its not what i think they are, its what they are, it was called the Nintendo Entertainment System for a reason, instead of the Nintendo Exquisite-art Systemremnant_phoenix said:To some, games have the potential to be art. Just because you think that they are a means of entertainment and nothing more doesn't mean that they can't be anything more.NuclearKangaroo said:games are a mean of entertainment, any "game" that does not try to be entertaining and instead wants to push some dumb "2deep4u" message or something like that IS pretentiousThe Rogue Wolf said:"Pretentious". It's a word people use to put down games that dare to try to be more than dumb entertainment.
I agree that a forced/preachy message can be pretentious, but any attempt to go beyond just entertainment is not pretentious in and of itself.
For example, Deus Ex: Human Revolution was fun and challenging as a game, but it also handled the subject matter of its story in such a way that invited the player to think about the real-world implications of human augmentation and the role of corporations in sociopolitical life. The player was free to ignore the invitation, but it was there, allowing the player to go beyond the realm of entertainment and into the realm of art. Is that pretentious?
just because they are entertainment doesnt mean a game cant be art, but it should always be first and foremost entertaining, many game devs, specially indie ones nowadays think they can just cram in a message in a stupid walking simulator and call it art, and that somehow excuses them for making a terrible game