Xbox One's 500 GB HD Only Holds 362 GB Of Games

[AgentLampshade]

I'm still rocking the 60GB PS3. I think 362GB would be enough.

EDIT: Though, correct me if I'm wrong, but Xbone users can't delete games from the Hard Drive? It's just reduced in size or something? Not been following the Bone at all so I really don't know.

 

[Simalacrum]

Did IGN do a similar test with the PS4? Would be curious to see whether this is a problem solely with the Xbone, or something that we should expect from now on with next-gen consoles.

 

[Whoracle]

Well, to be fair (as hard as it is), I'd guess that the two updates aren't really NEEDED data. Most of it is temporary or used for rollbacks. Microsoft does the same with it's windows updates on your PC, and I guess they'll (grudgingly) release a tool that'll free that memory sooner or later. I mean, once a few updates have hit, they'll run out of space, so they kinda need to, and while they're sometimes STAGGERINGLY incompetent in their system designs, they're not that stupid.

 

[karloss01]

Doesn't surprise me.

Whenever I get a PS4 I'm hoping I can install a 1TB HDD in it.

People mocked me when I installed a 500GB HDD into my PS3, until they had to re download something.

When your net sucks it's nice not having to download a 5-25GB file.

you can and it doesn't void the warranty.

really when it comes to advertising they should advertise the free space not whole drive. I've yet to invest in either console (I have both 360 and PS3, playing 360 more) but with each article I find myself leaning towards PS4 because they seemed to have not locked themselves in when it comes to 3rd part hardware like Microsoft has.

 

[BloodRed Pixel]

Now come and explain to me again how consols are a easier for playing games than a PC?

I have 1TB of Games on my external HD waiting for me and only a handful ever made problems.

This generation of consoles is a disgrace and a blow into the face of gamers.

 

[snekadid]

The REAL story is this part, IMO:

Fortunately, some partition any hard drive for use in the Xbox One [http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1shto3/ign_xbox_one_hard_drive_full_at_362gb_roughly_20/cdy0st4]

So in other words, that thing that was supposedly so hard for Xbox One to get right on launch could be done by random guys on the internet with relative ease and only a week out of the launch gate.

Hang your heads in shame, Xbone hardware engineers.

This was yesterdays Jimquisition for bad PC ports XD

Honestly, I will say this again.... IT'S A PC!!!!!! Poor little console users weren't expecting an entire OS stored on their limited hardrives because before the OS was built into the machine. Congrats on all you new console adopters for supporting the practice of buying garbage PCs instead of legitimate consoles.

If it was just the "no hard drive has 100% of its storage" argument it wouldn't have been a big deal, you lose only 35GB, but 103 gigs for crap that microsoft should have put in the box itself.... lawl.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Did IGN do a similar test with the PS4? Would be curious to see whether this is a problem solely with the Xbone, or something that we should expect from now on with next-gen consoles.

I don't think it'd be as relevant on a PS, as the drive can be replaced with a larger one.

 

[lacktheknack]

And you can't even swap the hard drive out for a bigger one.

GG Microsoft. Way to... way to be you.

But the article said-

The REAL story is this part, IMO:

Fortunately, some partition any hard drive for use in the Xbox One [http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1shto3/ign_xbox_one_hard_drive_full_at_362gb_roughly_20/cdy0st4]

So in other words, that thing that was supposedly so hard for Xbox One to get right on launch could be done by random guys on the internet with relative ease and only a week out of the launch gate.

Hang your heads in shame, Xbone hardware engineers.

But that's not a question of diffic-

When a company try's to take advantage of the doubt or goodwill of their customers its cause for concern.

When Microsoft does it for no reason: Disaster. I imagine they'll fulfill their promises when its convenient for them. Which, sadly, is a potentially long time to wait.

HOW is this taking adva-

Honestly, I will say this again.... IT'S A PC!!!!!! Poor little console users weren't expecting an entire OS stored on their limited hardrives because before the OS was built into the machine. Congrats on all you new console adopters for supporting the practice of buying garbage PCs instead of legitimate consoles.

