Zero Punctuation: Bayonetta 2 - Sheer Joyful Energy

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Finally someone solved THE issue of this generation. Now solve the middle east!
 

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Surprisingly mixed rather than outright negative, how weird. Of course there are a few Zero Punctuation Wii U stuff to check off the list but yeah, an actually enjoyable review of a current gen exclusive game.

Personally I didn't have this issue with the finger strain or the update, and I think the "second verse, same as the first" stuff gets finished after the first third and it moves on with the rest of the game. I also liked the backtracking because it does it with a Halo: Combat Evolves mindset in that you're only actually in an old level for ten seconds before moving into a different part of this old level you couldn't access before (see that repeat of Assault on the Control Room when compared to Vigrid: The City of Deja Vu). That swearing business is off, admittedly, especially in cutscenes as I don't remember Bayonetta ever swearing in the first game.

Edit: Oh yes, the penultimate boss fight. Thanks for the clarification guys.
 

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Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
 

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Perhaps a whiff of a carnal stormgale is just what the Nintendo universe needs. A beating with an ergonomical truncheon is what the controller dept. definately needs.
 

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I generally just use the pro-controller if I don't intend to use a touch-pad control setup for anything. Feels much better.
 

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I actually thought it was hilarious when she'd say 'fuck off' at the end of one of the combos, especially against some of the pitifully weak enemies. I suspect that's one taunt that would not be included should she ever make it to the smash bros roster.

I'm glad nintendo snagged the game as an exclusive: it's exactly the sort of thing the wii was missing from the last generation. I swear, as time goes on I keep finding myself more and more convinced that the wii u is the system to get this generation (apart from a pc). I played the demo at a friend's house, and combined with other titles that are out or coming out in the next year, it seems like nintendo will have at least something resembling a decent library this time around.
 

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Is it me or Yahtzee's been a bit comedically "bolder" recently? I approve.
 

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I'll chalk this up to a game he enjoyed then, since he was relatively light on the bashing this episode.

I do like how he lampooned/lampshaded the Polygon review fiasco.

And now I really want to see Bayonetta in Smash Bros now. Her playstyle would be interesting (And it wouldn't be hard to tone her down for Smash. Just make it so her outfit doesn't vanish when she uses Wicked Weaves or Demon summons).
 

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OverHaze said:
Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
I was going to point that out as well. But I can understand the phrase being misunderstood when you're busy shooting, stabbing, punching, kicking, and sexy posing your way through an army of monsters.

Also, if Nintendo bites the bullet and brings in Bayonetta into Super Smash Bros as a DLC character, its gonna have her more "sensual" poses and attacks toned down. If not, then I'm predicting a lot of young boys and girls are going to be drop-kicked into puberty in record time. ^^;
 

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OMG Yatzheee talked about things other then the game mechanics BOY COT HIM!! ETHICS IN JOURNALISIM
 

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What I've learned from this video:

The Wii U will have sex with the box cover to Bayonetta 2...The reason why the new Smash Bros. doesn't have Bayonetta as a playable character is because that universe can't handle her clitoris...We all should have an orgy later on because that's how diverse we are?

That last one confuses me a bit, but whatever... Who brought the Nintendo lube this time?
 

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Rakschas said:
Why on earth would you use eagle shield in Dark Souls that thing is shit m8?!
It didn't used to be, it was one of the best high stability/100% physical defense shields and light too! Then FROM nerfed it...I don't know WHY but they did. Pricks.

OT: I like the sound of that, "Sheer Joyful Energy", hell I can imagine Yahtzee even cracking a smile at saying that.
 

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OverHaze said:
Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
Which also helps keep with the tone; I think she only says a handful of actual swears in entire game. Which also helps keep the campy tone. Though when things descend into "serious" mode in the final act things fall off.

In terms of gameplay, there's actually quite a few things it does to improve itself. Such as getting rid of those stupid gimmick stages from its predecessor, scaling back awkward platforming, getting rid of the "Press X to Not Die" QTEs, making the difficulty curve less steep, switching where the damned lock-on button is, not punishing the player for using items, and getting Crispin Fuckmothering Freeman in as the Lumen Sage (though of course that's personal preference). It's like the DMC3 to Bayonetta's DMC1; a game with a lot better design due to getting rid of stuff that didn't work and emphasizing that which did. Kamiya is a good designer, but he has a REALLY bad tendency to put a lot of stupid bullshit in his games for sake of gameplay variance that end up detracting from the experience instead of elevating it.
 

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Three minutes in and I was getting ready to witness the rarest event in human history, a Yahtzee Nintendo review that doesn't complain about Nintendo. I was thoroughly disappointment.
 

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bobdole1979 said:
OMG Yatzheee talked about things other then the game mechanics BOY COT HIM!! ETHICS IN JOURNALISIM
Yeah and how fun matters and not the size of the womens bust and her well written charakter and boring PMS-Problems.
BOY COT THE MISOOOUGENOUIST!

Because: Why not both?!
 

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Sounds interesting. I can't really fault it for being a Nintendo exclusive if that's the only way they were able to make the new game, but if that stops being the case at some point I might actually be able to buy it.
 
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As it happens, the swearing issue was what finally made me give up on Thief (reboot/reimagining/whatever). As soon as new, american Garret met the "shady" merchant and they started F-ing this and F- that, I was done. It was so out of place and destroyed any immersion and good will I'd afforded it from the original trilogy. Boring taffing game and all the characters in it are taffers.
 

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El Comandante said:
bobdole1979 said:
OMG Yatzheee talked about things other then the game mechanics BOY COT HIM!! ETHICS IN JOURNALISIM
Yeah and how fun matters and not the size of the womens bust and her well written charakter and boring PMS-Problems.
BOY COT THE MISOOOUGENOUIST!

Because: Why not both?!
... you missed the point. btw who is boycotting misogynists?
 

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Evonisia said:
Surprisingly mixed rather than outright negative, how weird. Of course there are a few Zero Punctuation Wii U stuff to check off the list but yeah, an actually enjoyable review of a current gen exclusive game.

Personally I didn't have this issue with the finger strain or the update, and I think the "second verse, same as the first" stuff gets finished after the first third and it moves on with the rest of the game. I also liked the backtracking because it does it with a Halo: Combat Evolves mindset in that you're only actually in an old level for ten seconds before moving into a different part of this old level you couldn't access before (see that repeat of Assault on the Control Room when compared to Vigrid: The City of Deja Vu). That swearing business is off, admittedly, especially in cutscenes as I don't remember Bayonetta ever swearing in the first game.
She does, trust me. "Don't fuck with a witch!" Right before killing a god with her lipstick bullet.

