yogventures

[Scrustle]

I don't really know what to think of it. It's quite obviously a Minecraft rip off, but it seems a lot of passion is going in to it. It has at least it's own visual style to it. But I can't deny that it does kind of look like a cash in of their name and a metaphorical middle finger to Notch and Minecraft. I probably won't donate, but I think there's a good chance I'll try the game out once it's released.

 

[Trololo Punk]

Like the Yogscast (most of the time). But do not think I will buy this. Just doesn't interest me.

 

[Spongebobdickpants]

Upon hearing this i lost any respect for the yogscast that i had left. Simply abusing a young fanbase to create a branded minecraft ripoff which they will sell back to their community.

Wait, so even assuming that this is essentially a tie-in vs. an actual product (an impression I didn't really get from the kickstarter,) how is it immoral to sell merchandise?

Well morality is subjective, but i think telling your predominantly young fanbase of who idolize you to give money which you personally could put forward to fund it (they are more than good for 250k) inorder to sell them a minecraft ripoff with your face on it.

Its not immoral, but classless and deserves no respect

In your view, is it okay for them to sell t-shirts?

Yes because they are purchasing a product.

But this comparison would only be valid if instead of buying a tshirt they were asking their fans to fund their production of tshirts which they will then resell back to them. Instead of finding their own investors or indeed putting forward their own money to create their product.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Upon hearing this i lost any respect for the yogscast that i had left. Simply abusing a young fanbase to create a branded minecraft ripoff which they will sell back to their community.

Wait, so even assuming that this is essentially a tie-in vs. an actual product (an impression I didn't really get from the kickstarter,) how is it immoral to sell merchandise?

Well morality is subjective, but i think telling your predominantly young fanbase of who idolize you to give money which you personally could put forward to fund it (they are more than good for 250k) inorder to sell them a minecraft ripoff with your face on it.

Its not immoral, but classless and deserves no respect

In your view, is it okay for them to sell t-shirts?

Yes because they are purchasing a product.

But this comparison would only be valid if instead of buying a tshirt they were asking their fans to fund their production of tshirts which they will then resell back to them instead of finding their own investors or indeed putting forward their own money.

You seem somewhat confused about how kickstarter funds work. Anything below $15 is a donation, but anything $15 and above is essentially a preorder. And people who kick in money are aware of what they are spending their money on.

 

[Spongebobdickpants]

Upon hearing this i lost any respect for the yogscast that i had left. Simply abusing a young fanbase to create a branded minecraft ripoff which they will sell back to their community.

Wait, so even assuming that this is essentially a tie-in vs. an actual product (an impression I didn't really get from the kickstarter,) how is it immoral to sell merchandise?

Well morality is subjective, but i think telling your predominantly young fanbase of who idolize you to give money which you personally could put forward to fund it (they are more than good for 250k) inorder to sell them a minecraft ripoff with your face on it.

Its not immoral, but classless and deserves no respect

In your view, is it okay for them to sell t-shirts?

Yes because they are purchasing a product.

But this comparison would only be valid if instead of buying a tshirt they were asking their fans to fund their production of tshirts which they will then resell back to them instead of finding their own investors or indeed putting forward their own money.

You seem somewhat confused about how kickstarter funds work. Anything below $15 is a donation, but anything $15 and above is essentially a preorder. And people who kick in money are aware of what they are spending their money on.

Provide £15 or more to our tshirt production and we'll send you a free tshirt. Nice that changes everything /sarcasm

 

[Kahunaburger]

Upon hearing this i lost any respect for the yogscast that i had left. Simply abusing a young fanbase to create a branded minecraft ripoff which they will sell back to their community.

Wait, so even assuming that this is essentially a tie-in vs. an actual product (an impression I didn't really get from the kickstarter,) how is it immoral to sell merchandise?

Well morality is subjective, but i think telling your predominantly young fanbase of who idolize you to give money which you personally could put forward to fund it (they are more than good for 250k) inorder to sell them a minecraft ripoff with your face on it.

Its not immoral, but classless and deserves no respect

In your view, is it okay for them to sell t-shirts?

Yes because they are purchasing a product.

