True but many business do make you spend $5 min when using a credit or debit card, how MS is screwing you out of money when the are following a established money saving business practice? I'm pretty sure every time I got MS points I got all the goods I was promised so I fail to see the problem other than people just like conspiracy theories. I like the value adding systems, steam has it now with its steam wallet and I love it and they make it $5 min to put money on it.Moriarty said:
Xbox owners - I've had an idea...
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I thought of this a while back.
The only way to make it even slightly profitable would be to make it so you only get 10 MS points per 100 gamerscore.
Still would like this system though.
The only way to make it even slightly profitable would be to make it so you only get 10 MS points per 100 gamerscore.
Still would like this system though.
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA.
You actually think that Microsoft would abandon the chance to straight out rob us?
They've got a nice little monopoly going, do you actually think that they'd let us gain stuff based on actual skill and not on them lining their pockets?
Oh boy, thanks for that. I needed a laugh.
You actually think that Microsoft would abandon the chance to straight out rob us?
They've got a nice little monopoly going, do you actually think that they'd let us gain stuff based on actual skill and not on them lining their pockets?
Oh boy, thanks for that. I needed a laugh.
I really don't think there are that many people who aren't buying a xbox because they can't afford to buy enough games. I think there are people who don't have them because gaming isn't a high enough priority to sacrifice other aspects of their life or they can't afford the console more so than the MS points for DLC. Anyone who would think that much about the console is probably going to get the console anyway, or boycott on some ill conceived notion of "sticking it to the greedy corporations".NinjaDeathSlap said:
Yes, but most people who speculate about these sorts of things have to show precedents or sound market research etc. to get their plans put through, you have neither and Microsoft have plenty of both and have made a decision opposite what you're suggesting. There's a reason for that.
So you're going to make the currency worth less by virtue of being easier to obtain? Or the product worth less, which ever you prefer.
I agree but I think MS points should stick around you know as in like an instant buy and the gamer score points should be doubled the price of MS points (possibly more) that way developers are still getting their moneyNinjaDeathSlap said:
Or gamerscore can buy some games off of the indie market place (you know those 99 cent games that way they can't get even more achievements) and avatar items like TornadoFive said
No it couldn't.SageRuffin said:
That's like saying. What if I could use the numbers on my odometer to pay for my fuel. Where's the money coming from for the guy selling the fuel? It's ridiculous. Money must change hands for there to be a sale. Sure the publishers of DLC could get paid out in cash for the amount of Gamerscore they made, but then Microsoft is paying for you to get DLC for free.
Remember that Avatar game, you could get 1000 points in 5 minutes, basicly 12$ (or something like that) for playing the game. Then you would give the game to someone else and he would get those free 12$ and so on. If you had 20 guys to buy a single Avatar game and then share the game between those guys they would make profit and use that profit to buy another game to make even more profit. INFINITE MONEYZChamale said:
Maybe I'm a fair bit more tired than I think but that seemsMosesj said:
You're undermining the Gamerscore's value by making it purchasable rather than an earned measure of skill. Even if the skill is doing stupid shit like double-back-flip-dual-wield-saw-off-shotgun-headshots or 10,000,000,000,000 points in a stupid mini game than one one even plays unless they want 10 Gamerscore and a silly achievement. Just because you don't value the Gamerscore system doesn't mean that no one does. Some of us like watching it slowly rise and feel a small triumph when we reach a mile stone or over take a friend or co-worker.
And by reducing the Gamerscore value of achievements you're making the whole process even more frustrating for those who like them.
And by allowing us to buy Gamerscore you're simply moving the complaint of paying for MS points to a complaint of paying for Gamerscore.
Good to know I'm not the only one who thought this.dosp5 said:
Anyways, I would actually really like if Microsoft implemented this. Even if it was just select DLC that you could download with gamerscore, and some still required MS points. Being a cheap bastard, I never buy MS points, and thus never get DLC. Thus, I've been avoiding a lot of games where people have said that the DLC improves the experience of the game. I know that being able to use gamerscore for DLC would entice me, at least, to pick up a few more games I haven't gotten yet.