...


Bayonetta was a damn weird game.
 

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Yahtzee, I'm going to say the same thing I say to everyone else who wants Bayonetta in Smash Bros: That's a terrible idea.

I don't really care what Yahtzee says, I'm picking this up for the Holidays since I need to conserve all of my money for that one fighting game everyone keeps talking about.

daxterx2005 said:
Bayonetta being in Smash is fine, we had solid snake after all.
Snake also had to be constricted to only explosives, he couldn't use any of his guns outside of those. Do you really think Bayonetta isn't going to get off w/o that kind of rule?
 

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KingsGambit said:
As it happens, the swearing issue was what finally made me give up on Thief (reboot/reimagining/whatever). As soon as new, american Garret met the "shady" merchant and they started F-ing this and F- that, I was done. It was so out of place and destroyed any immersion and good will I'd afforded it from the original trilogy. Boring taffing game and all the characters in it are taffers.
If it makes you feel better she doesn't say fuck she says flock. Yahtzee must have gotten confused by the odd accent or the music and sounds got in the way. Can't tell if you were on the fence about this game or not though.
 

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Rakschas said:
Why on earth would you use eagle shield in Dark Souls that thing is shit m8?!
on the first Dark Souls, it's actually a really decent caster shield, It's super light for a greatshield and though it's not 100% physical def, it doesn't suck away all your stamina when hit by a stray pebble.

About Bayonetta, yes.
Although I like 2 better than one, it didn't seem to do anything particularly new or interesting. But hey great is still great.
 

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A ZP video with "sheer joyful energy" in the title just seems wrong.
As does the idea of Bayonetta not only being on Nintendo, but exclusive to Nintendo, but here we are. As wrong as it seems, it is oh so right.
 

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Right, well now that Yahtzee solved gender issues in video games ONCE AND FOR ALL, I expect a nice respectful discussion in the comments, and I like what I've read here so far. It feels, I dare say, liberating to have a game that just embraces the ridiculous and goes off the goddamn wall with it. See that , Tomb Raider debs? You CAN have a female lead who likes what she does and is more fun to be around!
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OverHaze said:
Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
I was going to point that out as well. But I can understand the phrase being misunderstood when you're busy shooting, stabbing, punching, kicking, and sexy posing your way through an army of monsters.

Also, if Nintendo bites the bullet and brings in Bayonetta into Super Smash Bros as a DLC character, its gonna have her more "sensual" poses and attacks toned down. If not, then I'm predicting a lot of young boys and girls are going to be drop-kicked into puberty in record time. ^^;
Like daxterx2005 already said, it wouldn't be the first time an M-rated game lead was in a Smash Bros. game. Remember Solid Snake? He couldn't use his guns, but was allowed to keep his grenades and Stinger Missles.
 

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People who are capable of enjoying themselves: yes, this is a grotesquely underserved and underrepresented demographic in just about everything. You don't hear much from this demographic on the web because the people belonging to this demographic are too busy enjoying themselves with what they have rather than needing to launch into endless crusades against everyone else who does not agree with them (or buy the same electronics, or play the same games, or have the same personal preferences, or...). There really does need to be more games designed for people who are capable of enjoying themselves, because I think this is a vast market of critically untapped revenue potential for developers and publishers.

More OT: Now I really have to go back and give Bayonetta 1 a second chance. I stopped playing it long ago because the loads and pauses between missions were severely flow-breaking, which felt really jarring to me in a game that was otherwise so freely fluidic.
 

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bobdole1979 said:
El Comandante said:
bobdole1979 said:
OMG Yatzheee talked about things other then the game mechanics BOY COT HIM!! ETHICS IN JOURNALISIM
Yeah and how fun matters and not the size of the womens bust and her well written charakter and boring PMS-Problems.
BOY COT THE MISOOOUGENOUIST!

Because: Why not both?!
... you missed the point. btw who is boycotting misogynists?
I think he got your point just fine, it's just that the point is a strawman which we all is a made up one which has nothing to do with what you're implying it has anything to do with.
 

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"Sheer Joyful Energy", now that doesn't sound like Yahtzee... *Complains about optional options* theeere he is!
 

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And I find it kind of pathetic that Yahtzee has to knock games for taking themselves seriously. I mean, Dark Souls takes itself SO seriously, but is never critiqued for it (but that game doesn't have much work put into a sequence of cutscenes that tell a story, so it must be some sort of narrative revolution, I guess).

Knocking games that earn their serious tone through character development and world building, like The Last of Us and Shadow of Mordor, is really profoundly unfair. Not everyone wants to be a jokey action-adventure romp, even if the Tomb Raider reboot might have benefited from doing so. Just stop giving games shit for having the tone they choose if they pull it off reasonable.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
.. Sorry if I sound dumb but- I cannot tell if Yahtzee liked Bayonetta 2 or not. Everyone I know, along with their mom and the dog sure as heck liked it to bits. I'm pretty envious actually, because I want to play the game... yet, I don't own a Wii U to play a single game on.

Regardless, I liked how wild Yahtzee went with his review. Notice how much was going on in his panels?
I'ma assume he really did like it, seeing how he could play "Hungry Hungry Hippo" with her on a train for hours and not feel lust lol.
He liked it, that I can say for sure.

I'd go as far as to say that Bayonetta 2 might even be in his top 5 this year. Currently, it looks like Dark Souls II, Strider, Shovel Knight, Alien Isolation and this will make the cut, with the possibility of Shadow of Mordor, Wolfenstein and South Park Stick of Truth to be there too.
 

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Haru17 said:
And I find it kind of pathetic that Yahtzee has to knock games for taking themselves seriously. I mean, Dark Souls takes itself SO seriously, but is never critiqued for it (but that game doesn't have much work put into a sequence of cutscenes that tell a story, so it must be some sort of narrative revolution, I guess).

Knocking games that earn their serious tone through character development and world building, like The Last of Us and Shadow of Mordor, is really profoundly unfair. Not everyone wants to be a jokey action-adventure romp, even if the Tomb Raider reboot might have benefited from doing so. Just stop giving games shit for having the tone they choose if they pull it off reasonable.
I think what Yahtzee is trying to say when he complains about the brood factor is that he doesn't think those games have done it right. He said that the main character of Shadow of Mordor was completely generic, hence why should he care when he's delving into a tone that is at this point a massive cliché. He didn't like the main characters of The Last of Us, either.

He has liked unbelievably grim video games such as Limbo, Amnesia, Spec Ops: The Line, Batman: Arkham Asylum and City, FarCry 3 (the rather depressing character building part) and Silent Hills 1, 2, 3, 4, Shattered Memories and Downpour.
 

