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Fiad

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Diamond sword from Minecraft, because think about it. You are hitting a zombie over the head with a sword. A sword made of solid diamonds. Just something about that.
 

Treblaine

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MrJKapowey said:
Well, IRL it'd have to be the L85
vrbtny said:
Ah, good to see a fan of possibly the most underrated gun in the world. Especially on the Internet.

The L85 gets my vote too. Though only the L85A2. The A1 was a bit of a joke...
But... huh?

I get personal appeal, but technically what is so great about that gun (not jamming as much as L85A1 isn't much of a unique feature, almost every gun jams less than L85A1).
 

CrimsonBlaze

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Model A Biometal from Megaman ZX Advent.

Not only do you transform into an unstoppable Reploid with dual-wielding energy pistols (one of which carries a homing functionality), but when you defeat/destroy an enemy, you get to transform into them.

That's right; forget old school Megaman and just 'copying' their weapon. Were copying the enemy itself!
 

ChupathingyX

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I'm gonna have to go with Meng Huo's stone column, giant, poisonous mushroom and palm tree minigun combo from Dynasty Warriors 6: Empires.

It's kinda hard to explain how all of that works, so just watch this...

 

Guffe

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A Revolver. Really any good looking "normal" revolver from any game were it looks like a revolver.
 

I.Muir

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Any wall pining weapon really, super damage weapons that send stuff flying but more or less intact. That or the vintar sniper from S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
 

bader0

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lionheart, the one from ffVIII not those other ones that popped up in subsequent games. i cant believe nobody has said that yet considering it's probably the most awesome weapon of all time. although i can't imagine swinging it without breaking your wrist but that's okay.
 

Pirakahunter788

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The Knock Knock, from New Vegas. This thing is Beast.
Anyone who's used this weapon will know exactly what I'm talking about.
 

fenrizz

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After completing Lonesome Road (Fallout: NV) I've really fallen in love with the Anti-Material Rifle [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-materiel_rifle].

Too bad I'm level 50 now and have completed most quests and side quests.
Will remember it on my next playtrough though.
 

kouriichi

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The .500 S&W Magnum.

Its a big gun, that fires big bullets, out of an even bigger barrel.

The barrel itself is 11 inches, meaning that its not only a gun, but one hell of a club.

If you couldnt guess, it fires a .50 cal revolver round, meaning its second to none in stopping power. Sure, its 5lbs, but it being a revolver means its 5lbs of weapon that will rarely fail on you. And i cant stress "Rarely" enough.

And the best part? Who the f*ck cares if your compensating for something? Its not, "the man with the gun wins", its "the man with the BIGGEST gun wins". Because if your going to get in a p*ssing contest, might as well make sure you win it!
 

KarlMonster

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The Austrian version of the fusil automatique leger. Precise to much farther away than it has any right to be.

The knife in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.! That's right, there are plenty of nifty firearms, but if a bandit is reloading, he is going to meet Mister Stabby. And for similar reasons...

The Heavy's special move in TF2. Maybe you were reloading. Maybe you're out of ammo. Maybe you just made a wrong turn when you were running away. Maybe you just got killed by imaginary six-shooters - and I didn't use any ammunition. Powpowpowpow ha ha! Time for sandvich.
 

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Treblaine said:
MrJKapowey said:
Well, IRL it'd have to be the L85
vrbtny said:
Ah, good to see a fan of possibly the most underrated gun in the world. Especially on the Internet.

The L85 gets my vote too. Though only the L85A2. The A1 was a bit of a joke...
But... huh?

I get personal appeal, but technically what is so great about that gun (not jamming as much as L85A1 isn't much of a unique feature, almost every gun jams less than L85A1).
Well aside from the fact that it looks really cool, and that it seems to fit on a soldier more than any other gun. When a soldier points it at something, the only thing you see is the barrel. And it's about the only bullpup that is accurate at long range.

And I personally see it as a clever gun, with a barrel length which is the same as a M4, but the overall length of the weapon is much shorter.

Now putting personal opinion aside, I shall bring out the stats. The L85A2 does consistently outperform fellow 5.56mm Assault Rifles in Reliability and Accuracy.