But this comparison would only be valid if instead of buying a tshirt they were asking their fans to fund their production of tshirts which they will then resell back to them instead of finding their own investors or indeed putting forward their own money.

You seem somewhat confused about how kickstarter funds work. Anything below $15 is a donation, but anything $15 and above is essentially a preorder. And people who kick in money are aware of what they are spending their money on.

Provide £15 or more to our tshirt production and we'll send you a free tshirt. Nice that changes everything /sarcasm

It actually doesn't change anything - and neither does the fact that this is a kickstarter project. The bottom line is that people with money are free to spend whatever they want on current t-shirts, t-shirts that haven't been made yet, custom t-shirts, donations to t-shirt factories, and so on.

It's silly to say "oh, if you ask for money for X, it's okay, but if you ask for money for Y, that's not okay!" because it's ultimately up to the person with the money to decide if this is something they want to spend money on.

 

[WanderingFool]

Okay, wild idea, but... if you dont like what they are doing, you could, you know...

[HEADING=1]NOT SUPPORT THEIR KICKSTARTER![/HEADING]​

Crazy, right?

I dont see the problem, they got a youtube fallowing and they want to make a kickstarter for their own game. It not like they need your money. Im not donating any money, but of all the kickstarters, I havent donated any money. Im not rolling in bills over here... well, I am rolling in bills, just not dollar bills. Doesnt mean I support the kickstarters any less, just means they're not getting money from me at this point in time.

 

[latiasracer]

Lulz, i like the yogscast (Flameshield to 100%)and this looks pretty good...


Guess it's just me XD Oh well!


Haters be Hatin'

 

[Spongebobdickpants]

Upon hearing this i lost any respect for the yogscast that i had left. Simply abusing a young fanbase to create a branded minecraft ripoff which they will sell back to their community.

Wait, so even assuming that this is essentially a tie-in vs. an actual product (an impression I didn't really get from the kickstarter,) how is it immoral to sell merchandise?

Well morality is subjective, but i think telling your predominantly young fanbase of who idolize you to give money which you personally could put forward to fund it (they are more than good for 250k) inorder to sell them a minecraft ripoff with your face on it.

Its not immoral, but classless and deserves no respect

In your view, is it okay for them to sell t-shirts?

Yes because they are purchasing a product.

But this comparison would only be valid if instead of buying a tshirt they were asking their fans to fund their production of tshirts which they will then resell back to them instead of finding their own investors or indeed putting forward their own money.

You seem somewhat confused about how kickstarter funds work. Anything below $15 is a donation, but anything $15 and above is essentially a preorder. And people who kick in money are aware of what they are spending their money on.

Provide £15 or more to our tshirt production and we'll send you a free tshirt. Nice that changes everything /sarcasm

It actually doesn't change anything - and neither does the fact that this is a kickstarter project. The bottom line is that people with money are free to spend whatever they want on current t-shirts, t-shirts that haven't been made yet, custom t-shirts, donations to t-shirt factories, and so on.

It's silly to say "oh, if you ask for money for X, it's okay, but if you ask for money for Y, that's not okay!" because it's ultimately up to the person with the money to decide if this is something they want to spend money on.

Your assuming this is adults making a rational decision to give to this project which is fine. But these are not informed consumers making a purpose.

These are YOGNAUGHTS!!11!.

Teens and younger who obsess over the yogscast and now these people who's lives revolve around simon and lewis are now being told to give money to them so they can make a game about themselves, and it will be THE best game ever and simon and lewis will love you if you do... I find this similar to these faith healers who for just £50 will fill your heart with jesus. Argue its business legitimacy all you want but this IS exploitative.

 

[laggyteabag]

While I like a bit of the Yogscast, they dont need their own game, especially when its got a horrible looking Minecraft-ish look to it.

 

[SomeBritishDude]

It looks ok. It is clearly a Minecraft rip off but then it doesn't matter if it's a well made one.

But I may be biased. I like the Yogscast.

 

[Dansen]

Wow, they are really close to their bench mark. When did their kick-starter begin?

Honestly, these guys are lucky to have such loyal fans, because this game looks boring, and I see no other reason as to why anyone would support it.