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Oh Yahtzee what have you done? I hope you know that you are going to get lynched by Neo-femmanazis and their legions of Social Justice Whiners for having a different opinion that they do.
 

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Evonisia said:
Haru17 said:
And I find it kind of pathetic that Yahtzee has to knock games for taking themselves seriously. I mean, Dark Souls takes itself SO seriously, but is never critiqued for it (but that game doesn't have much work put into a sequence of cutscenes that tell a story, so it must be some sort of narrative revolution, I guess).

Knocking games that earn their serious tone through character development and world building, like The Last of Us and Shadow of Mordor, is really profoundly unfair. Not everyone wants to be a jokey action-adventure romp, even if the Tomb Raider reboot might have benefited from doing so. Just stop giving games shit for having the tone they choose if they pull it off reasonable.
I think what Yahtzee is trying to say when he complains about the brood factor is that he doesn't think those games have done it right. He said that the main character of Shadow of Mordor was completely generic, hence why should he care when he's delving into a tone that is at this point a massive cliché. He didn't like the main characters of The Last of Us, either.

He has liked unbelievably grim video games such as Limbo, Amnesia, Spec Ops: The Line, Batman: Arkham Asylum and City, FarCry 3 (the rather depressing character building part) and Silent Hills 1, 2, 3, 4, Shattered Memories and Downpour.
Very well, but as important as original writing is execution and Shadow of Mordor really leaned into the whole dead family thing. Except the ending, that entire game shows how exhausted Talion was and how he just wanted to die and meet his family again in Tolkein heaven.

And I really can't forgive such a negative review of the Last of Us, purely because it told an unhappy story via cutscenes. I mean, it's basically the best video game story of it's kind and he shat all over it for being sad, like real life is such a fucking joyride.
 

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Shame its not on something i'll buy, 3ds is as nintendo as i go and thats only for pokemon. Looks good and hope it sells wiiU to somebody :p
 

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What's this.. fun?! We'll have none of that here, thank you. I'm going to whistle off and play some games.
 

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daxterx2005 said:
Bayonetta being in Smash is fine, we had solid snake after all.
Exactly. Might take some cleaning up (Snake wasn't allowed to smoke or swear), but remember they have Zero Suit Samus already, who doesn't have the abnormally long legs and is equally skintight. Including her might also be a sign of encouragement from Ninty asking for the developers to keep Bayonetta exclusive to them.

Pity she's too late to add to SSB-U at this point. DLC maybe? And wow, I actually just asked for something to be DLC. Now I feel dirty.

'Happy to be a game' is the line I remember best from the reviews of Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin, a sentiment I completely agreed with. Sounds like this one is the same way. Cheers.
 

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I am probably not hte first to say it, but:

1. Bayonetta 2 did few things notably different, for example 'mid-cutscene-instant-death-QTEs' which were a pain in the first one and don't exist in 2.

2. Bayonetta 2 is WiiU exclusive because nobody but Nintendo wanted to fund it.
 

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Haru17 said:
Evonisia said:
Haru17 said:
And I find it kind of pathetic that Yahtzee has to knock games for taking themselves seriously. I mean, Dark Souls takes itself SO seriously, but is never critiqued for it (but that game doesn't have much work put into a sequence of cutscenes that tell a story, so it must be some sort of narrative revolution, I guess).

Knocking games that earn their serious tone through character development and world building, like The Last of Us and Shadow of Mordor, is really profoundly unfair. Not everyone wants to be a jokey action-adventure romp, even if the Tomb Raider reboot might have benefited from doing so. Just stop giving games shit for having the tone they choose if they pull it off reasonable.
I think what Yahtzee is trying to say when he complains about the brood factor is that he doesn't think those games have done it right. He said that the main character of Shadow of Mordor was completely generic, hence why should he care when he's delving into a tone that is at this point a massive cliché. He didn't like the main characters of The Last of Us, either.

He has liked unbelievably grim video games such as Limbo, Amnesia, Spec Ops: The Line, Batman: Arkham Asylum and City, FarCry 3 (the rather depressing character building part) and Silent Hills 1, 2, 3, 4, Shattered Memories and Downpour.
Very well, but as important as original writing is execution and Shadow of Mordor really leaned into the whole dead family thing. Except the ending, that entire game shows how exhausted Talion was and how he just wanted to die and meet his family again in Tolkein heaven.

And I really can't forgive such a negative review of the Last of Us, purely because it told an unhappy story via cutscenes. I mean, it's basically the best video game story of it's kind and he shat all over it for being sad, like real life is such a fucking joyride.
In order for the dead family bit to hold any sort of emotional weight to it you had to actually give a damn about either the family or Talion. The game killed off the family as soon as it was introduced and Talion never does anythin remotely worth giving a damn about. The game told us how sad and depressed he was and how we should feel sorry for him, but it never gives us a reason to outside of the fact that somethin bad happened to him.

You make a person care about a character by making us care about the character. You don't make use care about a character simply because you tell us to care about them.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
.. Sorry if I sound dumb but- I cannot tell if Yahtzee liked Bayonetta 2 or not.
Mixed. He liked the first game but calls the second a "bad sequel" for copy-pasting levels not doing anything very new. You might say he's OK with it but overall disappointed. Rank 5 in his GOTY list, tops.

He seemed more critical of the Wii U itself: 1) 30 minute updates and 2) awkward controller.
 

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shintakie10 said:
Haru17 said:
Evonisia said:
Haru17 said:
And I find it kind of pathetic that Yahtzee has to knock games for taking themselves seriously. I mean, Dark Souls takes itself SO seriously, but is never critiqued for it (but that game doesn't have much work put into a sequence of cutscenes that tell a story, so it must be some sort of narrative revolution, I guess).

Knocking games that earn their serious tone through character development and world building, like The Last of Us and Shadow of Mordor, is really profoundly unfair. Not everyone wants to be a jokey action-adventure romp, even if the Tomb Raider reboot might have benefited from doing so. Just stop giving games shit for having the tone they choose if they pull it off reasonable.
I think what Yahtzee is trying to say when he complains about the brood factor is that he doesn't think those games have done it right. He said that the main character of Shadow of Mordor was completely generic, hence why should he care when he's delving into a tone that is at this point a massive cliché. He didn't like the main characters of The Last of Us, either.

He has liked unbelievably grim video games such as Limbo, Amnesia, Spec Ops: The Line, Batman: Arkham Asylum and City, FarCry 3 (the rather depressing character building part) and Silent Hills 1, 2, 3, 4, Shattered Memories and Downpour.
Very well, but as important as original writing is execution and Shadow of Mordor really leaned into the whole dead family thing. Except the ending, that entire game shows how exhausted Talion was and how he just wanted to die and meet his family again in Tolkein heaven.