Just because it's an established business model doesn't mean it's fair. The "but the others did it too" excuse may work for preschoolers, not corporations.PettingZOOPONY said:
I'm not saying you should boycott ms or their online store, but it's worth keeping in mind that the entire "points" system is in place because they wan't as much money as possible and it's worth trying to trick you in the process.
You know what would be a fair alternative? Being honest to customers.
"We're sorry for the inconvenience, but because of transferring fees we are forced to round up smaller purchases to a 5$ minimum transaction. The difference between your actual purchase and the amount subtracted from your credit card will be available to you as store credit for your future purchases."
There. would that be so hard? It would solve the credit card fee problem while saving your customers the hassle to buy 30$ worth of points for a 27$ game.
Terrible idea. DLC isn't something that gamers are entitled to recieve for free; it's product, like all full games. Using gamerscore as currency would either mean giving away product for free or finding another way of charging for it. Having players pay for their own gamerscores would be appaulingly unfair. If anything, a better alternative to gamerscore would be to simply sell each piece of DLC individually, for actual currency, although that brings up all sorts of issues as well.
EDIT: There's also the very likely problem that developers will lower the amount of points you can get for an achievement to increase the amount of time and money you spend on games, and also the likelihood of the live market stagnating because the currency used on it is harder to get and completely worthless.
EDIT: There's also the very likely problem that developers will lower the amount of points you can get for an achievement to increase the amount of time and money you spend on games, and also the likelihood of the live market stagnating because the currency used on it is harder to get and completely worthless.
I immediately went to the marketplace with my first gamer points trying to buy things.dosp5 said:
I'm sure using gamerscore as a secondary currency would work great. It would finally give gamerscore a use, and real value, but getting rid of microsoft points completely wouldn't be smart. Some gamers would rather just pay for something instead of investing many hours into a game for the achievements.
To everyone who says that Microsoft wouldn't do this because it would lose them money: you are ignorant. This idea would promote people to buy more games for the achievements. Of course people could rent games but a lot of achievements takes time. Its really hard to get through a campaign 3 times and find 100 hidden donuts throughout the world in a 5 day rental.
It'd be nice to see some sort of actual reward for investing so much in a game. At least throw in a couple extra levels you could play by beating games on Super-Crazy-Kill Your Self-Hard modes or something extra. I cared about my Gamerscore for a total of 1 game until, ya, it's useless.
I think it could work. Those who do invest so much time and effort into a game should get a reward for it, and not just an extra weapon or clothes...it's got to be something that'll actually inspire people to play better and longer
Also in Halo: Reach...eff the player points that you can only buy armor that does nothing for your character, I hate crap like that....a whole part of a game that designers spent a lot of effort on for something useless
I think it could work. Those who do invest so much time and effort into a game should get a reward for it, and not just an extra weapon or clothes...it's got to be something that'll actually inspire people to play better and longer
Also in Halo: Reach...eff the player points that you can only buy armor that does nothing for your character, I hate crap like that....a whole part of a game that designers spent a lot of effort on for something useless
Two things. 1, buy your MS points in store on pre paid cards.NinjaDeathSlap said:
Not, "it's possible", or "you could" I'm telling you to do this. You don't need to put credit card details on your XBL account and possibly shouldn't (See what happened to PSN recently for a reason).
2. You don't need a credit card. Ever.
Based on the fact that you said your family is stingy and you borrowing your parent's cards I'm going to go right ahead and assume you're under the age of 18. If this is so you DO NOT need a credit card, you are a child in most countries. Also, are aware that there has recently been a Global Financial Crisis yes? This was partially caused by people fucking around with money they didn't have. This is also known as credit. Get a debit card and a pay pal account and spend money you already have rather than borrowing money and paying interest on it.
Same here. Even if they merely let you use it to unlock avatar stuff, that would at least be better than the current system of 'completely useless'.dosp5 said: