then when Microsoft changed it to meet our complaints, keep complaining about it?

And I hope you don't mind if I call your argument hyperbolic when you compared Microsoft to a pedophile, I don't like them as much as the next guy but come on. Abuser? The guy needs to have actually done something to be an abuser. If Microsoft brings the policies back, then that'll make them abusers, but I don't think even they are that stupid. That'd be the equivalent of committing suicide halfway through a race. Also they got a game console to play games? I can't really see what's so bad about that.

How. Please explain to me how people not marching in gridlock and having a third of your options cut off affects you in anyway shape or form. Are people just not allowed to get Xbox Ones or their anti-consumer or something? Because I have to say, I really don't like all or nothing attitudes like that. People can't just have their choices limited to what's approved by others.

 

[TallanKhan]

I wonder what the sales would've been like had they kept the original policies. It still would've sold well all because of the Xbox brand alone, but I'm sure lots of people who hated the Xbox One at first ended up picking one up after the policy changes.

As long as their new policies stay in place, I have little against the Xbox One because they listened to the negative feedback and changed it. I still have no plans to get one for a while, but I'll get it a few years down the road I'm sure.

While i would agree that Microsoft listening to customer's concerns and changing their proposed business practices as a result is a positive move, I would ask you to consider two points:

Firstly, consider their original proposals, the restrictions and policies Microsoft was proposing were totally anti-consumer. The majority had no merit in terms of any tangible benefit to the end user. Now I am not anti-corporate or anti-profit, my politics has a distinctly capitalist slant, but it is a profound imorallity to attempt to abuse a consumer base, which is what Microsoft were proposing. The fact that they planned to implement such policies tells you alot about what Microsoft thinks of their customers.

Secondly, consider the tone of their climb down. People have been saying things like "Microsoft listened and did a 180 turn" and this would have been fantastic, just, that isnt what happened. If you examine any of the statements made by Microsoft after their climbdown, not once do they accept fault, not once do they conceed that their policies were wrong, or even misguided. What many of their statements actually conveyed was their belief that what they had proposed was right, that it is the future, and that people just weren't ready for it and as such they have made concessions. Now apart from the fact that this is a massively arrogant statment, suggesting that they are entitled to dictate the way in which products will develop rather than the machanics of supply and demand, think what this means. What Microsft have said in essence is: This is where we are going, but we aren't going all the way there yet. This was not a 180 degree turn, it was merely a slowdown, the direction hasn't changed and by buying an Xbox One, you are endorsing and buying into that.

On a last note i would say that this is not a pro-Sony rant, I am not personally fond of the direction either company has gone with this console generation and am still deciding whether i will buy an 8th Gen console at all. What i would say however, at least from the initial evidence, is that Sony does appear to have (and only by a small margin) more respect for their customer base and for consumers in general.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Which games would that be? The ones that are are out on PC as well or the ones that are touted to be so bad its amazing those people are not fired yet?
Not to even mention the fact that exclusivity is a bad thing to begin with.

Well to be fair to Microsoft it seem like they have a better 2014 lineup than Sony at the moment. Halo, Quantum Break, Titanfall, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, and Fable Legends. One of the PR for MS also said that they have games for 2014 that haven't even been announced yet.

 

[Strazdas]

No, not really. They wanted a system, you are getting their backs for not wanting the "right" system. The Xbox One is not objectively inferior with the exception of hardware comparison.

Yeah, and that really does suck that that will happen, and I hope it's limited. But not everyone is like that, let's not generalize.

It's not the same because if you rob me, you have committed the crime, Microsoft never actually got a chance to put in the DRM and got backed off. And let's be frank, I really want Sony to win this generation of console wars, but you know what? There's a lot of heavy implication that Sony was going to put this DRM BS into the PS4 too but they just kept their mouths shut about it and when Microsoft had the Xbox One reveal and everyone started flipping out they started tearing it out, and it was after Sony revealed their lack of DRM and everyone started loving it that Microsoft did the same. Sony and Microsoft both have done sleazy things, and they needed the reactions of people towards their competition to get them to change their minds. The only difference was that Sony was more suave about it and upon realizes that being a dick wasn't going to work, they started acting wholesome more quickly and didn't have their PR department run by a bunch of monkies. I don't know whether their current pro-consumer attitude is genuine or all just an act, I hope it's real, but I'll be cautious. Really, call me overly optimistic, but I'm hoping all of these actually sets precedent that treating the gamer with respect helps boosts sales. From the way you're talking, you sound convinced that people forgive quickly. Well what were we supposed to do? Complain about how DRM sucked and then when Microsoft changed it to meet our complaints, keep complaining about it?

