You people are insane....(Yet another rape thread)

[Arsen]

Punishment for sexual assault is too lenient.

They scar someone else, they themselves should be scarred in a fitting punishment. If we did this more in society things would decrease.

 

[Phasmal]

If it's NOT for attention then how does wearing it at home make you feel any less special -.-

By revealing I refer to anything where you can see the skin usually only seen when someone is wearing a bikini or less.
I have no problem with them wearing what they want, just letting em know there are prowlers out there and your fancy clothes just might make you a victim >>

Plenty of people are assaulted wearing normal clothes, shitty looking clothes, all sorts of clothes.

Also, it doesn't make you feel less special. But what is the sense in dressing up to sit at home then not dressing up to go out?

You seem pretty stuck to this idea that it's for attention. I can only disagree.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

You've realised that victim blaming is dumb.
Congratulations!
I would post the castle gif, but I've been beat

 

[Keoul]

You seem pretty stuck to this idea that it's for attention. I can only disagree

Yeah pretty much :L
I just can't fathom a situation where revealing clothes is purely for yourself and not for the opinion and approval of others.
That compliment from someone you like
The heads that turn when you walk past
You get the idea.

 

[Skipper zammo]

You can, some man raped someone while sleepwalking (essentially). He had some rare condition, and if you're wondering yes he was able to prove this in court, and yes he got off.

Why should I care if he cum? *rimshot*

 

[chadachada123]

The primary issue is that if two drunk people have sex, if the girl wakes up feeling regretful, she can convince herself that she was raped. Were the guy to do so, he'd be laughed at and would certainly not be convinced that he was raped just because he was drunk.

The point is: make sure you're actually a victim before you say you are.

 

[zehydra]

" a murder can happen accidentaly"

actually no it can't. Accidentally killing is called manslaughter I believe.

 

[DugMachine]

Was this thread really necessary? All 3 of your points have been told a million times over and no progress is ever made. Get an Escapist group together and start campaigning and doing real work to stop shit like this from happening instead of typing away at your computer screen until these threads turn into who can yell the loudest/Use the biggest words to confuse.

 

[lacktheknack]

This is possibly the least useful, necessary, or redeemable thread OP I've seen on this forum in weeks.

What was your point? Why could this have not been applied to one of the billion other rape threads (that you clearly know exist)? Why are you so hostile? Etc, etc.

 

[Nyaliva]

Do you guys remember when going to parties didn't mean sex and alcohol?

That's all I really have to say on this topic. Also rape is bad. But not as black and white as it seems from out here.

 

[Vault101]

Do you guys remember when going to parties didn't mean sex and alcohol?

That's all I really have to say on this topic. Also rape is bad. But not as black and white as it seems from out here.

sex and alchohol has allways been a staple of partys ever sinced we learned that eating some plants made us go WOOOOOOOO FUN TIMES!

 

[chadachada123]

The primary issue is that if two drunk people have sex, if the girl wakes up feeling regretful, she can convince herself that she was raped. Were the guy to do so, he'd be laughed at and would certainly not be convinced that he was raped just because he was drunk.

The point is: make sure you're actually a victim before you say you are.

The primary issue is that of course you just made that up without any kind of evidence that it's so simple to get a conviction and her claim wouldn't get anywhere. Plus of course making up that a girl will convince herself of that and a guy will not. In the end, people like you will convince themselves of all sorts of bullshit.

Uhhh...what?

If a girl gets drunk and has regretful sex, she's a rape victim, according to 'much of society.'

If a guy gets drunk and has regretful sex, he's not a victim, according to 'much of society.'

'Much of society' practices a double-standard.

This is...not very difficult to understand.

 

[chadachada123]

The primary issue is that if two drunk people have sex, if the girl wakes up feeling regretful, she can convince herself that she was raped. Were the guy to do so, he'd be laughed at and would certainly not be convinced that he was raped just because he was drunk.

The point is: make sure you're actually a victim before you say you are.

The primary issue is that of course you just made that up without any kind of evidence that it's so simple to get a conviction and her claim wouldn't get anywhere. Plus of course making up that a girl will convince herself of that and a guy will not. In the end, people like you will convince themselves of all sorts of bullshit.

Uhhh...what?

If a girl gets drunk and has regretful sex, she's a rape victim, according to 'much of society.'

If a guy gets drunk and has regretful sex, he's not a victim, according to 'much of society.'

'Much of society' practices a double-standard.

This is...not very difficult to understand.

'without any kind of evidence'.

Is that phrase too difficult for you to understand?

...Do I need evidence to say that 'much of society' acts this way socially? I'm talking about in the eyes of society, not the eyes of the law or anything. It's just a common observation, you're not going to have proof for a thing like that.

...Am I being trolled or something?

 

[chadachada123]

The primary issue is that if two drunk people have sex, if the girl wakes up feeling regretful, she can convince herself that she was raped. Were the guy to do so, he'd be laughed at and would certainly not be convinced that he was raped just because he was drunk.

The point is: make sure you're actually a victim before you say you are.

The primary issue is that of course you just made that up without any kind of evidence that it's so simple to get a conviction and her claim wouldn't get anywhere. Plus of course making up that a girl will convince herself of that and a guy will not. In the end, people like you will convince themselves of all sorts of bullshit.

Uhhh...what?

If a girl gets drunk and has regretful sex, she's a rape victim, according to 'much of society.'

If a guy gets drunk and has regretful sex, he's not a victim, according to 'much of society.'

'Much of society' practices a double-standard.

This is...not very difficult to understand.

'without any kind of evidence'.

Is that phrase too difficult for you to understand?

...Do I need evidence to say that 'much of society' acts this way socially? I'm talking about in the eyes of society, not the eyes of the law or anything. It's just a common observation, you're not going to have proof for a thing like that.

...Am I being trolled or something?

Oh you got to it before my edit. I added a bit more:

'much of society' agrees with me that you're just making stuff up based on personal impressions.

You also said more than that, you said that they could convince themselves. Why abandon that assertion to start only talking about how 'most of society' views it, hm?

And yeah, you do kind of need evidence. Your 'common' observation is merely your own personal biases speaking.

And trolled? No, but reported yes. Though unsure if that's enough for it. But do call outright people trolls and they will react.

...I have no idea what I did to rustle your jimmies this hard.

God damn.

I disagree about your assertion on what much of society believes, do you have any evidence that men that have drunk regretful sex are treated equally to women in the same situation?

The convincing part doesn't affect anything. If a guy or girl has drunk regretful sex, they could convince themselves that they were harmed even if they weren't. That's...not really relevant to what we're talking about anymore.

Isn't it against the rules to report someone for not doing anything, though?

 

[TheDoctor455]

Society didn't force you to make anything, you decided to because of those "stupid opinions and idiotic conclusions."

Also, if one's goal of provocative dress is to get raped, is it really rape?

EDIT: /sarcasm

Hmm... iffy... but...
supposing that one had a fantasy of what a rape is like... and one dressed as such in an effort to fulfull said fantasy (to try to anyway)...
well...
somehow, I seriously doubt that the reality will be anything like the fantasy in any positive way. Damage would still be done.

As for the OP...
for the most part, I think that's pretty much correct.
Though I should point out that some people get a thrill from being seeing how others desire you. Hence the desire to wear provocative clothing.

As for rapists getting a sexual thrill... well...
psychologically speaking, rape is rarely about sex and the satisfaction of lust/sexual desire...
but rather, a deep-seated desire to exert power over someone else in a way they will never forget. This is one of the first things you learn from a college-level feminism class. A proper one anyway... if its being run by an extreme feminist... oh, you should probably also expect to hear an argument about how all men are, in some way, "rape supporters."

Not all feminism classes are like that, thankfully... but some have sadly turned out that way.

Anyway...
I don't give a fuck about the rapist's "rights," because once its been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt... a rapist has lost their rights. And yes, I would say that it still has to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, because if due process is thrown out the window for this issue, we leave ourselves open to letting a series of witch hunts happen.

However... I wouldn't recommend the death penalty... at least not immediately.
Before they are executed, I would have us study the monsters our society produces... so that we might learn how to better prevent similar monsters from popping up in the future. So that, eventually, no one ever suffers from these kinds of horrors again.

 

[chadachada123]

You really need to stop being so pedantic over trivial things.

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I didn't assert that, I questioned what you claimed about the difference between how they were treated. So where's your evidence? Don't try a stupid argument from ignorance now. I said nothing about 'the majority of society' except to make a sarcastic remark to point out how silly it was for you to toss it around as you did.

The convincing part doesn't affect anything. If a guy or girl has drunk regretful sex, they could convince themselves that they were harmed even if they weren't. That's...not really relevant to what we're talking about anymore.

Okay, so you're backtracking from when you said: ". Were the guy to do so, he'd be laughed at and would certainly not be convinced that he was raped just because he was drunk."

Isn't it against the rules to report someone for not doing anything, though?

No, but then implying I'm a troll doesn't quite seem like nothing.

1) I don't need evidence, it's just a basic observation of freaking society. Maybe it's different in your country, or at your university. I didn't even SAY majority to begin with. I said "MUCH OF SOCIETY" because I don't have any real estimate on how much of society agrees. I would be willing to bet money that it's a far higher percentage that agrees than disagrees, but I don't have evidence because it's not really important here.

2) Would certainly not be convinced *by other people* that he was raped. Doesn't mean he may not convince himself, but he wouldn't be encouraged by society to think that he's a victim.

3) I'm implying that I feel like I'm being trolled or set up, because your counters are beyond nit-picky and are so obvious that I don't even know why I'm typing out these explanations. I just couldn't imagine someone being so...attacking over nothing.

 

[Nyaliva]

Do you guys remember when going to parties didn't mean sex and alcohol?

That's all I really have to say on this topic. Also rape is bad. But not as black and white as it seems from out here.

sex and alchohol has allways been a staple of partys ever sinced we learned that eating some plants made us go WOOOOOOOO FUN TIMES!

I know but that was still adult stuff, I meant when we were kids, when parties meant playing games and getting pizza and seeing who could eat the most and then all regretting it as we went to sleep on sleeping bags in the lounge room. Now in adulthood it's the same but we dance to get into each other's pants and get the older guy to buy booze and see who can drink the most without puking and then regretting it in the morning when we wake up next to the ugliest girl at the party and it all comes flooding back...then she accuses you of rape and you go to jail for 20 years. See, this is why I don't go to parties anymore.

 

[Skipper zammo]

2) And you haven't shown that society encourages it for women and fails to for men.

So are you denying that society often has a double standard with regards male on female and female on male rape?

Not looking for an argument, just trying to clarify.

 

[Vault101]

I know but that was still adult stuff, I meant when we were kids, when parties meant playing games and getting pizza and seeing who could eat the most and then all regretting it as we went to sleep on sleeping bags in the lounge room. Now in adulthood it's the same but we dance to get into each other's pants and get the older guy to buy booze and see who can drink the most without puking and then regretting it in the morning when we wake up next to the ugliest girl at the party and it all comes flooding back...then she accuses you of rape and you go to jail for 20 years. See, this is why I don't go to parties anymore.

yeah...all of a sudden when you get to a certain age shit ceases to be fun

 

[Skipper zammo]

I'm denying nothing and asking him to prove THIS particular double standard exists. Hell, that people even encourage women to think they're raped or whatever shit it was he was saying. I am not particularly convinced the phenomena of society encouraging women to think of themselves as the victim if they had drunk sex and didn't like it. So of course I'll doubt that there is a double standard in this case.

Is that what he said?
I interpreted it more as a woman who makes a rape claim after having sex she regrets is more likely to believed by society then if a man did it. Not that society is actively telling women to claim they were raped.
Though maybe I missed a post some where.