Shouldn't Microsoft have been aware of the issue as soon as they looked into integrating a 60hz gaming console with 50hz TV services in Europe? Or would that be too much to ask from a multi billion dollar company?Karloff said:
Xbox One UK TV Unwatchable, US Frame Rate May Be To Blame
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I was a little confused at first, but after reading and rereading the posts I think I have things straight. So the system plays games fine. It's the TV options that are running into problems, correct? At first I thought it was all features weren't being displayed properly on the screen. I had thought the restricted markets was due to the limited functionality of the kinect, but it would seem TV was also a factor. For a minute there I was curious if PS4 ran into a similar problem, but as someone mentioned majority of their system is about the game. Although PS4 does have Hulo, Amazon, and Netflix. Would those have similar problems too? Or is streaming movies that vastly different from the television feed via the Xbox One? I will say this is quite the oversight on MS's part. With there hope to incorporate the console with cableboxes you'd think they knew about the system each country used.
The Xbox team failing to consider how things work outside of the US doesn't really surprise me. On the bright side for those affected the 180 still works as a game console, which is probably its primary function.
This article is hilariously poorly written from a technical standpoint. DVB-T does not define frame-rates. It is a standard for the encoding, transmission, and decoding of digital broadcast signals. DVB-T allows the transmission of different frame-rates. So, how would the adoption of DVB-T fix this issue?Karloff said:
PAL, on the other hand, defines a system of analog image encoding - whether it is used for broadcast or not. And it does specify a frequency of 50Hz, or 25fps (interlaced) in today's language. PAL is used as a standard for recording video, whether it is broadcast or not. It is used on video recorders and cameras, for example. DVB-T is specifically about broadcast transmissions.
So, way to mix up two completely different concepts there, article. And way to not explain how it even relates to this issue in particular.
Back to the Xbone - isn't this feature essentially Picture-in-Picture (PIP) which was an expensive, much-hyped, high-end feature when it came out for analog TV sets - but which nobody ever actually used and the market largely ignored? Seems like the same deal here. Who the hell wants a TV screen overlaid on their game in the first place?
Honestly curious here, with the Xbone only outputting through HDMI, the only TVs that can use it are HDTVs, correct?, now, aren't HDTV's standardized at 60 hz all over europe yet?, heck, there already are 120hz and 240hz TV's there.
If not, I'm not too surprised MS didn't consider there were other continents outside of America :/
If not, I'm not too surprised MS didn't consider there were other continents outside of America :/
Well, after close examination of the wreckage, it seems that a reliance on modern electrical technology in these maglev trains instead of good old-fashioned hardware has caused the majority of the accidents, as problems seem more difficult to anticipate until after they have gone horribly wrong.Credossuck said:
This has resulted in a call for a return to older, more reliable coal-powered steam trains. These steam machines have been around forever, and can be cobbled together from a variety of parts that are easily obtained. However, a major recipient of unanticipated business are manufacturers of high pressure steam valves, as they are a key component bottleneck, yet seem to have a monopoly on the distribution of these units.
I guess that answers your question as to who is getting rich.
The problem does not lie with the TV, it's the broadcast and the xbox that aren't compatible.SupahGamuh said:
The thing that is going on is that the xbox one can not conjure British TV broadcasts out of thin air, it has to receive a signal from somewhere, and that signal is transmitted in PAL format (25fps interlaced, 50hz). However the xbox uses NTSC format (30fps, 60hz) by default, and you cannot play a PAL video in NTSC without converting the framerate first, that is what is causing this problem.
Really a big rookie mistake on Microsofts part, this is a flaw that should have been foreseen and dealt with during the planning phase for this TV thing.
This doesn't come as much of a surprise, the machine was clearly geared toward mainly the US. Half the features like Netflix aren't even available in my country anyway.
This could be said for the 360 and the PS3 as well though, they had their fair share of issues.EclipsiumRasa said:
Even the Gamecube was able to toggle between 60 and 50 hertz!
And that was ten years ago. Are you seriously telling me that not one of the hundreds of people who designed that thing thought to add a standard feature like hertz output options?
Well, it was only a thought that Xbox didn't care about foreign markets outside of the North American continent. And now we know for sure. Thanks for clearing that up, guys!
And that was ten years ago. Are you seriously telling me that not one of the hundreds of people who designed that thing thought to add a standard feature like hertz output options?
Well, it was only a thought that Xbox didn't care about foreign markets outside of the North American continent. And now we know for sure. Thanks for clearing that up, guys!
What is it with this generation and framerates? First Need For Speed: Rivals locks the framerate at 30 FPS and when you unlock the framerate on PC it speeds up like an old DOS game (Assuming it does not break!) and now this!
Sounds to me like someone either in the engineering department or the manufacturing department needs to be fired, cause, in my opinion, that's just plain negligence of due diligence. The difference between American (60 Hz) and European (50 Hz) electronics specifications is very well-known. Further, those cycle differences aren't just NTSC vs. PAL video standards, the electricity in the different regions cycles at those frequencies. Even more so, the standard voltage of electronics in European nations is different from the American standard. Again, this is all very well-known. Not much excuse for any world-wide distribution of electronics to not have accounted for this very basic fact.
I mean, holy hell, 2 seconds on Google (literally) pulls up this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country. (Come to think of it, I need to keep this in mind myself, if and when I have to ever travel overseas and deal with plugging my laptop up somewhere. Have to find an appropriate voltage-cycle converter.)
I mean, holy hell, 2 seconds on Google (literally) pulls up this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country. (Come to think of it, I need to keep this in mind myself, if and when I have to ever travel overseas and deal with plugging my laptop up somewhere. Have to find an appropriate voltage-cycle converter.)
The UK, Australia and New Zealand are part of the 13 and while NZ and Aus are moving away from PAL the UK is one of the largest markets for the Xbone outside the US.medv4380 said:
If the drop from 21 to 31 was due to this as well as Kinect localizations (which was strange as many European countries that used the same language were dropped while others stayed, which also became moot when Kinect would only be available for 5 countries anyway) the UK should have been dropped as well.
In all it looks as MS incompetence is the most likely reason.