The effective firing range of the L86 is 650ms, compared to the M4's 500ms. It has a higher muzzle velocity than the M4.

In recent Nato tests of a all standard Issue 5.56mm service rifles, the L85 scored highest on Reliability and Accuracy, with 100% of the test firers saying they were "very confident" with the gun.

So, yeah. There's my answer.
 

MrJKapowey

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vrbtny said:
Treblaine said:
MrJKapowey said:
Well, IRL it'd have to be the L85
vrbtny said:
Ah, good to see a fan of possibly the most underrated gun in the world. Especially on the Internet.

The L85 gets my vote too. Though only the L85A2. The A1 was a bit of a joke...
But... huh?

I get personal appeal, but technically what is so great about that gun (not jamming as much as L85A1 isn't much of a unique feature, almost every gun jams less than L85A1).
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It's also really light, adaptable (L22/86/98), accurate, ergonomically designed, (not important) looks cool and is unbelievably easy to strip and clean.

Though this is just the opinion of an Army Cadet who's only used the L98A2, L85A2 and L86A2 so it doesn't really count for much, but it's amazingly easy to get the hang of. It took me 2 hours worth of teaching to understand the weapons system up to around 80% of the level I do today...

Anyway, I think we should all start a campaign to get the SA80 family into BF3! Anyone wth me?

[sub]No? Never mind...[/sub]
 

Treblaine

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vrbtny said:
Treblaine said:
MrJKapowey said:
Well, IRL it'd have to be the L85
vrbtny said:
Ah, good to see a fan of possibly the most underrated gun in the world. Especially on the Internet.

The L85 gets my vote too. Though only the L85A2. The A1 was a bit of a joke...
But... huh?

I get personal appeal, but technically what is so great about that gun (not jamming as much as L85A1 isn't much of a unique feature, almost every gun jams less than L85A1).
Well aside from the fact that it looks really cool, and that it seems to fit on a soldier more than any other gun. When a soldier points it at something, the only thing you see is the barrel. And it's about the only bullpup that is accurate at long range.

And I personally see it as a clever gun, with a barrel length which is the same as a M4, but the overall length of the weapon is much shorter.

Now putting personal opinion aside, I shall bring out the stats. The L85A2 does consistently outperform fellow 5.56mm Assault Rifles in Reliability and Accuracy.

The effective firing range of the L86 is 650ms, compared to the M4's 500ms. It has a higher muzzle velocity than the M4.

In recent Nato tests of a all standard Issue 5.56mm service rifles, the L85 scored highest on Reliability and Accuracy, with 100% of the test firers saying they were "very confident" with the gun.

So, yeah. There's my answer.
Yes, it's the same length as M4 but a long barrel, but for what?

M4 Carbine velocity: 900 meters/sec [http://www.armystudyguide.com/flashcards/flashcards.php?cat=23&qnum=27]
L85A2 velocity: 940 meters/sec [http://www.armedforces-int.com/projects/sa80_rifle_l85a2iw.html]

40 m/s does not make a significant amount of difference in visual combat range. A 4% difference in velocity.

What DOES make a significant amount of difference is weight, the L85 near as damn TWICE the weight of the M4 Carbine That weight IS going to tire you out and affect your aim by muscle fatigue just on the arms and upper body. Just focusing on the weight the legs have to support the weight savings that could be for almost 150 rounds in magazine loaded ammunition.

And you have the disadvantage of bullpup in how the weapon must be raised and twisted to even begin the reloading process. The magazine must be released and removed by the left hand while the M4 the magazine can be released with just the trigger finger while keeping the weapon on target and the left hand is fetching another mag. Then you have to reach over the top to cycle the bolt handle to charge the next round with L85A2, much easier on M4 Carbine one's hand is naturally in position to release the bolt. There is no adjustment for length of pull with people of different build or different bulk of body armour while there is on M4.