 

[Kayevcee]

From the description and the videos it looks more like a cross between Minecraft and Little Big Planet- more of a custom level design engine than a straight-up creative tool. It sounds quite fun. If the folk who make the custom Minecraft maps they've played through on the Yogscast produce the same level of work for this it could be a goldmine of imaginative adventury fun.

As careful readers may have realised I'm quite fond of the Yogscast and their wacky hijinks. At first I was surprised by the level of hate for them on t'Escapist, but then I remembered how many people get genuinely angry that I put my name at the end of my posts, and that's just the sort of crowd we are. Whaddayagonnado.

-Nick

 

[Kahunaburger]

Upon hearing this i lost any respect for the yogscast that i had left. Simply abusing a young fanbase to create a branded minecraft ripoff which they will sell back to their community.

Wait, so even assuming that this is essentially a tie-in vs. an actual product (an impression I didn't really get from the kickstarter,) how is it immoral to sell merchandise?

Well morality is subjective, but i think telling your predominantly young fanbase of who idolize you to give money which you personally could put forward to fund it (they are more than good for 250k) inorder to sell them a minecraft ripoff with your face on it.

Its not immoral, but classless and deserves no respect

In your view, is it okay for them to sell t-shirts?

Yes because they are purchasing a product.

But this comparison would only be valid if instead of buying a tshirt they were asking their fans to fund their production of tshirts which they will then resell back to them instead of finding their own investors or indeed putting forward their own money.

You seem somewhat confused about how kickstarter funds work. Anything below $15 is a donation, but anything $15 and above is essentially a preorder. And people who kick in money are aware of what they are spending their money on.

Provide £15 or more to our tshirt production and we'll send you a free tshirt. Nice that changes everything /sarcasm

It actually doesn't change anything - and neither does the fact that this is a kickstarter project. The bottom line is that people with money are free to spend whatever they want on current t-shirts, t-shirts that haven't been made yet, custom t-shirts, donations to t-shirt factories, and so on.

It's silly to say "oh, if you ask for money for X, it's okay, but if you ask for money for Y, that's not okay!" because it's ultimately up to the person with the money to decide if this is something they want to spend money on.

Your assuming this is adults making a rational decision to give to this project which is fine. But these are not informed consumers making a purpose.

These are YOGNAUGHTS!!11!.

Teens and younger who obsess over the yogscast and now these people who's lives revolve around simon and lewis are now being told to give money to them so they can make a game about themselves, and it will be THE best game ever and simon and lewis will love you if you do... I find this similar to these faith healers who for just £50 will fill your heart with jesus. Argue its business legitimacy all you want but this IS exploitative.

Haha oh wow. Major, major [citation needed].

This is why I go with the "it's ultimately up to the person with the money to decide if this is something they want to spend money on" principle. It doesn't rely on massive unfounded assumptions.

...also, we're back to you being unable to demonstrate that asking for kickstarter funds is significantly different from selling t-shirts. If, as you say, YOGNAUGHTS!!11! are unable to think critically, surely this would include a lack of critical thinking about their shirt-buying decisions.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Hey if they make a decent adventure game on the cheap then why not, and yes the use the Yogscast fame it's called marketing you are ingesting that shit all over the place.

And that video sure as hell shows more then any of the big boys put forth, I won't be funding it I'm just saying when it comes to cashing in on fame...

 

[Don Savik]

Eh, people can spend money on whatever they want. And you think they're tricking little kids who are fans? How are these little kids going to get a credit card to donate money? Exploiting innocent fans who don't know any better....sheesh, dumbest thing ive heard today...

I don't see why 2 monotone british guys playing minecraft rose to youtube pseudo-popularity, but if they want to make boring games to please their boring fans then they can go right ahead. The world keeps on spinning.....

 

[Spongebobdickpants]

Upon hearing this i lost any respect for the yogscast that i had left. Simply abusing a young fanbase to create a branded minecraft ripoff which they will sell back to their community.

Wait, so even assuming that this is essentially a tie-in vs. an actual product (an impression I didn't really get from the kickstarter,) how is it immoral to sell merchandise?