And I really can't forgive such a negative review of the Last of Us, purely because it told an unhappy story via cutscenes. I mean, it's basically the best video game story of it's kind and he shat all over it for being sad, like real life is such a fucking joyride.
In order for the dead family bit to hold any sort of emotional weight to it you had to actually give a damn about either the family or Talion. The game killed off the family as soon as it was introduced and Talion never does anythin remotely worth giving a damn about. The game told us how sad and depressed he was and how we should feel sorry for him, but it never gives us a reason to outside of the fact that somethin bad happened to him.

You make a person care about a character by making us care about the character. You don't make use care about a character simply because you tell us to care about them.
Well, I would consider the motion capture acting 'anythin', as it conveyed Talion's feelings quite well. That and the world building you so obviously ignored paints Mordor as a bleak place where human slaves are forced to do manual labor, such as farming in Nurnen, and quite frequently tortured and killed. Not giving developers credit for world building where credit is due only incentives their not caring at all in the next game, because no one noticed anyway.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Caramel Frappe said:
.. Sorry if I sound dumb but- I cannot tell if Yahtzee liked Bayonetta 2 or not.
Mixed. He liked the first game but calls the second a "bad sequel" for copy-pasting levels not doing anything very new. You might say he's OK with it but overall disappointed. Rank 5 in his GOTY list, tops.

He seemed more critical of the Wii U itself: 1) 30 minute updates and 2) awkward controller.
I chalk that up to his bias showing again. 1) Doesn't apply to pretty much every console currently out now? Or even the ones from last gen? I recall having to wait for every PS3 game I bought having to download before I could play it. And 2) I'm pretty sure the game's compatible with the Pro Controller.

See this is why I'm quick to throw the "bias" card down whenever Yahtzee complains about Nintendo. These complaints are trivial, even for him, and can be easily solved but instead he chooses to complain about them and pad out the review.
 

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I really like the first and second one, both. Sure they are similar, but the second one really advanced on the first one I think.
The story was good, a bit weird at times, but it was Bayonetta so what was I expectin? And then after the story there are the Which Trials... THEY ARE DIFFICULT AS HELL!!!!

I would've liked Yhatzee to say something about the costumes, my mates think I'm crazy when I run around in a "slightly altered" Princess Peach costume :D
 

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OverHaze said:
Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
To be fair she's not the only Nintendo character who sounds like they're saying fuck off. In Super Mario 3D World I swear Rosalina is shouting "fuck off" in a cheerful way when she long jumps.
 

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LordTerminal said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Caramel Frappe said:
.. Sorry if I sound dumb but- I cannot tell if Yahtzee liked Bayonetta 2 or not.
Mixed. He liked the first game but calls the second a "bad sequel" for copy-pasting levels not doing anything very new. You might say he's OK with it but overall disappointed. Rank 5 in his GOTY list, tops.

He seemed more critical of the Wii U itself: 1) 30 minute updates and 2) awkward controller.
I chalk that up to his bias showing again. 1) Doesn't apply to pretty much every console currently out now? Or even the ones from last gen?
Don't know about current gen but this never happened to me on the PS3.
 

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People who are capable of enjoying themselves: yes, this is a grotesquely underserved and underrepresented demographic in just about everything. You don't hear much from this demographic on the web because the people belonging to this demographic are too busy enjoying themselves with what they have rather than needing to launch into endless crusades against everyone else who does not agree with them (or buy the same electronics, or play the same games, or have the same personal preferences, or...). There really does need to be more games designed for people who are capable of enjoying themselves, because I think this is a vast market of critically untapped revenue potential for developers and publishers.

More OT: Now I really have to go back and give Bayonetta 1 a second chance. I stopped playing it long ago because the loads and pauses between missions were severely flow-breaking, which felt really jarring to me in a game that was otherwise so freely fluidic.
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
 

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I don't understand why if Yahtzee is going to complain about the game pad in each Wii-U review he does why he doesn't just use the pro controller, it's supported with most games and that way he won't have to bring up a hardware issue each time he reviews a game for the system.
 

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KazeAizen said:
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
Yes. Yes, I did, and still do. Have you played all the way through it?
Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
 

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geizr said:
KazeAizen said:
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
Yes. Yes, I did, and still do. Have you played all the way through it?
Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
Ah, that would certainly explain it. I very much remember that when I was in the game and playing, it was quite an adrenaline rush, which was phenomenal. But, then, I'd hit the mission loads that would take forever, and the rush would decay.

There needs to be some kind of scientific study in adrenaline rush decay times for frenetic action games. Basically, the developer needs to ensure that load times and pauses are not longer than the characteristic adrenaline rush decay time, except at key moments that are intended to give the gamer's nerves a break to avoid total burnout and fatigue. In this manner, the pacing of frenetic games can be better tuned and controlled. This would probably be particularly key for frenetic games with relatively long session play times, e.g. greater than 3 hours. Just a thought.
 

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geizr said:
KazeAizen said:
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
Yes. Yes, I did, and still do. Have you played all the way through it?
Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
Ah, that would certainly explain it. I very much remember that when I was in the game and playing, it was quite an adrenaline rush, which was phenomenal. But, then, I'd hit the mission loads that would take forever, and the rush would decay.

There needs to be some kind of scientific study in adrenaline rush decay times for frenetic action games. Basically, the developer needs to ensure that load times and pauses are not longer than the characteristic adrenaline rush decay time, except at key moments that are intended to give the gamer's nerves a break to avoid total burnout and fatigue. In this manner, the pacing of frenetic games can be better tuned and controlled. This would probably be particularly key for frenetic games with relatively long session play times, e.g. greater than 3 hours. Just a thought.
Sounds like a solid investment for companies that would have that much money to spend. Still if you do have the Wii U and can get the game do give the original another chance. When I learned about the PS3 loading problems I just couldn't believe it because I knew people were going to be turned off because of that.
 

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And I really can't forgive such a negative review of the Last of Us, purely because it told an unhappy story via cutscenes.
Hang on, he didn't hate The Last Of Us. And his review didn't mention cutscenes even once.

He did, however, hate Joel and Ellie, because they were goddamn sociopaths who would gladly fuck over the entire world just so that they could have their own selfish "happy ending". (Yeah, great, have your surrogate father-daughter bonding, no worries that you've just killed everyone who was looking for a cure to the Infected. Christ, even Booker DeWitt had the decency to kill himself in order to set things right.)

From his review:
I guess the story is the selling point, but while it is well-presented, it's also fairly predictable [...] Naughty Dog games have a bad habit of dehumanizing every character except the leads for no particular reasons besides "fuck you, got mine." [...] by the end, Joel and Ellie have both done things that make even the murdering seem like a single skid mark on a sewage outflow pipe, and I just stopped sympathizing.
 

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So, I'm a Nintendo fan boy and don't feel offended by this Zero Punctuation. It's... weird. Like I'm just entering in some parallel universe.
 

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That swearing business is off, admittedly, especially in cutscenes as I don't remember Bayonetta ever swearing in the first game.
Dude don't fuck with a witch.
 

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Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
This is true. She says "flock".
 

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So, I'm a Nintendo fan boy and don't feel offended by this Zero Punctuation. It's... weird. Like I'm just entering in some parallel universe.
I'm as surprised as you are with this week's vid. He was surprisingly gentle with the Nintendo bashing (Compared to the shit-fest that he threw at Nintendo and the LoZ fandom during his Hyrule Warriors vid) this time around.
 

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upp... he mentioned DarkSouls again. *takes a drink*
Oh crap... he DIDN'T go out of his way to bait Nintendo fans for once *drinks whole bottle*

I keep hearing comments that Bayonetta's not attractive b/c she looks like an old Librarian. Being a cougar aficionado, there was a time I'd take much umbrage to that and say THAT was "objectifying" to diss on the older ladies like that since it's a double edged sword and finding someone "not-sexual" because of a double standard about aging is basically the same thing... until Sarah Palin happened and poisoned that Trope completely by being handed scripted mannerisms to specifically appeal to the sorts who would literally faff off to a gunrack with tits strapped to it. So my question would be: Is Bayonetta just the chain-swords from god of war with a curvaceous ass strapped on? Or do her mannerisms go beyond "specifically scripted" to actually allow the Player agency as well in how "Sexual" she is? Because that's where I think the real key lies Interactive media "equality". It's not "He vs. She", it's "You versus the Dungeon-Master".

People need to stop judging the Scripted parts, and actually start judging the Player-Choice and interaction itself. If all you care about is the written narrative, then there's already tons of Movies AND BOOKS out for every social justice issue you could ever want patronage paid to. Games meanwhile just need more branching storylines, dialog, and win-states.
 

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OMG Yatzheee talked about things other then the game mechanics BOY COT HIM!! ETHICS IN JOURNALISIM
It wasn't very objective. Also, he should have made his personal ties to Lara Croft more evident in this review.
 

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Am I the only one that doesn't had craps from the pad?

Anyway that imp image at the end was too much XD

I suck at this game, but I like it a lot.
 

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Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
Considering how often I see load issues mentioned for PS3 versions of a game, I somewhat suspect it's not all that rare.
 

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.. Sorry if I sound dumb but- I cannot tell if Yahtzee liked Bayonetta 2 or not. Everyone I know, along with their mom and the dog sure as heck liked it to bits. I'm pretty envious actually, because I want to play the game... yet, I don't own a Wii U to play a single game on.

Regardless, I liked how wild Yahtzee went with his review. Notice how much was going on in his panels?
I'ma assume he really did like it, seeing how he could play "Hungry Hungry Hippo" with her on a train for hours and not feel lust lol.
He liked it I think, the review sound more positive then normal, and .. happy ... o_O
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
He seemed more critical of the Wii U itself: 1) 30 minute updates and 2) awkward controller.
I chalk that up to his bias showing again. 1) Doesn't apply to pretty much every console currently out now? Or even the ones from last gen? I recall having to wait for every PS3 game I bought having to download before I could play it. And 2) I'm pretty sure the game's compatible with the Pro Controller.

See this is why I'm quick to throw the "bias" card down whenever Yahtzee complains about Nintendo. These complaints are trivial, even for him, and can be easily solved but instead he chooses to complain about them and pad out the review.
To be fair, he's made similar complaints about the Xbox One, particularly in the Ryse episode. And he complains about the PS4's touchpad whenever he's forced to use it.
 

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I find the GamePad more comfortable than the 360 controller ever was, but maybe it's because I don't have the giant ape hands you apparently need to appreciate Microsoft's bulky-as-frig, so-called "greatest controller ever." In any case, I'm pretty sure you can just use the Pro Controller.

Still, I'll admit I feel some smug self-satisfaction in seeing the bastard finally realize who the good guys are in this race after he pissed all over them for the better part of a decade, and we all know how Mr. Cynical McHypehate is all about smug self-satisfaction.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
.. Sorry if I sound dumb but- I cannot tell if Yahtzee liked Bayonetta 2 or not. Everyone I know, along with their mom and the dog sure as heck liked it to bits. I'm pretty envious actually, because I want to play the game... yet, I don't own a Wii U to play a single game on.

Regardless, I liked how wild Yahtzee went with his review. Notice how much was going on in his panels?
I'ma assume he really did like it, seeing how he could play "Hungry Hungry Hippo" with her on a train for hours and not feel lust lol.
Basically, He more points out the negatives then positives, hence why I can't get the image of her "Outfit" being made of pubic hair Q_Q

Still, As a long time viewer, I can say he most likely enjoyed it, seeing how he wasn't slamming game mechanics and design outside of it being just "more of the first game".
As for the lust, I'd say that'd be the "Hair" issues >.>
 

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geizr said:
KazeAizen said:
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
Yes. Yes, I did, and still do. Have you played all the way through it?
Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
Ah, that would certainly explain it. I very much remember that when I was in the game and playing, it was quite an adrenaline rush, which was phenomenal. But, then, I'd hit the mission loads that would take forever, and the rush would decay.

There needs to be some kind of scientific study in adrenaline rush decay times for frenetic action games. Basically, the developer needs to ensure that load times and pauses are not longer than the characteristic adrenaline rush decay time, except at key moments that are intended to give the gamer's nerves a break to avoid total burnout and fatigue. In this manner, the pacing of frenetic games can be better tuned and controlled. This would probably be particularly key for frenetic games with relatively long session play times, e.g. greater than 3 hours. Just a thought.
Load issues were patched on PS3, you patch the game and choose install data on main menu and there's no issues.
 

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Wait, he played No More Heroes and NMH2, and is surprised that a Nintendo-console exclusive has swearing in it?
 

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I didn't play the first one and probably won't play this one.
Same. Devil May Cry's action never really felt right to me, and now that they made Devil May Cry: Now Dante's Clothes Fly Off for Big Combos, I'm even less drawn to it.
 

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Wait, he played No More Heroes and NMH2, and is surprised that a Nintendo-console exclusive has swearing in it?
Well, so it is Travis and Bayonetta in Smash.

