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kasperbbs

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I tip my waitress if she does a good job, now that i think about i always did, but then again i don't go to restaurants very often so i never had any bad experiences. Following op's logic people should tip everyone who is unhappy with his job, thats absurd, i wont leave a tip if i don't feel like it, noone tips me at my work.
 

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newfoundsky said:
Do you tip? Who do you tip? Do you agree that we should tip the guys behind the counter?
No.
What is wrong with you?

Nobody tips, for anything, in Australia.
You know why?

Because our businesses pay their workers enough to live on.

The problem isn't "people who don't tip," the problem is how your country treats its workers.

The very fact that tipping exists at all, as a concept, should be cause for strikes and riots.
 

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i used to work in customer service in basically a similar job (though my manager was awesome) so i know how bad they feel. i'm ALWAYS super-nice to customer service people. because at the very least they deserve it... their job sucks but they do it anyway because it's a job and in this economy, you're unlikely to get another one. (i've been looking for 4 years)
 

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Sorry but no.I don't believe in tipping people so it's lucky I live in Ireland where it's not expected at all.As far as I'm concerned you're being paid to do a job and I'm not going to reward someone for simply doing what they get paid to do in the first place.One thing that really pisses me off here is when restaurants include a service charge in the bill as it's basically a mandatory tip.Tips should never be mandatory or even expected

Now the above might make me sound like a grumpy miser but I always try to be polite and friendly to any service staff.Just don't expect a tip and we'll get on fine

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Arsen

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I refuse tips for mundane tasks at my job constantly. It's an ethical/moral situation.

No. I don't always tip. Just because you bring the food out on a tray doesn't mean you are entitled to anything.

- Arsen
 

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newfoundsky said:

It depends where you work, I'm a chef and whilst we don't get nightly tips like the bar staff do we do get a collection to be split at the end of the month and divided between us.
That said I used to work at another resturant and all tips were divided equally by the people on that night.

Management is Trying to Kill You

This is something that should be complained about, I'm not tipping you because Health and Safety laws aren't being adhered too.
You want me to tip you behind the counter because of this?
I'm not going to tip you because you would potentially do it.

Everything Behind the Counter is Probably Broken, Breaking, or Useless
Yet again not the customers problems and what you have to deal with shouldn't be reflected or guilted onto the customers.
I get small burns and cuts frequently at work but I don't ask for more in my pay check or a gratuity from the customers.

We Have To Deal With You People
You didn't mess things up no but you are the customer liason official so you will end up dealing with people, welcome to customer service.
Grin and bear it.

So What Can You Do to Help?
This section just sounds like bribery for tips so you do your job to a satisfactory level.
 

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The following will make me sound like a douche, but it's true.

I pay for a service, that's what the cost on the menu is. If a menu tells me a pub lunch will cost me £10, that is how much the pub lunch will cost me, and if the only service that I get is an average tasting meal in average surroundings, that is what I pay.

If, however, I am given good service, such as a well cooked/enjoyable meal, a waiter who is polite and smiles, quick service, decent availability during the meal (in that if I need something and signal to a waiter, someone is available within around a minute. I know that busy times happen, and I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram if the staff are madly taking orders rather than dropping everything to come and see me, but I also don't expect to be completely ignored) and generally making my experience a good one, I will tip the 10%, possibly up to 15% if the service has been exceptional. As it's usually one waiter who goes above and beyond, and I know tips usually get split at the end of a night, I try to make sure that 5 of the 15% goes directly to the MVP, so to speak. Additionally, I always make sure to thank that person, and let them know that I'll be coming back because of their service, and recommending it to others.

On the other hand, if the waiters are rude or deal with me as though I'm just another walking wallet (I know restaurants only need customers for their money, but if you can't be bothered to create the illusion that I'm being sold a luxury service, I won't pay you luxury prices.), if the waiter asks me to repeat my order several times whilst they're taking it, if they're constantly at the table asking if I'm alright (two or three times during a meal, fine. Outside of this, if I need anything, I'll let you know. Nothing spoils the enjoyment of an evening quite as much as being asked if I'm enjoying the evening repeatedly). If the food is bad or cold, or generally if I have an unenjoyable evening and it's as a direct result of the staff, there is no tip left. I leave the establishment, and don't return. If asked about it, I will let people know about my experience, but unless they really *really* fucked up, I still wouldn't go out of my way to recommend against it.

