...you little...!!

[Inverse Skies]

sounds like he had a crystal ball.....

Lol, I love that quote. You'd never suspect it was from all those years ago.

 

[iJosh]

now if i have kids, and they do shit like that, I will clout them, cos it prepares you for life ahead and teaches you that actions have consequences. Good actions have good consequences, and vice versa.

Same here. I was disciplined when I was younger. If you ever got out of line you would be punished. Nowadays parents are either hippies or too lazy to do anything about their kids. Those kids are now starting to be quite the fuckers. They don't care if they get in trouble. Their parents wouldn't do anything but say, "don't do that." In a monotonic voice. Then proceed to being the lazy fucktards they are.

Now if I have kids, they are going to be the same, so they won't be all fucked up and always being bratty. I also find that the kids are quite spoiled nowadays. They get what they want and never get in trouble. What kind of world are we living in ???

 

[WlknCntrdiction]

Lol, I could tell you live in the UK. You sound like my mum.
"Give 'em a clip round earhole!"
Kids are getting ruder, but I wouldn't say parent are fully to blame. I think most of them get in a bad crowd and the friends influence them.

If you brought them up right though then they wouldn't be that easily influenced, if at all. I've had everything shoved in my face as I've grown up, alcohol, smoking, drugs, gangs,, etc but I've said "no" to all of them(well apart from alcohol but then I don't go out and get plastered like the typical British idiot)because of what my parents taught me. This whole "blame something other than the parents" attitude is exactly what causes things like this in the first place. You're not responsible for the pricks who peer pressure your son/daughter, but you can teach your kid right and then they won't end up like one of said pricks. It's the parents pure and simple.

 

[Trivun]

Do you live in the UK by any chance? This kind of thing is becoming quite common here.

Agreed. When I was younger my parents would give me a smack round the earhole if they caught me doing anything wrong. My brother, who I might add has only just turned 17, was caught stealing chocolates from my parents, then swore at them and hid in the bathroom. My dad proceeded to kick the bathroom door down, literally give him the worst good hiding he'd ever had, then made my brother pay for a new bathroom door to replace the one my dad had broken. He was about 14 at the time, I believe. Yet my brother has never had any regrets about that, as far as I know (apart from at the time, I mean). I'm 19 now and I could always expect to be treated the exact same way. And I'm all the better for it. Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of what the NSPCC does is great, but the whole "don't hit your kids" thing is just stupid. Fine, don't punch them or anything, but when your kids do something wrong then they should expect to be punished, potentially with a slap around the back of the head or something. I'm young, but I think we need to bring back National Service in the UK (and don't say no-one will want it, I would, and I have a friend who's got dual British and Norwegian citizenship and plans to do his optional National Service in Norway at some point). We need to bring back the cane, give teachers much more power in the classroom, and basically bring back corporal punishment. That said, I also think we should leave the EU and tighten jail sentences for criminals, but none of that's going to happen. We have a Labour government, after all. So don't hold your breath for massive changes within the next ten years, no matter who's in charge.

 

[Trivun]

if my mum was pissed off, we made sure to not make things worse, she is a completly loveing and caring mother, but step out of line and u face the penalty for it. sorry to rant but this reminds me of a story i heard a little while ago that annoys me:

in sum clothing shop, pirmark propably, a woman came out screaming uncontrolably for sum1 to help, after about 5 mins which she calmed down enough to tell the security that a woman was beating up her child(the other women, not shouty) turns out the kid was annoying every1 and opening curtains an stuff with people changing, or shouting, his mum grabbed him and spanked him ONCE, said a few stern words and he stopped and calmed down, yet this tard thought that was child abuse!! :S

the world need sbloody discapline, without look wot we get, neds/chavs walking the street, kids killing each other and laughing proudly about, george bush being president, gangs all over the place, it needs to bloody well stop

As little as eight or nine years ago, if I was playing up in public I could fully well expect to be slapped by my mom or dad in front of everyone, though never without a stern warning first. And when my dad gives you a slap when you're doing something wrong, it bloody well hurts.

Around the time I mentioned, I remember once when my mom was shopping and I was with her (I was probably about ten at the time, or thereabouts), and I was playing up and basically being a little shit in the middle of the supermarket. She warned me and I ignored her, so she gave me a slap that was pretty damn hard. Still didn't learn my lesson, so she slapped me again and I dropped to the floor bawling. I really was being pretty bad then. People walked past and din't bat an eyelid, though I personally got a few dodgy looks from other parents. No-one seemed to care that a mother was apparently "beating her child senseless", as your 'shouty woman' would put it, in the middle of Morrisons. I learned my lesson, and I was all the better for it. You do that now, just nine years later, and every person in the store would be calling the police, even the ones who were nowhere near and have no idea what the hell's going on. We need to bring back discipline and sod the do-gooders who say you shouldn't hit your kids. Punching is bad, fine, but spanking a child when they're naughty just to teach them a lesson should be perfectly fine. If it worked for the oldies it should work for us now.

EDIT: Double post, sorry...

 

[Lukeje]

I still don't understand the logical leap from "that child is misbehaving" to "the parents must have not hit that child enough".

 

[sirdanrhodes]

Do you live in the UK by any chance? This kind of thing is becoming quite common here.

