YouTube: Universal Music Abused the System

Vivi22

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
It's scary how many gaming companies and their lobbyists are backing SOPA - Electronic Arts, Epic Games, Ubisoft, Square Enix, THQ, Nintendo, Capcom, Take Two, Sony and some others. Though on the slightly brighter side, Microsoft, Valve, Bethesda and Activision/Blizzard/Vivendi have so far refused to back it.
Strange to see Activision so far refusing to back it. I think it may stem from the fact that they want as many people out there talking about, and showing video of, games like Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 as they can get, especially given that the former is essentially the backbone of esports.

It amazes me to see the list of companies backing it though. Not so much that I'm amazed they would back it, but that they're so short sighted they don't realize that they lose too if the bill passes and they exercise the rights it gives them all willy nilly.
 

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Vivi22 said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
It's scary how many gaming companies and their lobbyists are backing SOPA - Electronic Arts, Epic Games, Ubisoft, Square Enix, THQ, Nintendo, Capcom, Take Two, Sony and some others. Though on the slightly brighter side, Microsoft, Valve, Bethesda and Activision/Blizzard/Vivendi have so far refused to back it.
Strange to see Activision so far refusing to back it. I think it may stem from the fact that they want as many people out there talking about, and showing video of, games like Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 as they can get, especially given that the former is essentially the backbone of esports.

It amazes me to see the list of companies backing it though. Not so much that I'm amazed they would back it, but that they're so short sighted they don't realize that they lose too if the bill passes and they exercise the rights it gives them all willy nilly.
It appears I've been misinformed. Most of those companies aren't actually backing the bill. Sorry. Also, yay!

http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf
 

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What I think is the most terrible, and frankly offensive, in this whole SOPA thing.

Big movie companies want this, they poor money into it, and it's obviously working.
The people do not want this. But are ignored.

And people say that communism didn't work because of corruption.
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
It appears I've been misinformed. Most of those companies aren't actually backing the bill. Sorry. Also, yay!

http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf
Cool, thanks for the correction.

As for Google fighting this bill, that's not a surprise for them. They've always been one of the single biggest supporters of a free and open internet, despite the fact that they could probably gain the most from locking things down a lot of the time. No other company really has the amount of power they do over the internet.
 

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erbkaiser said:
Way to deflect the issue, Google/Youtube! You had no business giving Universal the unilateral right to arbitrarily remove content without even as a DMCA takedown in the first place.
Youtube is saying no such agreement exists.

"Our partners do not have the right to take down videos from YT unless they own the rights to them or they are live performances controlled through exclusive agreements with their artists, which is why we reinstated it," said a YouTube spokesperson.

Therefore UMG abused the system by taking the video down under an agreement that doesn't exist. Now what UMG does next is going to be intertesting. They've effectively been called liars by Youtube. How they react to Youtbe's statement will tell us a lot about UMG.
 

Antari

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The music companies have been slashing away at any company that gets near them. Illegally. It can only last so long. Then the feds will step in and take 1/4 of their yearly profits away and they'll go back to business as usual.
 

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It's nice to see someone taking a stand against this sort of bullshit, now if they can just keep it up...

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I will, however, grab some popcorn and take a backseat while I watch two companies I despise tear each other into bits in a wonderful catfight.
I'll join you! (Grabs a chair and some snacks)
 

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Apparently I know nothing about this, but can someone explain to me how someone other than YouTube can take a video down from YouTube?

Anyway, it's obvious that Universal is abusing the power they apparently have, so I hope they lose.
 

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Megaupload/Megavideo is total shite anyway. Can't it just leave and make way for a better service?
 

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Hmm, I wonder why companies like Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Cisco and Channel Awesome are all rising against this "Sopa" Bill...
After all the Senators allready told us "This is aimed at international piracy, not domestic. DO NOT WORRY, we wouldn't use it against you!"

How freaking f*ing wonderfull ! Why yes, lets hand companies like UMG a nuclear bomb that looks like a money printer and put the detonator under the "press for unlimiited money" button.
DO NOT WORRY, we wouldn't push that button!

If sopa passes, I strongly urge anonymous to post their My little pony posters on every major website and get those sites delisted for wrongfully hosting copyrighted contend. Add some links to your posts on the white house forums so that those go down as well.

Some days I wonder why these headlines make me feel sicker then the news about pedophiles systematicly raping babies and toddlers.
Propably because the sick f*ers that abuse children end up punished and behind bars and not with a pay check for abusing the system.
 

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Ranorak said:
I'm getting so tired of all this copyright bullshit going over the fence hoping into the field of insanity, do a little nude dance and crab-walks back to us. And then expects us to still take it seriously.

I won't argue that copyright laws are useless, or need to go. They are there for a reason and should be enforced. But lately it's just all gone too far.
Yeah, why is alleged copyright infringement being enforced by the Department of Homeland Security [http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/12/09/americas-war-on-blogs/]?
 

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Slayer_2 said:
That ad was the most obnoxious one I've seen in a long time. Honestly, I made it to 1:17 before I wanted to simultaneously pull my hair out of my skull. Those annoying voices crooning "MMMEEGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAA UUUUUUPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDD" grate hard. I'm never using MU again. Who the hell thought that ad was a good idea?