And I hope you don't mind if I call your argument hyperbolic when you compared Microsoft to a pedophile, I don't like them as much as the next guy but come on. Abuser? The guy needs to have actually done something to be an abuser. If Microsoft brings the policies back, then that'll make them abusers, but I don't think even they are that stupid. That'd be the equivalent of committing suicide halfway through a race. Also they got a game console to play games? I can't really see what's so bad about that.

How. Please explain to me how people not marching in gridlock and having a third of your options cut off affects you in anyway shape or form. Are people just not allowed to get Xbox Ones or their anti-consumer or something? Because I have to say, I really don't like all or nothing attitudes like that. People can't just have their choices limited to what's approved by others.

A bunch of hardware being inferior with hardware perspective is not a big deal. right. It is however objectively inferior in other aspects. Like the paid online capabilities, kinetic requirements, ect.
DRM is inside every single Xbox One. It even works until day 0 patch disables it. It is however always and forever inside your machine now. So if you caught me robbing you and chased me away, its all ok im still your friend? because i certainly wont try again? Your one optimistic person right there!
Sony never ever stated that they wanted t put such DRM in PS4. In fact they stated the opposite. Nothing but proofless alegations are there to talk about. We got more proof to claim that Xbox One has a faulty GPU by design due to thier factory shenanigants (which is likely why they are lacking numbers of consoles for launch and thus limiting countries) than to say PS4 ever intended to be with always on DRM. As for why PS4 not doing DRM means so much, i suggest you watch this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7533-PS4-Doing-Nothing-Meaning-Everything

MS has been abuser for years. The whole XBLG thing is so ridiculous that its amazing how so many peopel bend over and take in in the ass for something other get without abuse. That was jut another step that we made MS hide for long enough till they get complacent enough to try again. the ONLY way to make sure they dont do it again is to prove to them that bad decisions has consenquences. How? by not buying their products.
Microsoft does not have a game console. Xbox One is not a gme console. Its a glorified cable box that happens to play games. thats how much microsfot cares about games nowadays. And never, ever, underestimate stupidity of Microsoft. They are like crazy people, they may look sane sometimes, and you dont expect them to start dancing during the funeral, but they just go and do it anyway.

It affects my options directly and indirectly. It directly makes sure that games will continue to be made either exclusively or with this system as main one in mind, this being the weakest system, holding down the gaming industry another decade. It indirectly affects me as this means people are supporting anti-consumerist practices (and anyone paying for xbox - is), which means that these practices prove profitable and there is no reason not to abuse its users if you can still make as much profit right?

Yes, people have a right to make bad choices, and i have a right to call them out on it.

Which games would that be? The ones that are are out on PC as well or the ones that are touted to be so bad its amazing those people are not fired yet?
Not to even mention the fact that exclusivity is a bad thing to begin with.

Well to be fair to Microsoft it seem like they have a better 2014 lineup than Sony at the moment. Halo, Quantum Break, Titanfall, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, and Fable Legends. One of the PR for MS also said that they have games for 2014 that haven't even been announced yet.

It is true that the best PS4 games have been delayed, though Halo is far from what it used to be, Quantum break while i havent experienced is being called truly awful game by many, titanfall is not an exclusive and has so much hype around it its hard to know fact from a made up story. the other two i had to actually google as i never even heard of them, and anyone still cares about Fable?
Unanounced games dont really count because i could say i am going to release the best game ever, but i wont tell you what so give me money now.
Both consoles launched with rather crappy games lineup and Xbox really got nothing going for it to be "Better games".
To each his own of course, and some people may enjoy it. But then your better off buying a PC for titanfall than Xbox for titanfall anyway.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

It is true that the best PS4 games have been delayed, though Halo is far from what it used to be, Quantum break while i havent experienced is being called truly awful game by many, titanfall is not an exclusive and has so much hype around it its hard to know fact from a made up story. the other two i had to actually google as i never even heard of them, and anyone still cares about Fable?
Unanounced games dont really count because i could say i am going to release the best game ever, but i wont tell you what so give me money now.
Both consoles launched with rather crappy games lineup and Xbox really got nothing going for it to be "Better games".
To each his own of course, and some people may enjoy it. But then your better off buying a PC for titanfall than Xbox for titanfall anyway.