From the original post, it sounds as though the poster works in a fast food place. Regrettably, I don't usually tip before I've eaten. I've paid for the food. The sum total of the service received is "the guy behind the counter has taken my money and I now have food". I don't know if it's good food or bad food, and as I'm unlikely to eat it in the same place I bought it, that eliminates all other reason that I have to tip. Sorry bro, environmental hazards or not, I've paid for a fast-food pizza, I've been given a fast-food pizza. I wasn't given any more, so I won't pay for anything more. If I get takeaway from a new place, I generally don't tip. If it's good, I'll order again and tip depending on how quickly it gets there, plus a couple of other bits. If it's bad, I won't tip, and if it's bad twice in a row, I won't order from there unless there are some mitigating factors.

When I mentioned "a couple of other bits", a sense of humour goes a long way. There's a local pizza place that does deliveries, and every time my mates and I order from them, we ask them to draw something on the box. Nothing massive, just stuff like a wizard, a dinosaur or a chicken. If the drawing's on the box, the driver gets a fiver, a tenner if it's a big order. If it's not, they don't. Simple. A few of the drivers have actually started carrying magic markers in their glove compartments for this exact reason. Life is better with a little humour.

TL;DR - a tip is an extra payment for good service. Give me good service, I'll tip you decently, but don't just expect it for doing the bare minimum.
 

Daniel Rongskog

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What?

In Norway it would result in prison if one was to fire an employee who complained.
Danceofmasks said:
Nobody tips, for anything, in Australia.
You know why?

Because our businesses pay their workers enough to live on.

The problem isn't "people who don't tip," the problem is how your country treats its workers.

The very fact that tipping exists at all, as a concept, should be cause for strikes and riots.
yes this is the same in Norway. But sometimes i feel norwegians have become sort of whiny because of their rights wich they take for given. Everyday i people complaining about how boring and shitty their jobs is.
 

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newfoundsky said:
I work at a pizza chain, and a friend of mine works at a burger chain. So I can safely say that this holds true for most places.
Two places does not qualify you to speak for most.
However, yes, this stuff is common and yes, I do tip. Heavily.
 

Something Amyss

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Daniel Rongskog said:
In Norway it would result in prison if one was to fire an employee who complained.
Our whistleblower laws suck, and 48 of our states practice at-will employment.
 

The Artificially Prolonged

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There is no real hard and fast rule for tipping the UK. Often 10-20% tip in a restaurant is a general rule for good and helpful service. But then sometimes people will tip bar staff, taxi drivers or barbers by either telling them to keep the change or to take so much from the change as a tip but then it is not always done or is different in other parts of the country. Although I have to say the minimum wage in the US is pitiful, I can see why people would always tip there.

Metalchic said:
I fail to understand whats so difficult about that where people end up yelling and screaming and such at the person at the register... they don't usually have a lot of power unless there the manager... even then there not all knowing and all powerful.
I don't get it either, mistakes happen and are easily dealt with. Though my mother is one of those people that complains constantly at restaurants about every little thing. I tend to leave a big tip for the poor soul who had to deal with her.
 

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w9496 said:
I know how you feel. I work at a coffee shop, and some people are regular customers who never tip.

I made 6 drinks for a family before, and I didn't get a single penny in tips.
You're not a waiter making below minimum wage though. I'm sure you make the minimum if not higher so there is no need for them to tip you. It's your job to make and serve them coffee.

That said, I usually tip if it's allowed at places I frequent. The woman who cuts my hair and local sandwich shop always get a nice tip everytime I go. Good people, good service.
 

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Unless the waiter/waitress improved my enjoyment of the meal. So by being very pleasant and accommodating or funny or memorable in some way that I like. I feel for you working at a crappy place but you're not the only one and it is not the only profession.

You are asking for a tip because you didn't let people eat contaminated food? Monetary compensation for not being an arsehole? Sorry, but no... I mean, well done and thanks for that but no.
 

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As someone who delivered pizza for quite a few years I can tell you that the pizza guy is probably the one person you'd least want to piss off as far as service workers go. Those guys are alone and unsupervised with your food from the time it leaves the store to the time it arrives at your house.

In my half decade delivering pizza, even though I was never one for tampering with food, I've seen firsthand and heard tales of shit that to this day makes me want to vomit thinking about it. One jack ass used to order at the very last second then order the absolute minimum for delivery and then pay to the exact cent. I watched drivers scrape bugs off their headlights, stretch his dough on the floor and other shit that was equally horrible. He never once complained about his food though. I've also heard stories of chicken strips being dipped in a toilet and then ran through the oven, drivers opening pizza boxes and blasting their A/C onto the food and all kinds of other stuff.