If it was just the "no hard drive has 100% of its storage" argument it wouldn't have been a big deal, you lose only 35GB, but 103 gigs for crap that microsoft should have put in the box itself.... lawl.

What the hell? You're talking pure nonsen-

The same will hold true for the PS4 as well.

Except the whole point is that it won't - with the PS4, as with PCs, you can replace the hard drive with a bigger one. It's only the Xbone that leaves you stuck with a tiny drive.

Butbutbut the article JUST SAID that they've figured out how-

...

This is literally the most terrifying thread I have ever entered.

 

[michael87cn]

Just so you know Kyogissun, some people have limited bandwidth. When they go over their GB limit, they get charged additional money. So, since typical games these days are atleast 2-3 GB, having to re-download their games all the time would make some people have to pay additional money.

Something you may not have considered before posting such an angry rant.

 

[synobal]

...Who the fuck needs to have 20+ games around installed to their HDD like that? Delete games you aren't playing for fucks sake!

And for the love of fuck, do NOT drag the whole 'WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE SERVERS GO OFFLINE AND YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD THE GAMES ANYMORE?!' issue because that's NOT what this is about.

I see this becoming a problem in the future should updates not overwrite old versions so yes, in due time this CAN be a problem. Rotate your downloaded games to ones you and your friends are actively playing. I don't have Battlefield 3 installed on my PC anymore or any other MP game we've moved on from playing...

There's support for external HDD's coming in the future so while I get that this is kinda lame, it REALLY seems like 'First World Problem' than an ACTUAL 'problem'.

I currently have 167 games installed on my gaming PC, so I really don't see where you're coming from.

 

[Daaaah Whoosh]

I always assumed the consoles didn't use their own hard drives, that they had an extra one for all the non-game stuff. Seems kind of misleading to say you get 500GB when the console has to use up a big chunk of it.
Also, 20 GB for two 'updates'? Sounds to me like future updates are just going to keep taking more space out of the system.

 

[shrekfan246]

...Who the fuck needs to have 20+ games around installed to their HDD like that? Delete games you aren't playing for fucks sake!

I do delete games I'm not playing.

Since many games in the last few years have been 8+ GBs in size, however, it means I have to juggle what I want installed because I don't always feel like playing the same thing and often don't feel like only playing through one or two games at any given time.

And for the love of fuck, do NOT drag the whole 'WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE SERVERS GO OFFLINE AND YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD THE GAMES ANYMORE?!' issue because that's NOT what this is about.

You're right, but as you've been quoted on multiple times already, there are tons of other problems that you've completely glossed over. For instance...

I see this becoming a problem in the future should updates not overwrite old versions so yes, in due time this CAN be a problem. Rotate your downloaded games to ones you and your friends are actively playing. I don't have Battlefield 3 installed on my PC anymore or any other MP game we've moved on from playing...

As other people have stated, many, many countries in the world still limit download bandwidth per month. It's a terrible practice that does nothing but hamstring the customer, sure, but when you've got a 50 GB limit or whatever on your internet and the likes of The Witcher 2 is going to suck up 20 of that, it hampers your ability to do anything greatly; Especially if you like playing online multi-player, which happens to also use up a certain amount of bandwidth.

In addition, people like myself have abysmal internet speeds. It takes me an hour to download one gigabyte. That means that if I uninstall something like World of Warcraft from my system, I'm not likely to go back to it because it's going to take me longer than a full 24-hour day to reinstall it, and when I get the inclination to play something, it's not generally "I feel like playing this game tomorrow".

There's support for external HDD's coming in the future so while I get that this is kinda lame, it REALLY seems like 'First World Problem' than an ACTUAL 'problem'.

The same could be said of a great many things in reference to the hobbies most prevalent on this website.

