Yay...?(!) (Outer Worlds 12 months exclusive to Epic... and Windows...)
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accusations or proof?erttheking said:
I just went to gog connect and it told me no eligible games found. I own Witcher 2 and 3. I don't see your point about connect. still seems like steam is being greedy and still making you license games and not letting you transfer them between services.Saelune said:
I just don't know why so many people here seem to be okay with steams short comings but are angry at epic. I'd say we should move to gog since you actually own the games you get from there. all other services should be tossed until they let you own the game.
Accusations of them selling data to China are accusations at this point. However, accusations of them looking at Steam accounts of any system the Epic Launcer is on? Enough weight there that Valve is talking about it.Bombiz said:
https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-doesnt-sound-too-happy-about-the-epic-store-copying-steam-data/
However, the explanation of why they are copying that particular file is totally legit, especially as people who've given Epic Launcher's data traffic a good look over seems to think that "sloppy rush job" is an apt description, especially for how it interacts with Steam. That's not to say that we should dismiss these concerns out of hand, but until someone can substantiate that Epic Launcher is actually doing something nasty or illegal with user data, this just sounds a lot like the "Origin is Spyware"-spiel that was all the rage in the early days of Origin.erttheking said:
At this point people are just looking for any and all reasons they can to justify their dislike of the Epic Launcher and gosh, wouldn't it be darn convenient if Epic was actually filling your PC with spyware and handing over your Fortnite information to the Chinese?
I feel like the whole argument against using the Epic Store is just PC gamers being fickle. The spyware claim is nothing more than an unproven accusation and it's just people complaining about installing another launcher for no reason.
Like someone else said, it's not like you have to run out and but a new 500 dollar console to play the exclusive. You literally just install a free thing and buy your games from that. It's no different than Blizzard, Bethesda, Origin, any MMO launcher, etc.
This Epic exclusivity is going to continue so long as they keep offering publishers a bigger cut of their money. Publishers like money, and they don't give a fuck about "user experience" if it means they can make more of it.
People have been using Steam forever and people don't like change, so they don't like this. But life sucks then you die, deal with it.
Like someone else said, it's not like you have to run out and but a new 500 dollar console to play the exclusive. You literally just install a free thing and buy your games from that. It's no different than Blizzard, Bethesda, Origin, any MMO launcher, etc.
This Epic exclusivity is going to continue so long as they keep offering publishers a bigger cut of their money. Publishers like money, and they don't give a fuck about "user experience" if it means they can make more of it.
People have been using Steam forever and people don't like change, so they don't like this. But life sucks then you die, deal with it.
Count me on the side of those who feel Epic is flawed in a lot of ways but right now we need some kind of Counter-balance to Steam in the PC gaming Market. GOG is better in a lot of ways but GOG doesn't really compete on the AAA side of the coin due to DRM(and no doubt other) concerns and most of the other attempts (Origin, Uplay, Bethesda) are all Publisher Specific(There's very little point to using Origin if I almost never play newer EA games). Not to mention it can be hazy which games GOG will pick up and when, and I'll admit I've bought at least one game on Steam after waiting for months for any sign GOG will be making it available and eventually just giving in. I would have much prefer giving that money to GOG but if you don't offer, you can't complain that someone else got the sale.
Steam has what's essentially a marketplace monopoly right now and it's very difficult to challenge something like that and while I'm not saying I approve of everything Epic has done, Valve certainty hasn't been helping their own case for years now and there needs to be some viable competitor. If Valve decides they need to start fixing their shit before they get their lunch eaten right off their plate by Epic, I'm more then happy with that. If Epic gets their browser and business up where it needs to be to properly compete with Steam, I'm glad to see that.
But Valve being the indolent, sloppy giant who can't seem to be bothered about how steam is run because whatever fucking reasons they have(which feels just such a fall from grace when they made games that were fucking adored due to their playtesting and polishing, even if it took a while), we need something to put them on notice. Epic is what we've got right now for better or worse.
Steam has what's essentially a marketplace monopoly right now and it's very difficult to challenge something like that and while I'm not saying I approve of everything Epic has done, Valve certainty hasn't been helping their own case for years now and there needs to be some viable competitor. If Valve decides they need to start fixing their shit before they get their lunch eaten right off their plate by Epic, I'm more then happy with that. If Epic gets their browser and business up where it needs to be to properly compete with Steam, I'm glad to see that.
But Valve being the indolent, sloppy giant who can't seem to be bothered about how steam is run because whatever fucking reasons they have(which feels just such a fall from grace when they made games that were fucking adored due to their playtesting and polishing, even if it took a while), we need something to put them on notice. Epic is what we've got right now for better or worse.
It?s not like people need to reach. I wanted to like the Epic Launcher and I do hope it improves. As it stands though, no user reviews, no offline mode, no forums, no sales, a clunky UI, no shopping cart (gonna take them six months for that, the hell?) no regional pricing, no achievements, the store is threadbare. Forced exclusives and a semi weekly free game are the only strings to its bow, and only one is good for the consumer.Gethsemani said:
As for them having legit reasons, people don?t like software examining their systems without permission. It?s why most games ask if they can share player data. Epic could?ve avoided a lot of shit by just asking first. And not strong arming exclusives in a way that has gamers constantly feeling like the rug is being pulled out from under them. Hades didn?t get nearly the level of hate as Metro, Phoenix Point, or Outer Worlds because there wasn?t a bait and switch.
Keep in mind I WANT the Epic Store to be good. I want Steam to have competition. But Epic isn?t doing that. Not yet. It isn?t offering a better service than Steam, it?s just making it so that Epic is the only option if you want certain games. Now. Epic has a roadmap of improvements, and a lot of them address my above complaints. But that just means that Epic will be better, eventually. And it needs more transparency about what it does with player data because gamers are paranoid about that. Particularly when the company is partially owned by the company that developed China?s social credit system. Until then? I?m only buying games Epic sparingly. It doesn?t give me a reason to want to shop there.
Full disclosure, I'd be happy if Epic pulled it together, but it's had a lackluster and kinda aggressive start.
While I don't mind something existing to challenge Steam - just not like this. Exclusivity might be an effective way to get hold of an initial user base, but it's also awful at the same time. Imagine every other attempt at a digital storefront attempting this.
My main reason for not giving Epic the time of day as of last I checked anyway - their store lacks basic features. No regional pricing is huge for me. Apparently there isn't even a shopping cart so you gotta purchase things one by one?
Also back when I played a bit of Fortnite, I was receiving a lot of emails regarding 2 factor authentication. So I set it up just to make them shut up about it and I got myself in a position where I couldn't log into my account. The automated recovery emails just weren't being sent! I received them like... 2 nights later. That's just fucking awful.
I've never had trouble logging onto my bloody steam account.
My main reason for not giving Epic the time of day as of last I checked anyway - their store lacks basic features. No regional pricing is huge for me. Apparently there isn't even a shopping cart so you gotta purchase things one by one?
Also back when I played a bit of Fortnite, I was receiving a lot of emails regarding 2 factor authentication. So I set it up just to make them shut up about it and I got myself in a position where I couldn't log into my account. The automated recovery emails just weren't being sent! I received them like... 2 nights later. That's just fucking awful.
I've never had trouble logging onto my bloody steam account.
from everything I've read the witcher 3 hasn't been on GOG connect.Saelune said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/a97jpj/the_witcher_3_on_gog_connect_please/
further they don't do this with most games. it's only a limited amount and only for a limited time.