yes yes I know. another sonic thread.
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firstly gamer developers seem to stick with the "if it aint broken, don't fix it" view of things .. so if it's still raking in cash there is no need to experiment .... and that's another word i'd like to enthesise ... like i said alot of genres changed alot .. alot of the time for the better .. you can never say for sure it'll lose it's feel .. you can still apply alot of it's old principles in the shape of objectives and mini games ... also you said it yourself .. some aspects of gaming are becoming dull ... liniar gaming seems to be one of those things with most new games enthesiseing freedomInternet Kraken said:
I'd be more optimistic and say it could be saved, but as far as 3D is concerned yeah you're pretty much right. I'd say their best bet would be doing what Capcom did with Megaman 9 and make Sonic 4, which cuts out the crap added to the franchise much like with Megaman.Del-Toro said:
I still blame the Tail's doll for the fall of the franchise.
well I've read most of what everyone says and it looks like a big fat huge ULTRA fat no.
and I read one where someone was saying sonic is ment for speed.
well that persons gotta point if you think about it. if you put sonic in a sandbox world he would be running into stuff and it prolly wouldnt do any better if it was turned into an MMO...
feh I dunno its never been done. if it does and it was actually "GOOD" then most of you would've been proven wrong.
and I read one where someone was saying sonic is ment for speed.
well that persons gotta point if you think about it. if you put sonic in a sandbox world he would be running into stuff and it prolly wouldnt do any better if it was turned into an MMO...
feh I dunno its never been done. if it does and it was actually "GOOD" then most of you would've been proven wrong.
Um....what's your point? You just seem to be rambling now, as I can't find the significance of this post. If there was a point to this post, they you might want to re-word it so it becomes more clear.SsilverR said:
Great, now I have this image in my head. I'm playing Shadow of the Colossus, but instead of playing as that guy and the horse, I'm playing as a sneaker-sporting, wise-cracking, bright blue hedgehog.
Seriously though, Sonic doesn't really lend himself to exploration in a 3D environment. I guess if an environment used enough contrasting colors, Sonic COULD successfully navigate at high speeds, but let us face it; Sonic Team will NEVER be that talented.
Seriously though, Sonic doesn't really lend himself to exploration in a 3D environment. I guess if an environment used enough contrasting colors, Sonic COULD successfully navigate at high speeds, but let us face it; Sonic Team will NEVER be that talented.
sonic's not about going fastThe Brian J said:
this was why unleashed had a broken boost sytem, cause they heard fans like you crying "it's all about speed!" and thought "there we go then"
and hwile it was a good game, this speed neccessity meant a lack of platforming in sonic levels which caused them to make werehog for platforming
and of course, sonic team couldnt leave it at just platforming since people wanted "variety" so they added god of war ripoff beat em up sections
sonic's about platforming where only skilled players can go through the levels at top speed and no one can go through at top speed on their first try cause they'll just end up running into a spike or crashing into a wall
if you're talking about sonic, then sonic team's the exact oppositeSsilverR said:
they fix literally everything whether or not it's good
tails gameplay in sa1, good but let's make it "better" for sa2
dont get me wrong, sa2 was an amzing game, but they butt raped tails' gameplay... and then his personality in sonic heroes.. but that entire game was just one massive rapeage of the sonic franchise - it could only have been worse if chris thorndyke was in it
the thing is, unless we see a return of the werehog next game (which is only confirmed if they make unleashed 2) thensonic team will replace it with another pointless gimmick, give sonic wings and send him flying around beaches in a race against a pointless gimmick rival character by day and being shadow in a tank by night blowing up alien buildings again and again
again, i like shadow, but i just know they're gonna destroy his character unless the actually work on their concepts since everytime they introduce a new idea, they get rid of it next game and add a new idea
ideas dont start out good, they need to be worked on
so if we get the werehog again, it will be better and even better after that until eventually it's a really good shift in gameplay between levels
I like the idea behind it. ^_^SsilverR said:
The main thing Sega seems to be missing behind their games is "proper" control over Sonic.
If they made a game which you could end up going Uber-fast like Sonic really does, without making it too clunky and/or too hard to control, then I'd go for it just for that, honestly. I'd love to play Sonic like he's meant to be played - fast, yet in control of everything he does.
The problem is, once you get to the speeds Sonic does/should in any game, it's simply too hard to get that balance right. The game mechanics made to allow ease for the player to travel at Sonic speed either make the whole thing feel too clunky, or it's simply too damn hard to control.
Once they get that balance right, I believe that a game like that will sell like no-ones business. If only they could get it right...
Then maybe you should make your points clear, because it just sounds like your rambling. It might make sense to you but it seems like you've gone off on an irrelevant tangent.SsilverR said:
Also it's not about not being able to keep up. That makes no sense, because this is the internet. I could just re-read your old posts if I missed something.
No. I want another side scroller, three protagonists (Sonic, Tails and Knuckles), one bad guy named Robotnik, little to no story (no more hedgehogs and foxes fighting Cthulhu-wannabees), and I want to be able to run really fucking fast.
SsilverR said:
This post. If you have point, make it clear because you just seem to be rambling.SsilverR said:
Sonic? Expansive world? No.
No.
NOOOOOOOO! [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigNo]
Don't give them ideas.
No.
NOOOOOOOO! [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigNo]
Don't give them ideas.
No. But that's because I haven't liked Sonic since the old SEGA games.gunbladejoe said:
His post was perfectly clear, though in limited grammar only. He simply stated that, if companies are making large amounts of money without having to do anything special, that's what they will continue doing.Internet Kraken said:
SsilverR said:
Again, you just seem to be rambling. I don't see the point of the message you sent me but I'll try address whatever things you may have tried to make clear.
I don't see the point of this part of your post. If Sonic game aren't broken, then why do we have an entire thread talking about how to fix Sonic? And Sonic games have changed a lot. People aren't complaining because Sonic games haven't changed, they're complaining because the changes to Sonic games have been negative. But I don't see how any of this has to do with your 'idea' of an open world Sonic game.
Again, I don't see the point of this part of the post either. What does this have to do with your idea of an open world Sonic game or the franchise being dead?
I never said linear game design was obsolete. Many games still have linear level design. There's no problem with it. I said Sonic benefited from linear level design. I also said that the old Sonic games had outdated gameplay mechanics, but I was not talking about the linear level design. Modern games demand far more complexity than the old Sonic games. It's hard to see Sonic fitting in with the new generation of games.