Your video game hot take(s) thread

[Xprimentyl]

My buddy sent me a text stating that Sony's plans for consoles in 2028 and beyond is all digital, no discs, and speculation is Microsoft is following suit.

Fine. I restate my assertion: consoles need to be subscription services if "no disc" is going to be the new norm. I'm not willing to "buy" something I can't "own" without an additional cost to preserve it myself with external storage. If they're saving money not printing discs, I shouldn't be expected to pay full retail price which traditionally has included the cost of that physical medium. Either be bold enough to put all the chips into a subscription model and give us access to ALL the games on offer, or drastically drop the price of individual games since our access to them will be subjected to their willingness to offer them. I'd even accept a tiered membership model where we'd pay more for broader access. If someone only wants to pay $10 a month for access to indie and retro titles, and someone else is willing to pay $50 for everything on offer, fine! At least there's an understanding that THEY own the games and WE pay for what they offer. Hell, include the option to "buy" games (at substantially less than the full retail price) with the understanding that ultimately preservation of said purchase falls on the buyer.

@Old_Hunter_77, this is not self-righteous bitching as you've assumed; this is business savvy, the "give and take" within the exchange of commerce. The new reality is digital, that's fine, where's the give on the cost side? They save not printing discs, and sell us codes for the price of a disc? There's a difference between adapting and complying. Gaming is a luxury hobby, but any who can and choose to partake should be respected in the exchange. Getting objectively less for the same and HIGHER prices is complying; adapting would be the industry understanding that their convenience should translate into cost reduction for the consumers.

 

[Worgen]

My buddy sent me a text stating that Sony's plans for consoles in 2028 and beyond is all digital, no discs, and speculation is Microsoft is following suit.

Fine. I restate my assertion: consoles need to be subscription services if "no disc" is going to be the new norm. I'm not willing to "buy" something I can't "own" without an additional cost to preserve it myself with external storage. If they're saving money not printing discs, I shouldn't be expected to pay full retail price which traditionally has included the cost of that physical medium. Either be bold enough to put all the chips into a subscription model and give us access to ALL the games on offer, or drastically drop the price of individual games since our access to them will be subjected to their willingness to offer them. I'd even accept a tiered membership model where we'd pay more for broader access. If someone only wants to pay $10 a month for access to indie and retro titles, and someone else is willing to pay $50 for everything on offer, fine! At least there's an understanding that THEY own the games and WE pay for what they offer. Hell, include the option to "buy" games (at substantially less than the full retail price) with the understanding that ultimately preservation of said purchase falls on the buyer.

@Old_Hunter_77, this is not self-righteous bitching as you've assumed; this is business savvy, the "give and take" within the exchange of commerce. The new reality is digital, that's fine, where's the give on the cost side? They save not printing discs, and sell us codes for the price of a disc? There's a difference between adapting and complying. Gaming is a luxury hobby, but any who can and choose to partake should be respected in the exchange. Getting objectively less for the same and HIGHER prices is complying; adapting would be the industry understanding that their convenience should translate into cost reduction for the consumers.

I'm actually surprised they didn't do this sooner, but I'm also surprised they are doing this now with how expensive storage is.

Anyway, article.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/why-sony-is-killing-disc-based-playstation-games-and-the-implications-for-ps6-and-beyond/

 

[Xprimentyl]

I'm actually surprised they didn't do this sooner, but I'm also surprised they are doing this now with how expensive storage is.

Anyway, article.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/why-sony-is-killing-disc-based-playstation-games-and-the-implications-for-ps6-and-beyond/

I don't care that they're doing it, I only care that they're making it seem like it's the natural evolution of the industry while expecting us to ignore that the cost isn't evolving with it. A decade ago, a physical copy of a game cost $60; that assumed the cost of production and distribution of the physical medium. Now, they've eliminated the physical medium, and telling us the games aren't only still $60, but probably MORE. How do you save money and charge more without conceding some savings to your customers?

 

[Worgen]

I don't care that they're doing it, I only care that they're making it seem like it's the natural evolution of the industry while expecting us to ignore that the cost isn't evolving with it. A decade ago, a physical copy of a game cost $60; that assumed the cost of production and distribution of the physical medium. Now, they've eliminated the physical medium, and telling us the games aren't only still $60, but probably MORE. How do you save money and charge more without conceding some savings to your customers?