 

[Worgen]

...Who the fuck needs to have 20+ games around installed to their HDD like that? Delete games you aren't playing for fucks sake!

And for the love of fuck, do NOT drag the whole 'WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE SERVERS GO OFFLINE AND YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD THE GAMES ANYMORE?!' issue because that's NOT what this is about.

I see this becoming a problem in the future should updates not overwrite old versions so yes, in due time this CAN be a problem. Rotate your downloaded games to ones you and your friends are actively playing. I don't have Battlefield 3 installed on my PC anymore or any other MP game we've moved on from playing...

There's support for external HDD's coming in the future so while I get that this is kinda lame, it REALLY seems like 'First World Problem' than an ACTUAL 'problem'.

You're forgetting though, people play consoles to be stupid. Meaning that they want to just be able to throw in a game and quickly play it and not have to deal with things like this, like managing the system memory. They just want to toss in a disk and play.

 

[Seracen]

Seriously NOT surprised here. I am looking forward to installing a 1 TB Hybrid-drive in my PS4. Don't see the point in SSD, as a console will not take advantage of it anyway (and, consequently, it won't last any longer).

If I ever get around to buying an XBONE, I'm likely to do the same. I really don't see why this article comes as a surprise. Developer and OS bloat have been a reality since the PC was invented...

EDIT: also, I SHOULD be able to keep my entire downloaded library on my HD at once. It is a disservice to make me re-download and wait. To paraphrase Jim Sterling, any amount of wasted time, on the consumers part, that could have been avoided, is wrong.

Moreover, consoles aren't like PC's yet, where it isn't feasible to keep such a library stored on an HD. Until consoles start getting the sheer volume of high-memory games that PC enjoys, I will remain in the "keep it all" camp.

 

[Evonisia]

20 games, well that's roughly about a year, two, three even? Yeah I think I'm fine, then I can just replace it with a better HD. Still, it wasn't to be completely unexpected.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

My windows 7 installation folder is 16gb with the TEMP and and the updates included.
Why is xbox one's OS and updates take that much for God's shake ?
An update for xbox one is like installing a full new OS to a pc.
These numbers are quite disproportional.
My guess is that they included each individual third party service like Youtube,Netflix etc as an app in the HDD,instead of having only a web browser installed and have the user use these services through the WWW.
But since these kind of services require internet connection anyway to work,it's just a bad idea to have them as apps installed on on the HDD instead of accesing them all through just a web browser.
Up until now I thought Windows 7 was taking too much space,yet now I see this machine taking like 6 times the space of what Win7 occupies. If that's how Microsoft's OS go from now and on I'm seeing myself jumping to Linux.

 

[Aggieknight]

The other important point which I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the it's been claimed the Xbone will last for at least 10 years, during which time it's supposed to be the central hub for all your media and gaming. Even if you can argue that 500GB is just about adequate now, can anyone seriously claim that the same will be true 10 years from now? I just recently threw out a 10 year old hard drive when doing some tidying. I tend to keep parts in case they come in useful at some point, but there's really not a lot you can do with a 2GB drive these days. That's what 500GB is going to look like in a decade.

And THAT is my big problem with both the Xbone and PS4 not allowing external hard drives to be inserted. Since both of them want to install games on the drive rather than just host game data, it seems to me that in 5 years, games will be consuming ~100GB each.

That doesn't take into account that the Xbone wants to also be my DVR, which is stupid. My DVR already sports a 2TB hard drive - why would M$ think that a 500GB could be sufficient?

I understand why Sony and M$ doesn't want to enable external drives (security) but there has to be a solution for the consumer. In 2 years, flash drives with 500GB will be common, but existing Xbones and PS4s won't support upgrades.

 

[Something Amyss]

Something like this and the reasons behind it should be completely expected and not surprising, but you can still see how a lot of people would find it misleading when they expect to get 500GB of storage out of their 500GB drive.

