XCOM: Not compatible with Win XP.

Saviordd1

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NiPah said:
Saviordd1 said:
Who...cares?

Seriously, just get Windows 7
Or just not get XCOM, smart move on limiting the market for a game that has limited appeal already. I do agree that no one cares, now if it was a game that people cared about then people would actually complain.
You don't claim that websites not supporting extremely old versions of flash is "Limiting the market" why? It's outdated.

XP IS OUTDATED. When will everyone get that and move on, yes, vista was shit, 7 wasn't; XP is old and out of date; please stop complaining when games don't support it.
 

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Jandau said:
Heres a an argument for you.

Why are you so god damn behind? Literally Windows 7 IS better than XP so you can't use the "vista excuse" anymore that upgrading would be detrimental.

Xcom isn't the first, and it sure as hell won't be the last game that wont support XP, it's an out dated OS, just freaking upgrade already.
 

ascorbius

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How many people here are looking forward to windows 8? and having the "Get with the times Man!" comment when a similar thing happens...? Just sayin'
 

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I noticed a significant increase in overall performance when I upgraded to 7.

You can almost be dead sure once the new console generation hits, damn near everything will be DX 10/11 and XP will not run the majority of new games.

At some point you are going to HAVE to upgrade. Either hardware driver compatibility or just an outright lack of support for DX9 will force you to do it or just not buy games.

Do yourself a favor, find a way to scrape together some extra money and get windows 7.
 

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As much as I want to feel for the penny pinchers out there...
Seriously. Just fucking upgrade your OS. Make sure you have at least 4GB of RAM, save up buy a Windows 7 key/license (assuming we don't have more unified/stable versions of Linux for gaming by then).

At least for the OS, you will set yourself up for PC gaming for the next 6 years, minimum. (probably longer)

I ran fucking VISTA from 2007 until this year between the computers I've built and bought, and I actually didn't encounter the trainwreck everyone groaned about after mid-2008.

I'm running Windows 7 right now, and it works fine for gaming.
 

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ResonanceSD said:
XP was released in October 2001.


What do you want them to do?
Bam. Right here.

What, are people getting angry that Skyrim wasn't released for the PS2?

XP is so outdated now that it's hilarious there are still people using it. Do new computers even have it as an option to be shipped with anymore? Seriously, Windows 7 is pretty damn solid and has compatibility with practically everything XP did. XP limits the version of DirectX you can use and the amount of RAM you can utilize (because let's be honest here, the 64-bit version of XP is absolute crap) and after a quick Wiki search, it limits the number of processors your computer can utilize too. Why the hell would you want to hamstring your hardware like that if you're a serious PC gamer?
 

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ascorbius said:
How many people here are looking forward to windows 8? and having the "Get with the times Man!" comment when a similar thing happens...? Just sayin'
Win 8 is the Vista Cycle. Win 9 is the XP Cycle. Think of it that way. You can safely jump from XP -->7-->9? without worries. Going from ME--> vista --> Win X will just make you cry.


Oh, and no one is forcing the Windows 8 upgrade on anyone here. The topic is Win XP
 

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What a decade old OS won't run your game and you're forced to upgrade? THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED OR HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF FOREVER AND I AM DISAPPOINT!

If you're so concerned about your OS being a bloated mess why are you using Windows at all? Get Linux, get a stripped down bare bones distribution. That'd be orders of magnitude more efficient then any version of windows. I'm guessing its because you want to play games and if you want to play games, you're going to have to deal with this. Support for XP won't last forever.
 

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Jandau said:
Draech said:
Jandau said:
To the people who ask "Why don't you upgrade" with the same condescension of suggesting people might want to start wiping their arses with toilet paper instead of dry leaves, the cheapest I can get the most basic W7 Home edition in my country is around $180, with the Professional and Ultimate editions going above $200 and as high as $400-500. Now, to you this might seem like a small amount. To me it isn't. I'm using a 5-year old PC and my gaming budget is VERY tight. I buy all my games discounted, I trade with my friends, we share Steam accounts, and even then it's not much fun. For the amount of money that some of the more advanced versions of Windows cost I could almost build a solid PC...

Now, I understand that people might find it absurd that someone is complaining about such an old system not being supported, but please don't be douchebags to those of us who might not be thrilled at the idea of dropping down roughly $200 to get more or less the same functionality we have on the XP.
Yet still be able to afford Xcom.....
Yes. I can wait for it to be on sale and maybe share the cost with a few friends. I'll probably end up paying $20-30, depending on how good a sale I can find and how many people pitch in. Buying W7 Professional would wipe out my gaming funds for 5-6 months. I was looking forward to XCOM and I'd love to play it, but I'm not up for paying several hundred dollars for it.
You could take another route, Windows 8. MS are doing new copies of it dirt cheap for a limited time when its released for people using older operating systems, such as XP and 7. Its a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a copy of 7. I think its like £25. Not sure what currency you use (Aus dollar or USD) but its still a crapload cheaper.
The downside though is that W8 doesn't give you the ability to swap to the XP UI and layout unlike 7 and if you want a start button and menu you will likely have to do some tinkering.

Oh and FYI people XP is still available , mostly for businesses because a lot of companies like the one I work for have older computer systems that would cost millions of pounds to upgrade them to be able to handle anything more. Our PCs at work have to have 7 removed from them and have XP added. If they all ran on 7 the stress on the Lanstream hardware we still use would be too much.
 

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Jandau said:
It's coming out on the same day as Dishonored (another game I'm looking forward to), which will happily run on XP.
Actually... it requires Vista/7, XP support won't be provided on release. And just looking at the system requirements, the recommended minimum specs are 4 GB of RAM (XP can only use a maximum of 4 GB) and a DirectX 11 Graphics Card (XP can only use DirectX 9).

Also, where do you live that Windows 7 would cost you $180? Around here in the states, it's only around $80-100, even for Professional.
 

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I also use XP and I'm saddened that Company of Heroes 2 won't run on it. Hope they plan to make that compatible with XP. I do plan to get windows 7, it'll just probably be in a year or two.
 

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Saviordd1 said:
NiPah said:
Saviordd1 said:
Who...cares?

Seriously, just get Windows 7
Or just not get XCOM, smart move on limiting the market for a game that has limited appeal already. I do agree that no one cares, now if it was a game that people cared about then people would actually complain.
You don't claim that websites not supporting extremely old versions of flash is "Limiting the market" why? It's outdated.

XP IS OUTDATED. When will everyone get that and move on, yes, vista was shit, 7 wasn't; XP is old and out of date; please stop complaining when games don't support it.
Not complaining, I honestly have 0 interest in XCOM, all this means is I won't buy it if it comes out for $10 during the Steam winter sale.
Also why would I claim anything about websites not supporting old versions of Flash? It's a two minute free download to view them and even then all you get is fancier ads and cluster fuck websites that cater to the tablet market, not to mention we were not talking about it.
(For a fun fact I'm running an older version of Flash, sadly I cannot view MySpace on it, otherwise I can view every other website)
 

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Seriously? That's pretty impressive. Now again, I'm not a PC gamer so excuse my ignorance here:

From what I heard from the interweb, Crysis was supposedly the benchmark of PC gaming when it came out (was your computer 7 years old at the time or is it seven now? If it's seven now, that's not as impressive since Crysis is 5 years old).
Haha, it would have been 8 years old in a month from now, so at the time it was two years old. Crysis, however, as you said, was a benchmark of PC gaming. Many modern games don't reach its requirements to run on Maximum settings, and XCOM is unlikely to be an exception.

Anyway, my question is: How much does it cost for you to keep that thing updated enough to run modern games? It just seems like at some point, it would be much cheaper for you to just buy a new rig (which would come with the new Windows) than it would be to sink money into the old system.
To simply run modern games, absolutely nothing. I put an initial investment of about $1000 into it, and it served me faithfully until I decided to upgrade it last year to max out BF3, still running most games anywhere between medium and highest settings. That cost me around $600 for a new CPU, Motherboard, RAM and GPU. Since then I've had a bit of spare money, so I've spent another $500 getting a second Graphics card, a 2560*1440 monitor, an SSD, a new case and a few other bits and pieces.
The price of buying an entire rig is far more than that, however. You could get a pretty poor rig in store for $600, that would struggle to run Deus Ex; HR, or you could pay for something decent and end up spending $1000 to $1500, or even better get an Alienware for between 2 and 4 thousand just because it costs a lot and that makes it sound good, but buying the parts and assembling the computer yourself is often far cheaper.
As an example, $600 at my local computer stores would net me a rig with 4Gb RAM, an i3 CPU [Maybe i5 if I'm lucky], and either inbuilt graphics, or a low end last gen GPU. For that price I managed to get an unlocked i7 CPU @ 3.4Ghz, 12Gb of RAM, a new Motherboard, Liquid Cooling for the CPU and a 560Ti 2Gb. Buying a fully built rig tends to stack on a fairly hefty assembly cost, as well as the price of the case, harddrives, cooling, disk drive, OS, sometimes M&KB - all of which you'll generally have. Its cheaper to scavenge what you already own, and augment it with a few new bits and pieces than it is to grab an entire new setup.
 

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I'm new to PC gaming, but why does your version of Windows matter in terms of a game? I'd like to be enlightened if possible as this thread is confusing me a little.
 

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My apple IIe doesn't run dishonored. Join my petition for 5 1/4 floppy disk media. 5000 1.2 MFM format floppy disks shouldn't be too much to ask!
 

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Athinira said:
ResonanceSD said:
Athinira said:
XP was a GREAT system for it's time, but here are simple facts:
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There is one area where XP beats newer versions of Windows, and that's backwardscompatibility with some older games (or softwares).

And if you run compatibility mode with Win7, even that disappears.
Unfortunately not. There are a lot of games that either don't run (or runs suboptimally/with glitches) in Windows Vista and 7, even with compatibility mode, and where it's difficult - or sometimes impossible - to locate an alternative fix on the internet. Compatibility mode isn't a universal solution unfortunately.
While true, the question becomes if you think maintaining a system that can run some subset of old games but not new ones than that is your prerogative. In my experience, most games can be made to run in some capacity or another. The old infinity engine games were quite problematic as the game suffered from severly low framerate in spite of the fact the system in question packed something on the order of 30 times the raw processing power (of which the game could reasonably access about 6 times what I used previously). Fiddling with direct X and running the game in windowed mode resolved the problem in full. Not perfect, but sufficient to play the game until the novelty of replaying an old favorite wore off.