I honestly think you made up that part about Quantum Break as MS hasn't let anyone play the game and some people who have seen gameplay behind closed doors say that they were blown away. We haven't seen all 343 can do yet so maybe Halo 5 will end up being amazing. Yes some still do love Fable especially now that Lionhead has put some great new developers in the studio. Also, I think that you might want to check the review scores again for the X1 games as DR3, Forza 5, and Killer Instinct all got great review scores. Killer Instinct especially seems to be gaining a huge following among early adopters.

 

[Elijin]

snip.

Actually it says in the article that this was across all 13 countries. And on paper, right now the PS4 and the Xbone are tied. This is certainly gonna change when the PS4 comes out in Europe and Japan though.

So you're suggesting that the author has deliberately misrepresented the facts to make it seem like parity when the PS4 has not even completed release yet? Interesting.

On paper, it isn't like for like.

I'd say a launch is a launch.

Its not misrepresentation, its not hiding anything. The playstation 4 launched in one place. That's still the PS4 launch. The xbox one and ps4 had a similar launch sales.

If you look at sales in the first month then Sony will take the cake, when its available other places. But as far as LAUNCH DAY sales go, this is factually accurate.

Though Xbox One sales might also pick up a bit when people realise the end product doesnt do most of the nasty things people think it does.

 

[munx13]

Doesn't change anything - buying on launch is playing a lottery without a prize.

Besides, keeping a console alive is not up to consumers - it's a product that's supposed to give you entertainment, not an obligation to risk your money so some company can stay profitable.

If a console maker wants me to buy on launch - give me proper incentives (more launch games, discounts, etc.)

There is a prize, its called being able to use the product, and 99% are winners.

That is what are you SUPPOSED to get when you buy a product. I can "use" any console without buying day one and having only 1 or 2 games to play on it.

My stance still holds - buying a console day one is risking your money. Not only hardware failure wise, but software wise as well.

 

[Strazdas]

It is true that the best PS4 games have been delayed, though Halo is far from what it used to be, Quantum break while i havent experienced is being called truly awful game by many, titanfall is not an exclusive and has so much hype around it its hard to know fact from a made up story. the other two i had to actually google as i never even heard of them, and anyone still cares about Fable?
Unanounced games dont really count because i could say i am going to release the best game ever, but i wont tell you what so give me money now.
Both consoles launched with rather crappy games lineup and Xbox really got nothing going for it to be "Better games".
To each his own of course, and some people may enjoy it. But then your better off buying a PC for titanfall than Xbox for titanfall anyway.

I honestly think you made up that part about Quantum Break as MS hasn't let anyone play the game and some people who have seen gameplay behind closed doors say that they were blown away. We haven't seen all 343 can do yet so maybe Halo 5 will end up being amazing. Yes some still do love Fable especially now that Lionhead has put some great new developers in the studio. Also, I think that you might want to check the review scores again for the X1 games as DR3, Forza 5, and Killer Instinct all got great review scores. Killer Instinct especially seems to be gaining a huge following among early adopters.

You are right about quantum, i mixed it up with another game there. It does look like its going to be very good, however, we said the same about spore, mirrors edge and plenty of other games we were disappointed in. I also seriously doubt its going to have a physics engine powerful enough to really show time manipulation well off. it would mean you need t invent physics engine that no game ever did before, and the consoles simply arent powerful enough to run such engines in real time. nothing is.

That is what are you SUPPOSED to get when you buy a product. I can "use" any console without buying day one and having only 1 or 2 games to play on it.

My stance still holds - buying a console day one is risking your money. Not only hardware failure wise, but software wise as well.

When you buy a product? yes. When you play lottery? no. But you were the one to use the lottery allegory. And winning back your money in lottery is winning a price after all.
Buying console on ANY day is risking your money. Buying ANY consumer electronic on any day is risking your money. Buying it on launch day is a higher risk, but is the reward worth the resisk is subjective.
Yes you can use other consoles, but you wont be able to play new console games on them. and for people that want to play them, that is a huge minus.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

whats the point in these or Sony's boasts? havent these things been pre-ordered for 6 months now, how isthe fact this many units shifted, news?

no console hs ever sold so much on launch. its a record. sayin its not news is like saying worldrecord for and speed being broken i not news .

do you know how hard it is to reply on a smart phone, when someone quotes you in a wall off text of multiple quote?


My comment was more abou the fact that they were preordered, built, shipped, impossible to preorder anymore as stock was taken up in preorders.
Sony and MS should have known how many units they built and dispatched before the release, this is just planned hype announcing it like this.

Plus, world speed record vs units shifted?
High speed adrenaline vs a stock take.
Not the best comparison

 

[RicoADF]

Please be a falsified figure. Please be PR speak. Please be blatant lies. Please be anything other than the truth. After all the horrible, stupid, anti-consumer stuff MS has said and done, how could they have day-one sales like this?!

World wide release hits the same as one country for PS4, it's actually a bad figure for Microsoft as they couldn't beat Sony when they had 12 more countries. If anything it's as good a result as we could ask for, Microsoft doesn't loose too many to leave the console space all together but it's enough to learn from their mistakes. Let's hope both sides have learnt valuable lessons from this.

 

[Strazdas]

do you know how hard it is to reply on a smart phone, when someone quotes you in a wall off text of multiple quote?


My comment was more abou the fact that they were preordered, built, shipped, impossible to preorder anymore as stock was taken up in preorders.
Sony and MS should have known how many units they built and dispatched before the release, this is just planned hype announcing it like this.

Plus, world speed record vs units shifted?
High speed adrenaline vs a stock take.
Not the best comparison

Yes, i know, and i gave up on replying on smartphone.

top land speed is not important or even known for anyone buy car fans. same about game sales figures.
Yes, plenty were ore-ordered. However sale is still a sale. pre-order does nto count as sale (since for some messed up reason you can count as preorder before you pay money). PS4 is out of stock and thats why it only sold as much as it did so yeah most of them were preordered. Xbox has stock on shops though but noone is buying.
And whether it was planned or not, news is news, and since in gaming reporting what happened is the only journalism possible due to secrecy and contracts and basically anti-media tings (try exposing something about a company like microsoft, see how long you remain a game journalist, while on regular journalism we got publications dedicated for such exposition alone).

 

[Hero of Lime]

While i would agree that Microsoft listening to customer's concerns and changing their proposed business practices as a result is a positive move, I would ask you to consider two points:

Firstly, consider their original proposals, the restrictions and policies Microsoft was proposing were totally anti-consumer. The majority had no merit in terms of any tangible benefit to the end user. Now I am not anti-corporate or anti-profit, my politics has a distinctly capitalist slant, but it is a profound imorallity to attempt to abuse a consumer base, which is what Microsoft were proposing. The fact that they planned to implement such policies tells you alot about what Microsoft thinks of their customers.

Secondly, consider the tone of their climb down. People have been saying things like "Microsoft listened and did a 180 turn" and this would have been fantastic, just, that isnt what happened. If you examine any of the statements made by Microsoft after their climbdown, not once do they accept fault, not once do they conceed that their policies were wrong, or even misguided. What many of their statements actually conveyed was their belief that what they had proposed was right, that it is the future, and that people just weren't ready for it and as such they have made concessions. Now apart from the fact that this is a massively arrogant statment, suggesting that they are entitled to dictate the way in which products will develop rather than the machanics of supply and demand, think what this means. What Microsft have said in essence is: This is where we are going, but we aren't going all the way there yet. This was not a 180 degree turn, it was merely a slowdown, the direction hasn't changed and by buying an Xbox One, you are endorsing and buying into that.

On a last note i would say that this is not a pro-Sony rant, I am not personally fond of the direction either company has gone with this console generation and am still deciding whether i will buy an 8th Gen console at all. What i would say however, at least from the initial evidence, is that Sony does appear to have (and only by a small margin) more respect for their customer base and for consumers in general.

I definitely see what you are saying. I like rewarding good business practices when selecting what companies I support, which is why I wanted nothing to do with the Xbox One at first. I still won't get the console for a few years, mainly because I'm worried they could bring the original policies once the system has sold well enough. If I don't have the console when/if they decide to reinstate those awful policies, I will happily skip the console entirely. You bring up lots of good points, and it does worry me that like you said, Microsoft never really admitted they were bad policies. Even if the Xbox One never reverts to those bad policies, the next console probably will. I have the same feeling about Sony unfortunately, I can see the PS5 being just like what the Xbox One was, they might just announce it to make it sound more appealing.

 

[blackrave]

I'm disappointed. I wanted to see this thing crash and burn.

Brofist!

But I'm disappointed by all of you
Yes I am
Now feel bad because some insignificant person over the internet disproves your actions!

 

[Little Gray]

The PS4 having more consoles sold in North America overall is interesting. The US sided heavily with the 360 last gen. This flip means that the bad marketing did have a decent effect on MS. They failed to convey their 180s to the gamers who don't follow gaming news.

That is not necessarily true. The xbox and ps4 were both sold out months before they actually came out and that one million sales figure is actually the cap because thats is all the consoles they had shipped. You cant start comparing them until consoles are readily available for people to walk into a store and buy.