You see people think they will be able to detect when their food is tampered with but I can assure you that's not the case. That being said, most drivers aren't that vindictive but I'll be damned if I'd want to risk pissing them off all so I can save a few bucks on a tip. Personally I think paying 3-4 dollars to avoid eating insects or having my food dipped in urine is quite the bargain. Maybe it's just me.

It's those reasons on top of having done the job myself that to this day I typically tip about 10 dollars or more regardless of service or how little I might order. That being said I get excellent service at the places I frequent and I don't worry about unknowingly eating dog shit.

Just something to think about the next time you order a pizza and decide not to tip. Drivers typically have great memories when it comes to who tips and who doesn't, hell some keep a book and write down the addresses that don't tip, and you probably don't want to be remembered as the guy who didn't tip last time.
 

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Why do you not simply raise the price of the product if you want a tip?

I'm not really a big fan of giving tips. At all. I had to do it in Ukraine on vacation and it just felt awkward for me and the guides (they didn't seem to be expecting it and I had no idea how much to give).
Working in fast food sucks, I can gather that from your OP. But it's still a job behind a counter so to say. I don't tip the guy who sells me DVDs, I don't tip when I buy groceries.

Hell, in my weekend-job I don't see any clients ( work in a greenhouse) so who would tip me then? My boss?

It's a job and you get paid for it. If they pay you below minimum wage you should bring it up with the authorities, not with the clients buying stuff. That's my opinion.
 

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newfoundsky said:
Tip your waitresses and the delivery boy. . .and the guy at the counter

Here in the USA (And the UK, I think)
Some people do here in the UK, those people are what I like to call "dicks", because our waiters and waitresses generally earn a decent wage compared to their American counterparts.

Now, don't get me wrong, I've nowt against tipping for good service. However in my time in America I noted that staff seemed to expect tips simply for doing their jobs. Now when someone explained to me how little they earn, I kind of understood, but the same attitude seems to be creeping in here in the UK, and I don't like it.

Not because I'm tight, but because I believe that when people are paid a fair wage to do a job, it does not fall on the customer to pay them further unless they choose to.

To that end - yes, I'll tip for good service, no I will not tip just because.


I work at a pizza chain, and a friend of mine works at a burger chain. So I can safely say that this holds true for most places. The management is trying to kill you.
When I was younger (15 through to 19), I worked at McDonalds, a Cinema, a Pizza Hut and a GAME (our equivalent of EB or Gamestop I think?).

You're absolutely right. The management of those places are fucking horrible bastards. Lets be honest - they're managing fast-food chains (or indeed, any restaurant, or somewhere requiring customer service), which means they're not really going anywhere in life, and they're bitter and angry about it.

Does not mean that the individual bringing my food out somehow deserves extra money out of my pocket, simply for doing their job.

Once again - Tips are for good service. Not for doing your job. Pay is for doing your job.


I remember just a few days ago that a family of spiders had taken up residence in the flour.
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We refused to use the pizza dough rolled in that flour and forced in doing so, saved the townspeople from from ingesting dozens of spider babies. I was able to use different flour.
Well done.

My friend has less success at his workplace. The oil that they fry the chicken and fries in is home to the corpses of silverfish and cockroaches, and the management will only have that oil changed out every other week. People are eating decaying bugs. However, his place of work has very little job security.
The last time the crew spoke up against the management there because of this, the whole crew was fired.
Shame.

However, not exactly an irreplaceable job now, is it?

I listed some of my workplaces between the ages of 15-19, I also worked at a Paintball Centre, a Go-Kart track, and a Barman in that time (3 far less shit jobs from my teenage point of view). So, in all, quite a few jobs in a short space of time - This is because when you're that age, you can afford to bounce from low-paying shit job to low-paying shit job. It's great.

Finally, if he's that concerned about health and saftey: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/ I'm sure there's someone there who can help.

The regular crew members behind the counter actually care what you are eating.
False. SOME regular crew members do. I'm sure the majority don't give a fuck. I certainly didn't.


... Ahem, anyway, I've got places to be so I'm going to have to read the rest of your post later.

To reiterate: There is no 'should' about tipping. Tipping is for good service, not for doing your job.

Certainly in the UK anyway. In the US I appreciate that things are slightly worse for members of staff, and I'm a little nicer on the tipping front (with the exception of one Irish barmaid in San Francisco, who aside from being an IRA sympathiser (not joking, she genuinely is), also got really, really fucking snarky with me because I didn't tip her the first time I drank there... Predominantly because I did not know the etiquette in the US).
 