The hungry hippos were adorable.
 

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Bayonetta being in Smash is fine, we had solid snake after all.
True, but I don't recall Solid Snake acting like a flamboyantly over-the-top diva, compared to how Bayonetta makes almost every other one of her poses look like pole-dancing. I mean, can you imagine if Solid Snake fought with even half the ass-shaking and crotch-shots as Bayonet-

Wait, don't imagine that. If you do, what you will see can never be unseen.
 

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The second is very similar to the first, yeah, but since the original was pretty darn close to perfect it's easy to see why. Almost any change would have made the thing worse, and we don't want that.
 

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The second is very similar to the first, yeah, but since the original was pretty darn close to perfect it's easy to see why. Almost any change would have made the thing worse, and we don't want that.
To be fair, he DID say the story was sort of better than the first Bayonetta, allowing us to focus on the human emotions of the characters somewhat nice and well even amongst all the cartoonish carnage... until that gets tossed out in the third act for the "vaguely religious war" nonsense. But still, at least they tried something new there, if nothing else.
 

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Wait, he played No More Heroes and NMH2, and is surprised that a Nintendo-console exclusive has swearing in it?
It's not about the platform, it's about the character.
 

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Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
Of course, "flock off" still maps to "fuck off". You say it for the same reasons, except you'd also say "flock off" to point out that the thing you're insulting has wings.
 

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android19 said:
The second is very similar to the first, yeah, but since the original was pretty darn close to perfect it's easy to see why. Almost any change would have made the thing worse, and we don't want that.
To be fair, he DID say the story was sort of better than the first Bayonetta, allowing us to focus on the human emotions of the characters somewhat nice and well even amongst all the cartoonish carnage... until that gets tossed out in the third act for the "vaguely religious war" nonsense. But still, at least they tried something new there, if nothing else.
Eh, there's still a fair amount of human emotion going on even when that happens.

Spoilers for the final chapters of the game.

After Bayonetta rescues Jeanne (not her sister. Well, her "umbran sister", but that's an honorific, not a denotation of actually being siblings.), she spends the next few chapters basically connecting with her parents, and seeing who they were and what they meant to each other and to her, before their deaths.

Kind of impressive that they found a way to make her connect with her father after everything that happened in Bayo 1, without it seeming extremely out of place

As for the game feeling the same? I kind of felt it was kind of like the first, but better in a number of little ways. Some combos feel better, some weapons have more differences than they used to, and they excised those damn "hit this button NOW! oops, you died. Take a score cut." QTES. Now they're only in the "mash dat button" style, which are infinitey more forgiving, and occasionally kinda fun. You only fail those if you're completely asleep at the wheel.
 

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I'm glad Yahtzee was able to tell the difference between a sexual character and a sex object. There may still be hope for mankind.

I'm pretty sure he liked Bayonetta 2. ZP is all about nitpicking and being unnecessarily negative, it doesn't matter how good the game is, his reviews wouldn't work if they were entirely positive.
 

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"now you'll have tons of free time on your hands"

Must've been tempting to put a masturbation joke in there.

Anyway I'm not too shocked this is on the Wii U. Nintendo wanted Manhunt 2 on the Wii and stood by it even while the game was fighting off an Ao rating and making 'moral guardians' cry.

I'll be really surprised if they're still trying to get these games on the Wii U in a year or two or if they make a game that's M rated.
 

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Right, well now that Yahtzee solved gender issues in video games ONCE AND FOR ALL, I expect a nice respectful discussion in the comments, and I like what I've read here so far. It feels, I dare say, liberating to have a game that just embraces the ridiculous and goes off the goddamn wall with it. See that , Tomb Raider debs? You CAN have a female lead who likes what she does and is more fun to be around!
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Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
I was going to point that out as well. But I can understand the phrase being misunderstood when you're busy shooting, stabbing, punching, kicking, and sexy posing your way through an army of monsters.

Also, if Nintendo bites the bullet and brings in Bayonetta into Super Smash Bros as a DLC character, its gonna have her more "sensual" poses and attacks toned down. If not, then I'm predicting a lot of young boys and girls are going to be drop-kicked into puberty in record time. ^^;
Like daxterx2005 already said, it wouldn't be the first time an M-rated game lead was in a Smash Bros. game. Remember Solid Snake? He couldn't use his guns, but was allowed to keep his grenades and Stinger Missles.
So, hypothetically, if Bayonetta makes it into SSB's as DLC, does this mean she won't be able to use her guns as well? Granted, she has a large array of weapons to choose from, but her four handguns tend to be her trademark in the series. Would feel rather lacking if she didn't have them. But that's how I see it.
 

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OMG Yatzheee talked about things other then the game mechanics BOY COT HIM!! ETHICS IN JOURNALISIM
When has anyone ever called Yahtzee a journalist?

I know you're joking but if you're trying to mock people it needs to have some basis in reality to be funny (or at least be a clever way of calling someone's mom a whore).
 

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Darth_Payn said:
Right, well now that Yahtzee solved gender issues in video games ONCE AND FOR ALL, I expect a nice respectful discussion in the comments, and I like what I've read here so far. It feels, I dare say, liberating to have a game that just embraces the ridiculous and goes off the goddamn wall with it. See that , Tomb Raider debs? You CAN have a female lead who likes what she does and is more fun to be around!
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OverHaze said:
Hate to be a pedant but she doesn't say fuck off during combos, she says "flock off". As in "flock off feather face!". Which is a reference to the first game, which was a reference to Devil May Cry...
I was going to point that out as well. But I can understand the phrase being misunderstood when you're busy shooting, stabbing, punching, kicking, and sexy posing your way through an army of monsters.

Also, if Nintendo bites the bullet and brings in Bayonetta into Super Smash Bros as a DLC character, its gonna have her more "sensual" poses and attacks toned down. If not, then I'm predicting a lot of young boys and girls are going to be drop-kicked into puberty in record time. ^^;
Like daxterx2005 already said, it wouldn't be the first time an M-rated game lead was in a Smash Bros. game. Remember Solid Snake? He couldn't use his guns, but was allowed to keep his grenades and Stinger Missles.
So, hypothetically, if Bayonetta makes it into SSB's as DLC, does this mean she won't be able to use her guns as well? Granted, she has a large array of weapons to choose from, but her four handguns tend to be her trademark in the series. Would feel rather lacking if she didn't have them. But that's how I see it.
I don't see why she'd have to give up guns. Playstation all stars battle royale (Sony's attempt at a Smash Bros like mascot fighter) had Dante and he used his guns. Didn't give it an M rating or anything
 

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Why on earth would you use eagle shield in Dark Souls that thing is shit m8?!
Well it has pretty good lightning defense and higher stability than most standard shields, making it almost ideal when fighting the Titanite demons.
 