They should also understand how this works, based on pretty much every other device on the planet. Granted, 'losing' over 100GB of storage seems a touch extreme, but the launch 360 HDD was more than half unavailable, wasn't it? I think there was 9 GB of the advertised 20 GB storage space.

Further in its defence, it's not like you're going to be actively playing 20 games at one time so you can simply uninstall stuff to make up space.

That's great if you're not advertising it for online distribution/instantdownloadanywhere/thecloooooooud, and you don't want to use DVR or gameplay recording functions. And in a nation with a lot of bandwithd caps, to boot.

When a company try's to take advantage of the doubt or goodwill of their customers its cause for concern.

How is Microsoft doing either?

I see this becoming a problem in the future should updates not overwrite old versions so yes, in due time this CAN be a problem. Rotate your downloaded games to ones you and your friends are actively playing. I don't have Battlefield 3 installed on my PC anymore or any other MP game we've moved on from playing...

Sweet, will you pay my overages?

BTW, they're developing 1TB Blu-Ray discs too so... Yeah, welcome to the future.

Will the Bone or PS4 be able to read them? You have to be designed to read the extra layers, you know. This sort of thing won't in itself impact the console market, especially since both consoles in question will already be on the same level (unlike BD v DVD last gen)

I can see why they aren't willing to, though. A few years back I was visiting a friend in Washington and they used an external harddrive to pirate games. Not sure how it was done but her boyfriend was acting like he could just pick up new games on the spot.

Yeah, but that's not a problem with the external HDD. It's a problem with someone cracking the system. Which, I hate to say, doesn't require an external HDD.

Piracy is illegal, but there's literally no reason to crack down on external devices because of it.

Also 500 GB seems a bit small to me.

Consider Microsoft's last console launched with an optional 20 GB HDD.

Also, to your point on downloading, I just wanted to add that the XBL service is slow. I can download a game on Steam in the time it takes for a friend to recover his GT. Not a huge game, but one that is significantly larger than a FREAKING GAMERTAG. And Steam's often complained about for being a slow service. So yeah.

It does, the OS (or whatever it is) takes a 1/5 of the 500Gb on the PS4 but no one really likes to bring that up since it isnt Microsoft.

Or, you know, because you can slap in a new HDD with no special steps or violation of warranty.

Sometimes, it's not just about people hating on one company or another.

Just so you know Kyogissun, some people have limited bandwidth. When they go over their GB limit, they get charged additional money.

Actually, while I made that joke in my response, if I go over my cap, I can get shut down. Two times in a six month period? I can get permanently banned from the service.

It's kind of disturbing that people are defending these limitations when they're paying what I paid for my PC without the limitations. It's times like this where I really get where the the 'PC gaming master race' folks are coming from. I guess I'll just stick to my PC this gen, where I can keep over a TB of game data AND my music library AND my video library. And if I choose to delete a game, I'll probably be able to re-download it faster. And my PC that can play current gen games can also run the stuff I bought last gen.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Oh microsoft...you and the 'cloud' can both go and do one. I'm not going to have my data anywhere but locally so that when the internet decides to not be available, my stupidly overpriced hardware doesn't become just a shiny doorstop.

 

[Something Amyss]

The same could be said of a great many things in reference to the hobbies most prevalent on this website.

In fact, almost all of them. Maybe even all of them.

Let's face it, it's a website about (as you say) a hobby. Are there really going to be starving children in Africa concerned with DRM? Or anything gaming related?

Use of the phrase 'first world problems' lacks the exact sort of perspective the 'first world problems' line was poking fun at in the first place.

You're forgetting though, people play consoles to be stupid.

Then what do you say about all the folks on here who have just said they store their whole Steam libraries on their PCs?

Until consoles start getting the sheer volume of high-memory games that PC enjoys, I will remain in the "keep it all" camp.

Define "high memory." Do you mean storage space? Last gen already had 50GB games. How much higher does it need to be? current gen PS4 download games are set to all be that.

Why is xbox one's OS and updates take that much for God's shake ?

Bloatware, at a guess.