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emeraldrafael said:
-snip, both posts-
You're kind of funny, you know? I doubt you ever actually worked a job like that. I'll tell you frankly, if I worked at a place you frequent and you frequented it with that attitude, I'd frequently spit in your coffee.

And then post the stories on notalwaysright. [http://www.notalwayright.com] Yeah, some people really don't give a fuck. I wouldn't give a fuck if I had to deal with shitty and pretentious customers on a daily basis either. Having worked as a waiter before I can tell you obnoxious customers are a lot more common than you may think.

But, a waiter is there to serve your food, he's not there to serve you.
 

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w9496 said:
I know how you feel. I work at a coffee shop, and some people are regular customers who never tip.

I made 6 drinks for a family before, and I didn't get a single penny in tips.
You put a cup in front of spicket and pulled a lever. Why do you think you deserve a tip for doing your job? You didn't cook anything or put any effort whatsoever into product. All you did was service a customer without even leaving the counter. You only deserve your paycheck for doing this.

OP also the next time you boss forces you to serve unsanitary food, it should be your responsibility to be a whistleblower and narc this guy out to health officials.
 

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Loonyyy said:
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emeraldrafael said:
yeah, thanks, Im sure am glad youre allowing these conditions to continue. you know, instead of reporting these surely well documented cases to whatever health board does your inspections and bringing this matter up. Its great you took a stand, whoop dee do. all that says is youre replaceable when management finds you no longer worth while to deal with and at your professional level you are very easy interchangeable with someone who could give less shits. So instead of doing something about it (getting rid of the higher up who makes the decision, seeing as they're telling you to do these hazardous things) you're just letting it continue. thank you for being part of the problem, and please, dont be surprised when i read that statement and feel no urge to tip you, or ever go to one of your eateries again. I'd rather go to a different one, even if they do the same, because at least they're keeping me in the dark, rather than saying "Yeah, it happens, but I dont really do anything to CHANGE it from ahppening again."
That could very well lose you your job, and will often prevent you from getting a job anywhere in that industry again. How willing are you to go without work?

His solution is to do the best he can whilst keeping his job. Yours is scorched earth. It shouldn't be up to the employees to risk their jobs to prevent this, the inspections should be random and whatnot. But they aren't, and so the guys out the back are doing the best they can. They could just not bother. It would make their job easier, and they're certainly not getting thanked for it.

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Maybe they will lose their job, but its better than working there and whining about it while making themselves sound better for it. Unless he plans to work as a manager or some higher up in the same fast food industry, it wont affect the job market much when you explain. In fact, most employers will say its good you did this, because they want someone who is honest, or if they find out they may ask you why you didnt and that can changer their perception of you. But then again, Im rather ethical, and I would never work somewhere where thats happening without either reporting it and documenting it for the next visit or reporting it flat out. And if I did I wouldnt ask for a tip for it because im not doing anything for it.

Vegosiux said:
emeraldrafael said:
-snip, both posts-
You're kind of funny, you know? I doubt you ever actually worked a job like that. I'll tell you frankly, if I worked at a place you frequent and you frequented it with that attitude, I'd frequently spit in your coffee.

And then post the stories on notalwaysright. [http://www.notalwayright.com] Yeah, some people really don't give a fuck. I wouldn't give a fuck if I had to deal with shitty and pretentious customers on a daily basis either. Having worked as a waiter before I can tell you obnoxious customers are a lot more common than you may think.

But, a waiter is there to serve your food, he's not there to serve you.
that never worked a job at a theatre? yes, I did, and while it wasnt always as bad as I said above, it did get that bad. 7.10 (and by the time I became an usher 7.25) was not worth putting up with those people and definitely not worth the threats of violence the more irate customers would give. But I accepted my position and knew that what I do isnt special, that I am easily replaceable, and that its what I call mass production job because it is done a certain way with little if any variation and anyone can come in and do it if they have any sense of competency.

though what you mean by with that attitude I have no idea. No fast food place I go to asks for a tip, and I certainly dont give one to them. But i dont go in there with a bad attitude and tell them they dont deserve tips. I simply go in, have a cheerful enough demeanor when speaking to them, and then get my food and go. However, if someone asks me for a tip in a place like that, i ask them what they did to deserve it and when they dont give a good answer (because sad life stories about how you make min wage and want to live above your means is not a good answer im afraid) I tell them thats why i dont tip. Like I said, fast food places as the OP described are not places I tip because to me a tip means that you did something out of the ordinary. You make min wage and your job nature doesnt rely on tips, so I dont see the point unless they did soemthing special that went above and beyond.