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What I've learned from this video:

The Wii U will have sex with the box cover to Bayonetta 2...The reason why the new Smash Bros. doesn't have Bayonetta as a playable character is because that universe can't handle her clitoris...We all should have an orgy later on because that's how diverse we are?

That last one confuses me a bit, but whatever... Who brought the Nintendo lube this time?
This is actually an excellent bulletpoint of the video. I approve everything on it... Everything.
 

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KazeAizen said:
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
Yes. Yes, I did, and still do. Have you played all the way through it?
Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
Thats weird that everyone mentions the problems that the PS3 version has, because I played through on the PS3 and never noticed an issue. In fact I welcomed the load screens because you could practice your combos in them, it was really helpful sometimes for testing stuff out
 

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I'm glad Yahtzee was able to tell the difference between a sexual character and a sex object. There may still be hope for mankind.

I'm pretty sure he liked Bayonetta 2. ZP is all about nitpicking and being unnecessarily negative, it doesn't matter how good the game is, his reviews wouldn't work if they were entirely positive.
Game journalism is truly dead if Yahtzee falls. Also holy shit i found two others today (yourself and Yahtzee) who can tell the difference between being sexual and being an object! We're like an endangered species!
 

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KazeAizen said:
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KazeAizen said:
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
Yes. Yes, I did, and still do. Have you played all the way through it?
Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
Thats weird that everyone mentions the problems that the PS3 version has, because I played through on the PS3 and never noticed an issue. In fact I welcomed the load screens because you could practice your combos in them, it was really helpful sometimes for testing stuff out
It wasn't the load screens that were the problem. Rather, at least from what I've heard and read, it was every single time you did something there would be a load screen/timer. Change area, load screen, pick up item, load screen. I read it was obnoxious as all get out upon initial release. It is possible that they have patched that particular problem out by now though.
 

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That whole thing where he mentions needing to erect scaffolding to have sex with Bayonetta....not gonna lie, if the opportunity presented itself, I'd be up for that kind of adventure.
 

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Oh Yahtzee what have you done? I hope you know that you are going to get lynched by Neo-femmanazis and their legions of Social Justice Whiners for having a different opinion that they do.
Oh Yahtzee what have you done? I hope you know that you are going to get doxxed and blacklisted by misogynistic mouth breathers and their legions of 'garme jurno ettics' hypocrites for a having a different opinion that they do?
 

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DizzyChuggernaut said:
I'm glad Yahtzee was able to tell the difference between a sexual character and a sex object. There may still be hope for mankind.

I'm pretty sure he liked Bayonetta 2. ZP is all about nitpicking and being unnecessarily negative, it doesn't matter how good the game is, his reviews wouldn't work if they were entirely positive.
Game journalism is truly dead if Yahtzee falls. Also holy shit i found two others today (yourself and Yahtzee) who can tell the difference between being sexual and being an object! We're like an endangered species!
Do I count? I really don't care if a video game character is "objectified" or not. I figure they're fiction which already puts them beneath objects in the grand scheme of importance.

I put objectified in quotes because usually when I hear it, it's just an excuse to bash on male sexuality (calling all their lustful thoughts objectification).
 

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I'm a feminist who quite likes Bayonetta. Which means nothing except that I'm one person with one opinion. Thoroughly enjoyed the first one, at least.

I continue to be more and more tempted to get a Wii U. I will buy a next gen console eventually (trying to decide if I'd rather get a PS4 or a Wii U), though none of them have reached the point where they've got enough games a I need to make it seem worthwhile. I would like to open up the Playstation library for myself in some form (I've never owned any generation of one), but the ability to play my old Wii games on the thing combined with a handful of games that seem genuinely fun and that probably won't port to PC eventually is making me give it more of a look than I expected I would a year ago.
 

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I don't understand why if Yahtzee is going to complain about the game pad in each Wii-U review he does why he doesn't just use the pro controller, it's supported with most games and that way he won't have to bring up a hardware issue each time he reviews a game for the system.
It is a basic assumption while doing reviews that the user has the bare minimum in the way of additional equipment.

EG: on PC you expect a mouse and keyboard set-up, so that is what you use. If it doesn't work, you mention that in the review as a negative.

The upshot of this is that unless the Wii U starts shipping standard with a free pro-controller (Something I think they should at least try to boost sales) the default controller will remain the one used by reviewers.
 

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"...treat the controller like the face of a disobedient spouse..." was the only bit I didn't like. Just a bit beyond the pale for me. The rest was good, though. :v
 

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bobdole1979 said:
OMG Yatzheee talked about things other then the game mechanics BOY COT HIM!! ETHICS IN JOURNALISIM
Yeah and how fun matters and not the size of the womens bust and her well written charakter and boring PMS-Problems.
BOY COT THE MISOOOUGENOUIST!

Because: Why not both?!
you both are wrong, Bayonetta is sexist because she's a woman who is:

1. Strong

2. Independent

3. Dont need no man

because Femism.

Obviously it's just a male power fantasy and any strong independent female character is just internalized misogny-EEEEEEEEECH.


God, nearly had a brain aneurism from just pretending, I dont know how people who actually believe that shit are able to live.
 

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He did, however, hate Joel and Ellie, because they were goddamn sociopaths who would gladly fuck over the entire world just so that they could have their own selfish "happy ending".
Slight correction. Joel was the sociopath. Ellie was pretty much tricked because she trusted him. If you hated Joel by the end, congrats, that was the idea. It was supposed to solidify that Joel was just a broken asshole who would screw over anyone he could to secure his own happiness. You were playing as the villain the whole time. And the villain... WAS MAAAAANNNN!!!

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On topic: Most hilarious review in quite a few months now (other than the forced gamepad ragging... again). Despite how much he panned the character designs and story, I can't help but feel like there was a weird underlying joy in his review and he was only saying the bad stuff to try and be objective, like how Masahiro Sakurai is slowly becoming one of my favorite Game Directors, but I will never let people forget how much of a stubborn asshole he can be.

One of the rare modern episodes that's fun to watch all the way through.

EDIT*
Captcha: It hurts
Oh shut up captcha, a little positivity never hurt anyone.
 

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LaochEire said:
geizr said:
KazeAizen said:
geizr said:
KazeAizen said:
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
Yes. Yes, I did, and still do. Have you played all the way through it?
Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
Ah, that would certainly explain it. I very much remember that when I was in the game and playing, it was quite an adrenaline rush, which was phenomenal. But, then, I'd hit the mission loads that would take forever, and the rush would decay.