Well morality is subjective, but i think telling your predominantly young fanbase of who idolize you to give money which you personally could put forward to fund it (they are more than good for 250k) inorder to sell them a minecraft ripoff with your face on it.

Its not immoral, but classless and deserves no respect

In your view, is it okay for them to sell t-shirts?

Yes because they are purchasing a product.

But this comparison would only be valid if instead of buying a tshirt they were asking their fans to fund their production of tshirts which they will then resell back to them instead of finding their own investors or indeed putting forward their own money.

You seem somewhat confused about how kickstarter funds work. Anything below $15 is a donation, but anything $15 and above is essentially a preorder. And people who kick in money are aware of what they are spending their money on.

Provide £15 or more to our tshirt production and we'll send you a free tshirt. Nice that changes everything /sarcasm

It actually doesn't change anything - and neither does the fact that this is a kickstarter project. The bottom line is that people with money are free to spend whatever they want on current t-shirts, t-shirts that haven't been made yet, custom t-shirts, donations to t-shirt factories, and so on.

It's silly to say "oh, if you ask for money for X, it's okay, but if you ask for money for Y, that's not okay!" because it's ultimately up to the person with the money to decide if this is something they want to spend money on.

Your assuming this is adults making a rational decision to give to this project which is fine. But these are not informed consumers making a purpose.

These are YOGNAUGHTS!!11!.

Teens and younger who obsess over the yogscast and now these people who's lives revolve around simon and lewis are now being told to give money to them so they can make a game about themselves, and it will be THE best game ever and simon and lewis will love you if you do... I find this similar to these faith healers who for just £50 will fill your heart with jesus. Argue its business legitimacy all you want but this IS exploitative.

Haha oh wow. Major, major [citation needed].

This is why I go with the "it's ultimately up to the person with the money to decide if this is something they want to spend money on" principle. It doesn't rely on massive unfounded assumptions.

...also, we're back to you being unable to demonstrate that asking for kickstarter funds is significantly different from selling t-shirts. If, as you say, YOGNAUGHTS!!11! are unable to think critically, surely this would include a lack of critical thinking about their shirt-buying decisions.

Look at any yogscast video and look at the statistics for your sitation


This video is most popular with:
Gender Age
Male 13-17

Look at any of the fan posts/vlogs ect. These are young obsessive fans and now their idols are asking them to help them create a game

Now again i understand were you are coming from, but i still think there is a massive difference between buying and investing. The former being to trade money in exchange of a good/service and investing to give money to a producer in order for them to create a product. If this was a video reaching a million + views asking people to buy the yogscast game i would be fine with it. But to ask a predominantly minor audience to invest in a business venture is at best irresponsible.

 

[Kayevcee]

Surely most 13-17 year olds can't take part in online transactions without the permission of a parent or guardian. I understand your concerns about irresponsible kids chucking money at a project that their adolescent minds attach far too much significance to in typical adolescent fashion, but I find them difficult to relate to a Kickstarter project that requires a credit card for involvement.

-Nick

 

[James Milks]

Ok, everyone, but this is the problem...

They fucking asked for a quarter million dollars for a game that is pretty much a rip off of Miencraft. If you guys know about minecraft,you'd know that Minecraft literally cost nothing but the small scrape in the electric bill when the computer was on, considering Notch made it pretty much in his garage.

The yogcasts also make a lot of money (Estimated to 2300 a day(over 800k a year)) I know servers would cost money, but Nowhere near the ammount they make. and at that, are they paying the people who got them that money? I'm pretty sure not, and considering Notch even gives the money he makes to charity, It just downright pisses me off to see these yogcasts asking for all their followers to give them so much money at the promise that they will make a game if they help them become even more rich.

To clarify at what games cost: When a game is being made, the money put into is just the amount of money paid to the people who are artists, voice acting, advertising, and things like that.

1. They're doing this alone
2. I haven't seen any advertising yet
3. The game is practically ready to be released. It's just up to them on wether they want to stuff more things into it.

I honestly feel as though it is illegal to ask for so many people (dominated by minors) to put money into a game that cost so little in the first place, and at that, by not using the money that they made because of games other people made, when they never even paid those people...

I'm sorry, but yeah. The yogcasts are seriously some selfish pricks.