And now they are trying to push 70 and 80 for games that are just digital and you can't trade in. Which was the biggest benefit of consoles.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

How do you save money and charge more without conceding some savings to your customers?

Just call it "market conditions" and all the brainless bootlickers will come roaring to their defense.

 

[Drathnoxis]

I've suspected for a while that the PS5 would be my last console. That pretty much confirms it.

 

[BrawlMan]

Sony can burn in the hell it created for itself. Looks like I will be getting the Switch 2 sooner than I thought.

 

[ExtraWildGames]

Sony can burn in the hell it created for itself. Looks like I will be getting the Switch 2 sooner than I thought.

Cold take, would probably do the same.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

My buddy sent me a text stating that Sony's plans for consoles in 2028 and beyond is all digital, no discs, and speculation is Microsoft is following suit.

Fine. I restate my assertion: consoles need to be subscription services if "no disc" is going to be the new norm. I'm not willing to "buy" something I can't "own" without an additional cost to preserve it myself with external storage. If they're saving money not printing discs, I shouldn't be expected to pay full retail price which traditionally has included the cost of that physical medium. Either be bold enough to put all the chips into a subscription model and give us access to ALL the games on offer, or drastically drop the price of individual games since our access to them will be subjected to their willingness to offer them. I'd even accept a tiered membership model where we'd pay more for broader access. If someone only wants to pay $10 a month for access to indie and retro titles, and someone else is willing to pay $50 for everything on offer, fine! At least there's an understanding that THEY own the games and WE pay for what they offer. Hell, include the option to "buy" games (at substantially less than the full retail price) with the understanding that ultimately preservation of said purchase falls on the buyer.

@Old_Hunter_77, this is not self-righteous bitching as you've assumed; this is business savvy, the "give and take" within the exchange of commerce. The new reality is digital, that's fine, where's the give on the cost side? They save not printing discs, and sell us codes for the price of a disc? There's a difference between adapting and complying. Gaming is a luxury hobby, but any who can and choose to partake should be respected in the exchange. Getting objectively less for the same and HIGHER prices is complying; adapting would be the industry understanding that their convenience should translate into cost reduction for the consumers.

I’ll gladly bow out of the console space if subs are the future. I basically already have since the last one I bought is a PS4 Slim a decade ago.

Well, maybe there’s nope for Nintendo yet, so I won’t rule it out completely.

 

[Drathnoxis]

The problem with Nintendo is that they never let the price of their games drop. I'm not paying $80 for a game, especially not one 7 years old.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Sony can burn in the hell it created for itself. Looks like I will be getting the Switch 2 sooner than I thought.

Nintendo's been way way way way way way more anti-consumer than Sony over the years, and yet you're supporting Nintendo?

Not that I'm defending Sony by any means, I haven't played a AAA game in over 5 years so I don't really care about it anymore.

Also, people still and always have the power. If people actually have principles and don't buy games digitally, they will have to sell physical copies or else the game won't sell anything.

Also, video games don't really last forever because of the controller issue. I still have my PS3 and the games but I don't have a good controller for it anymore (I just have an OK Battlefield branded controller) and they don't make the controllers anymore. Steam games actually have a longer lifespan than buying the physical copies for a console.

 

[BrawlMan]

Nintend i'm not giving much credit either. They are better by comparison, and at least giving people a chance, but I don't like GKC either. They pretty much look like the good guys, by comparison, and at least still offer physical and won't be ditching it that soon.

I will get a Switch 2, but it is not my high priority right now. My original switch still gets plenty of usage, and most of the games aren't even that powerful. Nor do I have that many first party games. Most of my games don't even need the performance upgrade.

 

[Worgen]

Nintendo's been way way way way way way more anti-consumer than Sony over the years, and yet you're supporting Nintendo?

Not that I'm defending Sony by any means, I haven't played a AAA game in over 5 years so I don't really care about it anymore.

Also, people still and always have the power. If people actually have principles and don't buy games digitally, they will have to sell physical copies or else the game won't sell anything.

