you wake up in the morning, and it's been announced that in american women have lost voting rights

[DudeistBelieve]

I'd read that in the news and thing to myself "well, this almost seems fitting what with the direction the US has been going lately, well, their fault they haven't risen up against their horribly corrupt government back when they still had the chance to succeed..." cuz honestly, y'all should've revolted years ago, the system you have going on, benefits nobody but those in power and those at the top of corporate business, it's a broken system...

But hey, who am I to say anything, I'm just an observant Canadian, live how you wanna live.

How's Quebec treating ya?[/OhSnap!]

What about Quebec? Are you thinking of the idiot separatist movement? The students who've been protesting the raising of the tuition fees(which in said province are the lowest in all of canada by a large margin), or are you maybe just refering to the seat of our government...

And if so, what of it? Our country isn't floundering in a sinking hole of debt and poverty, unlike quite a few countries I could name, worst of which right now seems to be greece(I'd hate to live there).

Separatist.

Also, we stole Wayne Gretzky from you. He retired on an American Team.

Admittedly, I'm just trying to get your goat. Keep that in mind.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I'm going to ignore the hypothetical scenario and just focus on this:

This is all part of my larger question of, just when is it ethical for one to rebel against their own government?

To answer that question I would say when the government starts doing something amoral or unethical, like slaughtering people by the thousands or stripping people of their rights and interning them in death camps, that sort of thing. It is not ethical to rebel against your government just because you personally feel disgruntled. The thing one has to consider is that a rebellion is probably going to cause a lot of damage and a lot of people are going to get hurt, looking at the riots in London as an example, and that was just a riot, not a open rebellion; so one has to consider if the gain is going to be worth the cost. Is what the government doing so terrible that it's worth that kind of sacrifice.

This is what has been weighing on me. A lot of people are unhappy with the American Government, so why haven't we rebelled?

This response seems logical. It's not bad enough yet to really bring us to the level of "I don't care if I live or die or not, we have to change this." ...Also there lies the question once the government is overthrown, what could it be replaced with? I can't imagine any system better than the current united states government, just with a few tweaks. Doesn't seem worth people's lives to do that.

 

[Risingblade]

Sign a petition maybe? I'm a guy so it's not really my problem.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

I would wonder how stupid people had to be to let it happen then continue with my life. I might make some american friends if they jump ship to Australia.

And as for the rebelling against the government. I figure you can do it whenever the government makes a decision that that would put you or others in unfair circumstances. Or failing to make a decision that would stop such a thing from happening.
Also as a side note I think protesting is stupid. Sure, do something about it legally, make some news channel spin a story about it but don't go out with signs. It makes people look idiotic, it does more harm then good and people end up seeing you as the bad guys.

Sadly the captcha seems to disagree with me and believes we need to have 'More Cowbell'. Well, that settles it. Grab the signs, megaphones and cowbells.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

Depends, if there's ever a moment where I can really see us fighting a fight that matters and standing a chance to win but for a few bodies... You can bet I'd be wherever it took doing whatever it took to ensure that this blatant class warfare came to an end.

That said I'm not going to try stopping tanks in any square.



Mind you, no disrespect for those protestors, in fact the opposite, I'm saying they're better men than I, as I refuse to fight a losing battle just to be a 'martyr'.

Problem is I don't think, at least here in America, if the people fought the government, and the soldiers were up for it, that we would stand even the slightest of chances. I mean they've been stacking the deck for at least three decades now, and really probably much longer.

I hate that I have to talk about the theoretical power of my own government as though it's some sort of Lovecraftian god that I fear so much I dare not even think of bringing conflict to it.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I'd read that in the news and thing to myself "well, this almost seems fitting what with the direction the US has been going lately, well, their fault they haven't risen up against their horribly corrupt government back when they still had the chance to succeed..." cuz honestly, y'all should've revolted years ago, the system you have going on, benefits nobody but those in power and those at the top of corporate business, it's a broken system...