Still, I'm amazed Youtube actually has half a ball regarding this matter. Usually they just bend over for the corporation and take it. Then they proceed to bend the community over and pass along the present.
The ad becomes infinitely better when you realize it sounds similar to parts of the intro song for Paranoia Agent, lol.
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Seriously, fuck Universal, fuck Sony, fuck Nintendo, fuck EA and fuck the US Congress.
Indeed. SOPA would allow them to do this crap to entire websites.

Because piracy.

And (most of) Congress doesn't seem to even want to care to understand the bill. Because "they're no nerds and there's no reason to bring in the nerds to explain it" (actual god damn quote).
That was Wyatt right?


So far, I've only seen Issa, Polis, Chaffetz, Lofgreen, Eshoo, Wyden take a stand against it. Also Ron Paul calling it out as complete censorship but don't feel like opening that can of worms here.

I've never seen people so staunchly against bringing in experts testimony before, and some of the original architects of the internet came out against it.
 

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And people think America's a democracy...

I'm starting to think the very definition of the word is being lost by a lot of Western politicians, and not only Americans. Seeing as information can circulate so quickly nowadays, it's extremely easy to goad the masses into expressing paranoia or to fear whatever it is they don't understand.

I'm pretty sure piracy is this generation's new Red Scare, alongside Muslim terrorists. The moral fibre of people using Torrent trackers is being put into question, and I'm sure you could all think of several "test" cases over the last few years, where sudden and massive crackdowns were operated against superseeders. I have a neighbour with several two-terabyte hard drives nestled into a sort of personal server farm, which he's crammed to the brim with stuff he yanks off P2P networks. I'm sure he's received infringement notices from his ISP, but Canada's notoriously lax in that respect. Beyond a slap on the wrist, nothing seems to be done.

Then, last summer, completely out of the blue, I started hearing about how the RCMP was trying to actively pursue people who'd downloaded "The Hurt Locker" before its release in theatres. This was Canada trying to prove it could be just as much of a bully as its downstairs neighbour, I guess. Arrests were made, headlines were printed, my folks were extremely worried that I might have downloaded the flick (I hadn't, seeing as I'd seen it on the silver screen, fair and square).

After that? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. We occasionally get headlines designed to remind us that evil, EEEEEVIL piracy is still a chief concern, and that there's kids armed with DV cams sneaking into showings. aXXo is still sometimes mentioned as the biggest content provider on the scene - you'll know the name if you've ever flirted with P2P sites before - while this is no longer accurate. Across Demonoid and The Pirate Bay, there now are content providers with faster delivery times and more immediate responses than whoever aXXo is.

What we're seeing is an industry that refuses to change, because changing copyright laws to accommodate more widespread forms of digital distribution would undermine the foundations of some of the world's biggest legal content providers. I'm talking game publishers, movie and music studios, as well as some book publishers.

To its credit, though, the medium of paper publishing is still evolving much faster than the rest. Several American publishers have embraced the eBook format and generally tried to issue appropriately priced electronic versions of their paper catalog; but you can plainly see that the MPAA and RIAA don't give a rat's ass about digital distribution. Why should they give a shit, when they've seen how much of a cash cow the 3D trend is? The most we see is timid deals landed with YouTube to allow for movies that are just short of becoming part of the public domain be released on the seldom-updated Movies section.

Try it out, once, it's pretty striking. YouTube touted that feature as being a new way to watch movies, when all we're seeing is the release of public domain movies or fairly obscure releases - along with a weird concentration of Bollywood titles.

Bollywood? Really?

The short of it is that things need to change. The current model for the handling of intellectual properties is clearly outdated. I'll be the first to say everyone needs to be paid, but we're clearly heading straight for a brick wall. In trying to safeguard the jobs of set carpenters, CG artists, level designers, sound engineers, programmers, actors musicians and countless others, these legal providers are turning not just America, but most of the Western world into one big police state.

There *has* to be some sort of agreeable middle ground, some way to ensure that the artisans behind the scenes aren't being cheated, while allowing for accessibility and ease of use.
 

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I almost think Mega Upload orchestrated the whole controversy. I mean, I otherwise would not have even known about the advertisement, and I certainly would not have watched very far into it.

It's way too long and annoying to be a legitimate advert. I can see chunks of it used as whole, or parts of, smaller adverts, but that was just annoying.

Regardless, Universal doesn't have a case. Even shitty adverts have protection.
 

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Universal is really desperate here, but their claim directly contradicts the text of the DMCA, and as such this take down was illegal. In order to request a takedown via YouTube's copyright complaint mechanism an entity acting with the authority of Universal had to claim that it had ownership of the copyrighted content. This claim is made under the penalty of perjury and as such it is technically a criminal offense. That said this charge will not be pursued.

The real problem for Universal is that the DMCA gives entities that have been wrongfully accused of infringement and had their access or content terminated in good faith by a service provider (such as YouTube) the right to sue the party that requested this erroneous takedown for punitive damages and for injunctive relief. Meaning that if Megaupload plays their cards right they could get an injunction against Universal for making ANY similar takedown requests until they overhaul their own auditing system.

Universal's claim that this isn't an official DMCA takedown notice is bogus as the established case law in Viacom v YouTube clearly demonstrates. Now if there was an automated takedown performed via YouTube's content ID system using existing signatures that were created by Universal using their copyrighted content this wouldn't be a problem as these do not count as DMCA takedown requests, instead these are proactive measures to prevent infringement, but my understanding is that this used an actual DMCA takedown or a signature based on the video itself, which Universal does not own, and as such it does.