I live in the UK, I am sick of having stuff smashed around here! That, and little pricks that know you're old enough to go to jail if you turn around and give them the bollocking they deserve.

 

[historybuff]

Man, when I was kid--if I screwed up or was rude or anything, my mom beat the shit out of me. She scared the crap out of me--and still does in some ways--sure, I hated her for it but it's made me completely intolerant of children.

And rude kids are the worst--although their parents are to blame for not caring enough to give them a proper beating. I hate wussy parents who cry, "Oh, I'd never spank my children, blah, blah, blah". My aunt and uncle refused to properly discipline their son and now he's 17, bigger than his mother is and isn't afraid to smack her.

So yeah, definitely beat the little bastard.

 

[Tonimata]

"Hippies and weaklings, bah!
In my day, a crowbar to the head was all you needed, children these days need brain damage.

Builds character!"

That would explain too much about my condition.

 

[Tonimata]

I agree, child's need education, and even though I'm against violence, a child should be put limits, and psicologically pressed if they misbehave. Sons of miseducated people create grandsons of miseducated people, grandsons create grand grandsons, and grand grandsons create tyrants.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Quite seriously though, laws need to be fixed in Britain.

Slapping some kid upside the head and not drawing blood should be legal if they're commiting an offence like public disturbance or anti-social behavior.

 

[Tron900]

Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of what the NSPCC does is great, but the whole "don't hit your kids" thing is just stupid. Fine, don't punch them or anything, but when your kids do something wrong then they should expect to be punished, potentially with a slap around the back of the head or something.

Yeh, the NSPCC do do alot of good work and are a charity of recognition. There is a MAHOOOsive margin between slapping your kid when they do something wrong and complete and utter outright abuse, like punching and kicking your child across a room!

I still don't understand the logical leap from "that child is misbehaving" to "the parents must have not hit that child enough".

Misbehaviuor in small child (e.g Stealing sweets from the local shop) = antisocial = wrong + consequence

Consequence = slap round head and grounding.

Therefore

Consequnce + wrong = bad for child (goes without tea and has a thick ear) = lesson learnt (don't steal!)

wrong - consequence = Child thinks he can get away with it forever more = society loses = UK cira 2009

Where do you not see the link? Its not about not hitting the child enough, its about parents begin parents and teaching the child that you do bad things, bad things are done unto you.

You don't neccessarly have to slap them, I got a mate whose dad used make them stand in the corner and hold a yellow pages at arms length till he said so......he deals a pretty mean "dead arm" now-a-days!

 

[Droa]

its just all bs-pc nowadays, everything is frankly just becoming retarded now, kids with no discipline grow up to be jackass adults with no discipline, there use to be bootcamps for the worse kids and they ended up learning proper life lessons from it, to be told u cant even discipline ur own child when their being little shits its just stupid, and i especially hate parents who just let there child run wild with no attempt to even bother controling them, the worlds going to hell anyway so theres no point in even ranting about it, which is quite disheartining, so little faith in humanity anymore

 

[Lukeje]

I still don't understand the logical leap from "that child is misbehaving" to "the parents must have not hit that child enough".

Misbehaviuor in small child (e.g Stealing sweets from the local shop) = antisocial = wrong + consequence

Consequence = slap round head and grounding.

Therefore

Consequnce + wrong = bad for child (goes without tea and has a thick ear) = lesson learnt (don't steal!)

wrong - consequence = Child thinks he can get away with it forever more = society loses = UK cira 2009

Where do you not see the link? Its not about not hitting the child enough, its about parents begin parents and teaching the child that you do bad things, bad things are done unto you.

You don't neccessarly have to slap them, I got a mate whose dad used make them stand in the corner and hold a yellow pages at arms length till he said so......he deals a pretty mean "dead arm" now-a-days!

I wasn't arguing that they don't require discipline, merely that that discipline doesn't necessarily require violence.

 

[Tron900]

I wasn't arguing that they don't require discipline, merely that that discipline doesn't necessarily require violence.

If you consider a slap round the head violence, then I'd like your definition of stuff you'd see in a Tarantino Movie.

and like I said, you don't neccessarly have to slap them.....

 

[Lukeje]

I wasn't arguing that they don't require discipline, merely that that discipline doesn't necessarily require violence.

If you consider a slap round the head violence, then I'd like your definition of stuff you'd see in a Tarantino Movie.

...are you seriously suggesting that a "slap round the head" isn't violence? It's a very broad definition; it can range from what is effectively a "pat on the back (of the head)" to "knocking someone to the ground".

and like I said, you don't neccessarly have to slap them.....

Isn't making someone hold books out at arms length the kind of thing they do in the army to "build character"? I'm pretty sure it still causes physical pain...

 

[Tron900]

I wasn't arguing that they don't require discipline, merely that that discipline doesn't necessarily require violence.

If you consider a slap round the head violence, then I'd like your definition of stuff you'd see in a Tarantino Movie.

...are you seriously suggesting that a "slap round the head" isn't violence? It's a very broad definition; it can range from what is effectively a "pat on the back (of the head)" to "knocking someone to the ground".

and like I said, you don't neccessarly have to slap them.....

Isn't making someone hold books out at arms length the kind of thing they do in the army to "build character"? I'm pretty sure it still causes physical pain...

yes I am, a slap round the head is not violence....

....and to quote someone: "Life is pain, get over it!"