No way the L85A2 can reload this quickly:


This is not unquely american, the Canadians have diverged with Britain on the L85. After following suit with Lee-Enfield and FN FAL they went for the C7 rifle and C8 Carbine when they realise what the SA80 series was going to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C8_Carbine

Other bullpup rifle designs (like the Steyr AUG as used by the Australian, New Zealand, Falkland, Irish, Austrians, Dutch and Argentinian armed forces to great success) have the centre of gravity over the main pistol grip, while the SA80 it is far in the unsupported rear where it must be jammed into the shoulder to keep it from slipping. The fire-mode select is a single plunger on Steyr AUG from safe, semi and then full auto (even with full auto you have the 2-stage trigger).

With L85A2 the best you can do is disengage the safety from "home position" but must move your hand to re-engage it and that's saying nothing about selecting fire mode. The selector switch between Semi-auto and full-auto is way back in the rear on the weapon and is SO HARD TO MOVE!! I think the logic was that it was to discourage soldiers from switching to full auto too quickly only the problem was every soldier would just leave it on full auto, even on the range they would leave it on full-auto and try to flutter off single shots.

M4 carbine's safety is thumb operated to seamlessly move between all the fire modes. M4 Carbine can also use magazines like the 100-round C-mag.

I have heard anecdotal evidence to believe L85A2 was "trained to test" for the trials which are hardly the most thorough (remember, NATO is not the highest standard, it's the lowest common denominator between several countries and their respective political pride at stake). Particularly the "100% of the test firers saying they were "very confident" with the gun" sounds like the result of a weighted poll.

Most damningly for the entire SA80 series (including the L85A2) there has not been a single overseas order. That is the ultimate test they have failed.

Not even a single Commonwealth country has adopted it, they all went for the Steyr AUG or an AR15 variant. A few crates have been shipped off to the likes of Sierra Leone and Jamaica but they were ditched from some cheap Chinese AK47 rip off instead.

The likes of the M4 Carbine, C8 Carbine (Canadian equivalent), and Steyr AUG are ordered in massive numbers all over the world as the quality, reliability and performance are objectively recognised universally.

No other countries think this rifle is worth it.

I know to you it may be your personal weapon, but what do you have to compare it to? It may seem natural to you but is that just because it's the main weapon you trained on? It's the baddess ass thing the average Brit can ever legally get their hands on but that's relative to the extreme gun restrictions of the UK, many american soldiers have a semi-auto AK-47 or AUG at home for private ownership. In fact the US military go to extra effort of letting soldiers try novel weapons on their gun ranges in familiarisation programs. As far as I know British Soldiers are forbidden from firing any weapon other than their issued rifle (even on range) unless they are under specific orders.
 

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Treblaine said:
What DOES make a significant amount of difference is weight, the L85 near as damn TWICE the weight of the M4 Carbine That weight IS going to tire you out and affect your aim by muscle fatigue just on the arms and upper body. Just focusing on the weight the legs have to support the weight savings that could be for almost 150 rounds in magazine loaded ammunition.(1)

And you have the disadvantage of bullpup in how the weapon must be raised and twisted to even begin the reloading process. The magazine must be released and removed by the left hand while the M4 the magazine can be released with just the trigger finger while keeping the weapon on target and the left hand is fetching another mag. Then you have to reach over the top to cycle the bolt handle to charge the next round with L85A2, much easier on M4 Carbine one's hand is naturally in position to release the bolt. There is no adjustment for length of pull with people of different build or different bulk of body armour while there is on M4. (2)

Other bullpup rifle designs (like the Steyr AUG as used by the Australian, New Zealand, Falkland, Irish, Austrians, Dutch and Argentinian armed forces to great success) have the centre of gravity over the main pistol grip, while the SA80 it is far in the unsupported rear where it must be jammed into the shoulder to keep it from slipping.(3) The fire-mode select is a single plunger on Steyr AUG from safe, semi and then full auto (even with full auto you have the 2-stage trigger).

With L85A2 the best you can do is disengage the safety from "home position" but must move your hand to re-engage it and that's saying nothing about selecting fire mode. The selector switch between Semi-auto and full-auto is way back in the rear on the weapon and is SO HARD TO MOVE!! I think the logic was that it was to discourage soldiers from switching to full auto too quickly only the problem was every soldier would just leave it on full auto, even on the range they would leave it on full-auto and try to flutter off single shots.
(4)

Most damningly for the entire SA80 series (including the L85A2) there has not been a single overseas order. That is the ultimate test they have failed.