But hey, who am I to say anything, I'm just an observant Canadian, live how you wanna live.

How's Quebec treating ya?[/OhSnap!]

What about Quebec? Are you thinking of the idiot separatist movement? The students who've been protesting the raising of the tuition fees(which in said province are the lowest in all of canada by a large margin), or are you maybe just refering to the seat of our government...

And if so, what of it? Our country isn't floundering in a sinking hole of debt and poverty, unlike quite a few countries I could name, worst of which right now seems to be greece(I'd hate to live there).

Separatist.

Also, we stole Wayne Gretzky from you. He retired on an American Team.

Admittedly, I'm just trying to get your goat. Keep that in mind.

Yeah, even most separatists realize that now is not the time, if ever to separate from Canada, which is why the movement has been less agressive lately, who knows in the future though.
I figured you were trying to get my goat, I decided it might be fun to play along, I mean if you could find enough fire to light more than a candle, then it might've been kinda fun, however there really isn't much bad one can say about Canada, hell most of the stuff other people use, you didn't (Most likely because you know it's overused, cliche as hell, and mostly stupid sounding, or just plain wrong).

Capcha: "maple syrup", yes capcha, we make some damn fine maple syrup here in Canada.

 

[Roggen Bread]

I would laugh cynically and feel supported in my poor, European view of America.

 

[Twilight_guy]

I immediately wonder how long its going to take for congress to call an energy meeting to renew the 19th amendment, then I watch people make snide comments about it on the internet.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I'd read that in the news and thing to myself "well, this almost seems fitting what with the direction the US has been going lately, well, their fault they haven't risen up against their horribly corrupt government back when they still had the chance to succeed..." cuz honestly, y'all should've revolted years ago, the system you have going on, benefits nobody but those in power and those at the top of corporate business, it's a broken system...

But hey, who am I to say anything, I'm just an observant Canadian, live how you wanna live.

How's Quebec treating ya?[/OhSnap!]

What about Quebec? Are you thinking of the idiot separatist movement? The students who've been protesting the raising of the tuition fees(which in said province are the lowest in all of canada by a large margin), or are you maybe just refering to the seat of our government...

And if so, what of it? Our country isn't floundering in a sinking hole of debt and poverty, unlike quite a few countries I could name, worst of which right now seems to be greece(I'd hate to live there).

Separatist.

Also, we stole Wayne Gretzky from you. He retired on an American Team.

Admittedly, I'm just trying to get your goat. Keep that in mind.

Yeah, even most separatists realize that now is not the time, if ever to separate from Canada, which is why the movement has been less agressive lately, who knows in the future though.
I figured you were trying to get my goat, I decided it might be fun to play along, I mean if you could find enough fire to light more than a candle, then it might've been kinda fun, however there really isn't much bad one can say about Canada, hell most of the stuff other people use, you didn't (Most likely because you know it's overused, cliche as hell, and mostly stupid sounding, or just plain wrong).

Capcha: "maple syrup", yes capcha, we make some damn fine maple syrup here in Canada.

I legit aspire to immigrate there one day. Everything I've ever been told about Canada through media and people has always been positive.

 

[teebeeohh]

if anyone seriously thinks about enforcing that they probably deserve to be shot

 

[Spade Lead]

Turns out there was a fine print in women's suffrage that it would expire at that days date, and everyone kinda missed it. Whoops. It's also like what? Two DAYS AFTER MITT ROMNEY WAS ELECTED?

Fixed that for you.

My girlfriend is disabled, and if she couldn't get government funded health care and couldn't work, as Romney plans, we are moving to Canada. Seriously. That is our plan if Romney is elected.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

Then I would congratulate mister Romney on his presidency and wait patiently for my state's secession.

Snap!
Yeah, I can't wait for Mister 50's to become the most powerful man in the world...