Also, video games don't really last forever because of the controller issue. I still have my PS3 and the games but I don't have a good controller for it anymore (I just have an OK Battlefield branded controller) and they don't make the controllers anymore. Steam games actually have a longer lifespan than buying the physical copies for a console.

Nintendo has been way more anti-fandom then Sony, not anti consumer. Nintendo's games tend to have very few micro transactions, they only started charging for online stuff with the switch, and they take risks with their games. But their treatment of the fandom (fan creations, games, art, etc) has been much worse then most publishers.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

Also, people still and always have the power. If people actually have principles and don't buy games digitally, they will have to sell physical copies or else the game won't sell anything.

A delusional sentiment.

 

[Drathnoxis]

Cloud looked way cooler before his redesign.

His super spiky hair makes him look way tougher. Advent Children ruined his design and now he just looks like some fluffy super model.

 

[Hades]

Cloud looked way cooler before his redesign.

His super spiky hair makes him look way tougher. Advent Children ruined his design and now he just looks like some fluffy super model.

That and Cloud is exactly the type of dork to spend an hour in front of the mirror to get his hair spikey and ''cool''.

 

[Ezekiel]

Also, video games don't really last forever because of the controller issue. I still have my PS3 and the games but I don't have a good controller for it anymore (I just have an OK Battlefield branded controller) and they don't make the controllers anymore. Steam games actually have a longer lifespan than buying the physical copies for a console.

I used the non-Bluetooth RetroFighters Defender to play Metal Gear Solid 3 HD with pressure sensitivity in a PS3 emulator. It is compatible with the PS3. The Bluetooth version has SixAxis. You would have to get used to slimmer bumpers.

Not gonna quote the guy above because he has never said anything nice to me ever, but I believe hosting the downloadable game on a maintained server perpetually costs more than packaged Blu-rays.

 

[Ezekiel]

I've suspected for a while that the PS5 would be my last console. That pretty much confirms it.

I knew the PS4 would be my last PlayStation. I don't like Uncharted 4, The Last of Us, Marvel's Spider-Man, God of War 2018, Ghost of Tsushima, Days Gone or Horizon. Wolverine looks dreadful. I miss Japan Studio and Sony's other mid-budget games. Ape Escape, Gravity Rush, Ico, Spyro, Parappa the Rapper, Demon's Souls (co-produced by them). I guess you can count the photorealistic Until Dawn as well, since it costed between 15 and 20 million dollars, far below the current average. But, otherwise, the photorealism has mostly shot them in the foot. All eggs in one basket or whatever. Too long to make a game, too few games. Their games have become far too derivative and easy. Too risky to do anything but check those boxes and dumb it down when you blow that much money on one game. The obsession with standardized remakes is a symptom of publisher cowardice, which is partly driven by the busy (everything more cluttered than in real life) photorealism. At least Team Ico made it out okay after Sony let them go. They have always impressed me. Gen Atlas is the one game I'm excited for.

 

[Drathnoxis]

I knew the PS4 would be my last PlayStation. I don't like Uncharted 4, The Last of Us, Marvel's Spider-Man, God of War 2018, Ghost of Tsushima, Days Gone or Horizon. Wolverine looks dreadful. I miss Japan Studio and Sony's other mid-budget games. Ape Escape, Gravity Rush, Ico, Spyro, Parappa the Rapper, Demon's Souls (co-produced by them). I guess you can count the photorealistic Until Dawn as well, since it costed between 15 and 20 million dollars, far below the current average. But, otherwise, the photorealism has mostly shot them in the foot. All eggs in one basket or whatever. Too long to make a game, too few games. Their games have become far too derivative and easy. Too risky to do anything but check those boxes and dumb it down when you blow that much money on one game. The obsession with standardized remakes is a symptom of publisher cowardice, which is partly driven by the busy (everything more cluttered than in real life) photorealism. At least Team Ico made it out okay after Sony let them go. They have always impressed me. Gen Atlas is the one game I'm excited for.

I skipped the PS4, so 90% of my PS5's use has been to play PS4 games. I have 23 PS4 games and 3 PS5.

 

[Worgen]

Cloud looked way cooler before his redesign.

His super spiky hair makes him look way tougher. Advent Children ruined his design and now he just looks like some fluffy super model.

First image is broken.