Not even a single Commonwealth country has adopted it, they all went for the Steyr AUG or an AR15 variant. A few crates have been shipped off to the likes of Sierra Leone and Jamaica but they were ditched from some cheap Chinese AK47 rip off instead.

The likes of the M4 Carbine, C8 Carbine (Canadian equivalent), and Steyr AUG are ordered in massive numbers all over the world as the quality, reliability and performance are objectively recognised universally.

No other countries think this rifle is worth it.(5)

Okay, addressing these points as best as I can...

1 - I'm 15 and have no problem carrying it with ammunition, 'grenades' and numerous other pieces of kit on night marches

2 - Okay, a slight problem but one which is really not that important and has little to no effect as far as my experiences go...

3 - I'm 15 and have no problem holding it one handed accurately on target whilst mobile and carrying a mock-up Mouse hole charge.

4 - I'm 15 and I have no problems with the change lever, or the safety. You're more likely to be in a rush to take the safety off than on, so it only really needs to be quick to turn off. The change lever is only used for trench clearing and bunker busting, rarely for anything else so it's not really integral to most combat situations...

5 - ORLY? [http://www.jdfmil.org/equipment/weapons/weapons_home.php]...I think you're telling porkies... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80#Users]
 

Treblaine

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MrJKapowey said:
vrbtny said:
Treblaine said:
MrJKapowey said:
Well, IRL it'd have to be the L85
vrbtny said:
Ah, good to see a fan of possibly the most underrated gun in the world. Especially on the Internet.

The L85 gets my vote too. Though only the L85A2. The A1 was a bit of a joke...
But... huh?

I get personal appeal, but technically what is so great about that gun (not jamming as much as L85A1 isn't much of a unique feature, almost every gun jams less than L85A1).
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It's also really light, adaptable (L22/86/98), accurate, ergonomically designed, (not important) looks cool and is unbelievably easy to strip and clean.

Though this is just the opinion of an Army Cadet who's only used the L98A2, L85A2 and L86A2 so it doesn't really count for much, but it's amazingly easy to get the hang of. It took me 2 hours worth of teaching to understand the weapons system up to around 80% of the level I do today...

Anyway, I think we should all start a campaign to get the SA80 family into BF3! Anyone wth me?

[sub]No? Never mind...[/sub]
Light? It's FIVE KILOGRAMS when fully loaded! That make it the heaviest modern assault rifle used by any modern army, it's only a couple hundred grams lighter than the overweight SLR. Yet none of the weight is where it would be useful to absorb the recoil: at the muzzle end. So the raise from firing the gun is larger than from different weapons half its weight.

For reference, Light Machine guns like the RPK-74 weight in at 5.1kg

Also, you know the L22 and L86 are completely non-reversible variant made at great expense? That's not "adaptable"

You can however on the M4 series easily install a new "upper receiver" with a different barrel length of gas system as is done with the HK 416 variant.

Also the L98 is just the L85 with the gas system ripped out and blocked off for use by cadets... hardly THAT useful.

Also I don't know what you mean about ergonomics, the whole safety and fire select controls are separated over 3 separate points many of them hard to operate. The magazine is too hard to remove when you want it removed yet falls out easily when you don't want it too. The magazine in the rear directly interferes with webbing. There is no way to release the bolt except for reaching right over to the other side of the gun.

L85 easy to strip? The M16 series the action folds open like a break action shotgun, you can clean the action while standing waste deep in a river and never taking your hand off the pistol grip. The Steyr AUG you can swap out the barrel and gas system in less than the time it takes to replace the SA80's magazine.
 

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The cerebral Bore from Turok 2 (Not the shitty remake)

Little homing missle that drilled into the enemies skull and spurted out streams of blood while they twitched and jumped around before falling over dead. (The sound is one i'll never forget.)

Ooooohhhh yeeeeaaaaahhhh, Loved that gun.

OT: The Rock-It Launcher from Fallout 3.

It's really funny when you kill a guy with a teddy bear and then you get a little embarassed for your foe.
 

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pretty simple I have to say. A sword, any sword, if there is a sword in the game I shall use it, pretty simple, eh.