Such an argument is basically working on the idea that we only eat things we hate or loathe.
Yeah, that's not how eating works.
Yeah, that's not how eating works.
"You can't love animal's if you're not a vegetarian"
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Actually it is part of our evolution. A big part of why our brains are as powerful as they are is because our progenitors ate red meat.Ginger768 said:Part of our Evolution? is that a joke?...Tell me if it is i'm terrible on picking up on this stuffTanis said:That 'argument' is bad, and whoever makes it should feel bad.
We're animals, that eat meat.
It's part of our evolution, DEAL WIT IT!
You can survive without meat there's no necessity for it. The human race wouldn't end if we all became allergic to the stuff. We're omnivores, and since we live in a society that allows you to choose what you want to eat and both meat and other types of food are always available whether you eat meat or not is optional.
that would mean a cannibal couldn't love his tribesman, wife or children. which is just stupid.
He can but he just doesn't
He can but he just doesn't
I agree with you on this. People have a weird way of "loving" animals, considering how some are unable to touch an animal unless the difference between "cute pig" and bacon is clear, and they seem to throughly ignore any indication that the meat they are eating once was that cute little piggy.NinjaDeathSlap said:
Another problem is that while most people claim to love animals, few are actually able to put an animal down when it is necessary.
An example from real life: A deer crossed the road and got hit by a car, causing it to get severely hurt and it was clear it wouldn't make it. Someone I know arrived a few minutes later, and saw the people around it. When he asked them what they were going to do with it, they said they had called the vet to come kill it "humanely" with a shot, but it would take at least an hour for the vet to arrive. The person who told me this went into his car, and got a blunt instrument that I can't remember accurately what was, and killed the deer instantly, making it so that it wouldn't have to suffer for at least another hour. The people were shocked, even though it should have been obvious.
To love an animal shouldn't just require you to not eat their meat and not kill them, it should be to treat them well. Treating an animal well would require you to do your best so that it didn't suffer. I bet there's vegetarians that wouldn't have been able to kill that deer, or even suggest it, even thought it was clearly suffering and was going to die. It's the same with pets, my grandmother told me about someone who left their beloved dog on the mountain to starve, because it was either that or paying the vet to kill it (or taking care of it themselves). It was because it bit people it had to be put down. The reason my grandmother knew about this? That someone bragged about it, while saying they loved the dog so much.
I'm not saying that the meat industries treat animals as they should be, I'm saying that vegetarians that give an argument like the one in the OP should ask themselves whether they would be able to kill an animal if something like this would happen. A lot of the animal-lovers I know wouldn't be able to even think it.
But anyways, I believe you can love animals and still eat them when they're dead, the important thing is how they are treated while they are alive.
This reminds me of a story I read about this extremist group who would not even eat vegetables, they would only eat rocks. They would raid green grocers with guns, liberate the fruit and veg, then set it free in the woods. There was an even more extreme group that splintered off that wouldn't even eat rocks, but they died of starvation. Hilariously, the agent they send to take care of the problem can turn anything into a lethal weapon. So he's killing them with ridiculous things like rolled up newspapers, toothpicks, cotton buds etc.
Edit: Found it, "Fruitcake and Veg" by Grant Morrison.
Edit: Found it, "Fruitcake and Veg" by Grant Morrison.
I had a veggie friend who wouldn't stop making me feel bad for eating meat but loving animals. Then she'd use products that were tested on animals and eat gelatin sweets.
Or they'd brag they don't use products that have been tested on animals without realising just because the final product hasn't been tested on animals, doesn't mean the ingredients to make it haven't.
Anyway... I think there are animals for domestication, animals for eating and animals for clothing or materials. It's just the way life is right now. Meat is good, as long as you don't eat it in excess.
Or they'd brag they don't use products that have been tested on animals without realising just because the final product hasn't been tested on animals, doesn't mean the ingredients to make it haven't.
Anyway... I think there are animals for domestication, animals for eating and animals for clothing or materials. It's just the way life is right now. Meat is good, as long as you don't eat it in excess.
I dunno. I love animals, but I also enjoy eating meat (though I'd rather not see an animal before it gets killed...) To say that a person "can only love animals if they're a vegetarian" is pretty stupid...
Its not natural to not want to get your teeth in a nice and bloody rare steak.... Vegetarians and vegans are just unnatural and therefore have no valid opionion in anything.
Hmmm I'm now in the mood for some steak for my sunday dinner, think i have some of stompy the bull left in the freezer.... he was one of my favourite bulls... tastes great too
Hmmm I'm now in the mood for some steak for my sunday dinner, think i have some of stompy the bull left in the freezer.... he was one of my favourite bulls... tastes great too
I'm starting to think we should start sponsoring more vegetarians [http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor]. Look, I've got no beef with vegetarians, but when they start cooking up fishy arguments like this it makes them look like a bunch of PETA-brainwashed sheep. Chickens.
I love my cat, I love eating chicken.
Gun to my head I would prefer the pleasure of a cat as a pet over the pleasure of the taste of chicken.
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Gun to my head I would prefer the pleasure of a cat as a pet over the pleasure of the taste of chicken.
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Jesus, why's there always so much hate for the Vegetarian? I'm one and it's not because I think animals are some super case of lovely happiness we all must protect and love and all must do the same. I'm a veggie because I know I wouldn't be able to slit somethings throat so why should I enjoy the spoils if I wouldn't be willing to do the grizzly part?
I've never, ever, ever told someone they should be a vegetarian as well, the only time arguments about diet comes up is when I meet someone new, mention I am one for whatever reason and suddenly their pressed up against my face going 'WHY? WHY DONT YOU EAT MEAT? MEAT IS GOOD, ID DIE IF I COULDN'T EAT MEAT? DON'T YOU EAT CHICKEN? OR BACON? WHAT ABOUT STEAK!!!!!!!?' I swear meat must function like crack or something....
I've also never met a holier-than-thou vegetarian either. Now don't get me started on those damn vegans!!!!!
I've never, ever, ever told someone they should be a vegetarian as well, the only time arguments about diet comes up is when I meet someone new, mention I am one for whatever reason and suddenly their pressed up against my face going 'WHY? WHY DONT YOU EAT MEAT? MEAT IS GOOD, ID DIE IF I COULDN'T EAT MEAT? DON'T YOU EAT CHICKEN? OR BACON? WHAT ABOUT STEAK!!!!!!!?' I swear meat must function like crack or something....
I've also never met a holier-than-thou vegetarian either. Now don't get me started on those damn vegans!!!!!
But what if the reason I eat animals is the very reason I love them. They give me meat, meat is good. I love meat, so therefore I love animals that give me meat, because without them I would have no meat and that would make me a very, very, VERY sad panda.