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I legit aspire to immigrate there one day. Everything I've ever been told about Canada through media and people has always been positive.

Well, if you do end up immigrating, you'll likely never regret it.
Also if you end up on the east or west coasts rather than the mainland, I can give you all sorts of suggestions when it comes to good beverage options, mainly of the beer variety, and well... The coasts tend to be more laid back, relaxed, and friendly, than the mainland, east coast is cheaper to live, west coast is warmer and has almost no french speakers, also has a booming marijuana market, but that's a different story.

 

[Johnny Impact]

They should just take away men's votes while they're at it.

It's not like the popular vote has ever meant anything.

Decide issues via boxing match.

Oh please, everyone knows the only correct way to decide such important matters is a tag-cage-death-match.

Giant battlesuit fight! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102800/

OT: Well, it's about time!

Ha ha, but seriously, never happen.

To your boldface question: When the majority of people believe they suffer intolerably and/or suffer without sufficient purpose, there will be rebellion. When government unduly deprives people of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it's time for new government.

These are generalizations, of course. States executing a few mass murderers for the greater good is technically depriving them of life, but only after they've forfeited that right by their heinous acts. On the other hand you've got governments like Stalin's Russia, wherein millions of citizens were arrested without evidence, convicted without trial, and stuck in labor camps until they died from cold, starvation, and sheer exhaustion. There's some gray area between those two examples. It's hard to say exactly when revolution becomes necessary.

 

[repeating integers]

Honestly?

I'd probably wonder why I was having such a depressing dream and pinch myself several times.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Turns out there was a fine print in women's suffrage that it would expire at that days date, and everyone kinda missed it. Whoops. It's also like what? Two weeks before the presidential election?

What do you do in response? More importantly, how long are you willing to wait patiently for them to renew it? And if they start taking to long, if you're a feminist, how long before you start to rebel against the government?

What would I, as a woman, do? Go Vote.

Just because the "we have to let women vote now" part of the constitution was on a timer doesn't mean they're going to stop women from doing it. And if they try, I'll be there, demanding to vote anyway.

 

[Dularn]

Well first of all this is an absurd scenario. I rarely wake up in the morning.

I would think to myself 'only in America' and go about the rest of my day.

If it happened in my country I would be very pissed off and I imagine there would be large scale protests. The change would not last long.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Turns out there was a fine print in women's suffrage that it would expire at that days date, and everyone kinda missed it. Whoops. It's also like what? Two weeks before the presidential election?

What do you do in response? More importantly, how long are you willing to wait patiently for them to renew it? And if they start taking to long, if you're a feminist, how long before you start to rebel against the government?

What would I, as a woman, do? Go Vote.

Just because the "we have to let women vote now" part of the constitution was on a timer doesn't mean they're going to stop women from doing it. And if they try, I'll be there, demanding to vote anyway.

Wouldn't that be as fruitless as trying to order an EggMcMuffin in the middle of the day?

 

[Xan Krieger]

I'd hear about it, laugh, shrug, then get back to whatever game I was playing at the time.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

4. Remembers that the 19th amendment protects women's right to vote

The whole thread is about the 19th Amendment having some kind of hidden sunset provision.

No, no there isn't.

Here is a link to the entire proposed and passed 19th amendment, and I have read all the half page of text, and let me tell you, THERE IS NO PLACE TO HIDE A SUNSET CLAUSE: http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=63

Look in the Constitution, there is NO place where it says amendments can be made for limited times. None. What your saying is legally impossible under current US constitutional law. Literally zero. The only way this could happen is if Congress made a NEW amendment banning women from voting. That would require 2/3 of both the House and Senate passing it, then 2/3 of all the states (who half of the population, might I remind you, are WOMEN) passing it as well. If your going to come up with a hypothetical scenario, do not make ones that are LITERALLY impossible, unless the government declared themselves a military dictatorship, and takes away women rights just to be petty.

In that case, the fact women can't vote would be the least of our problems.