There needs to be some kind of scientific study in adrenaline rush decay times for frenetic action games. Basically, the developer needs to ensure that load times and pauses are not longer than the characteristic adrenaline rush decay time, except at key moments that are intended to give the gamer's nerves a break to avoid total burnout and fatigue. In this manner, the pacing of frenetic games can be better tuned and controlled. This would probably be particularly key for frenetic games with relatively long session play times, e.g. greater than 3 hours. Just a thought.
Load issues were patched on PS3, you patch the game and choose install data on main menu and there's no issues.
Well, shit! Thanks! I'll have to load it up tonight and install the update to give it a whirl, cause I really did like the game. However, the mission loads just killed the rush so badly every time.
 

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daxterx2005 said:
Bayonetta being in Smash is fine, we had solid snake after all.
True, but I don't recall Solid Snake acting like a flamboyantly over-the-top diva, compared to how Bayonetta makes almost every other one of her poses look like pole-dancing. I mean, can you imagine if Solid Snake fought with even half the ass-shaking and crotch-shots as Bayonet-

Wait, don't imagine that. If you do, what you will see can never be unseen.
To late...the nightmare is already implanted in my brain D:
 

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bobdole1979 said:
El Comandante said:
bobdole1979 said:
OMG Yatzheee talked about things other then the game mechanics BOY COT HIM!! ETHICS IN JOURNALISIM
Yeah and how fun matters and not the size of the womens bust and her well written charakter and boring PMS-Problems.
BOY COT THE MISOOOUGENOUIST!

Because: Why not both?!
... you missed the point. btw who is boycotting misogynists?
You aren't fun, you are off the mark, and your strawman argument is the worst of this generation. Sorry old yeller, but I have to.
 

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geizr said:
LaochEire said:
geizr said:
KazeAizen said:
geizr said:
KazeAizen said:
Did you have the PS3 version of the game?
Yes. Yes, I did, and still do. Have you played all the way through it?
Yes. Here's the thing. The PS3 version was the "bad" version of the game to get for exactly the reasons you listed. Loading times for every single freaking thing you do. I had heard they managed to fix it at some point but I'm not sure. The 360 version did not have this problem. It was one of those few multi platform titles where one version was clearly better than the other one and sadly it looks like you drew the short stick. :(
Ah, that would certainly explain it. I very much remember that when I was in the game and playing, it was quite an adrenaline rush, which was phenomenal. But, then, I'd hit the mission loads that would take forever, and the rush would decay.

There needs to be some kind of scientific study in adrenaline rush decay times for frenetic action games. Basically, the developer needs to ensure that load times and pauses are not longer than the characteristic adrenaline rush decay time, except at key moments that are intended to give the gamer's nerves a break to avoid total burnout and fatigue. In this manner, the pacing of frenetic games can be better tuned and controlled. This would probably be particularly key for frenetic games with relatively long session play times, e.g. greater than 3 hours. Just a thought.
Load issues were patched on PS3, you patch the game and choose install data on main menu and there's no issues.
Well, shit! Thanks! I'll have to load it up tonight and install the update to give it a whirl, cause I really did like the game. However, the mission loads just killed the rush so badly every time.
Just make sure you also install the game data from the main menu too ;)
 

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As it happens, the swearing issue was what finally made me give up on Thief (reboot/reimagining/whatever). As soon as new, american Garret met the "shady" merchant and they started F-ing this and F- that, I was done. It was so out of place and destroyed any immersion and good will I'd afforded it from the original trilogy. Boring taffing game and all the characters in it are taffers.
Yeah, the thing is, to have an extremely swear filled game, you need to paint an atmosphere to suit that. I never once cared about The Witcher 2's never ending stream of fuck (and fucking) because the game painted an atmosphere where that wasn't out of place: Of almost comic levels of 'gritty'.

In Thief, its just...unnecessary. Trying to paint a character as sly and competent then having in suddenly never stop swearing is just illogical.
 

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MaddKossack115 said:
daxterx2005 said:
Bayonetta being in Smash is fine, we had solid snake after all.
True, but I don't recall Solid Snake acting like a flamboyantly over-the-top diva, compared to how Bayonetta makes almost every other one of her poses look like pole-dancing.
That's just how she rolls; Snake is a protagonist who is himself a case of gritty squared, a man's man among men. Bayonetta on the other hand is a witch with pistols attached to her high heels. Just let that sink in for a minute.
 

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Gordon_4 said:
MaddKossack115 said:
daxterx2005 said:
Bayonetta being in Smash is fine, we had solid snake after all.
True, but I don't recall Solid Snake acting like a flamboyantly over-the-top diva, compared to how Bayonetta makes almost every other one of her poses look like pole-dancing.
That's just how she rolls; Snake is a protagonist who is himself a case of gritty squared, a man's man among men. Bayonetta on the other hand is a witch with pistols attached to her high heels. Just let that sink in for a minute.
What I MEANT to say was that Bayonetta wouldn't get in (at least, in her current form) based on how much of she's a walking, talking, personified spewer of innuendos. Snake's problem was about killing people, or getting into dark discussions of modern warfare, all of which could be ignored during his Super Smash brawls. Compared to Bayonetta, who summons BDSM torture devices, makes double-entendres with every other line, and basically strips naked every time she pulls off a Wicked Weave for a supermove... well, that'd be a LOT of things Nintendo would have to tone down to make her even close to the T rating, let alone the E to E-10 ratings of the Smash Bros franchise.
 

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It's been so long since I've seen a ZP vid, and it made watching this all the more savory.
 

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Well, Bayonetta's got short hair now. Of-course her outfit is supposed to be woven FROM her hair; And now we know it wasn't woven from the hair on her head, ewwww!
♫Have you heard the tail of Bayonetta's bush?♪
♪And the night that it saved us from Demons.♫
♫Nobody knew the power it had;
they just thought it was sexy and weird♪
♪Bayonetta lived a life of thrill and excitement;
Everyone feared her great giant bush!♫
♫But then when Demons were filling the sky;
She unfurled her bush and she used it to fly!♪
♪Bayonetta's bush, Bayonetta's bush;
Gargantuan thicket of Madneeeess♫
♫Bigger than Hell and denser than gold;
Truly a magical bush to behold!♪
^^
 

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"It's like having Priscilla Queen of the Desert open up a PTA meeting." Thank you Yahtzee for nearly ruining my monitor as I had to choose between choking on a drink or spitting it all over my monitor. Thankfully, the choking was brief. :)
 

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MaddKossack115 said:
Gordon_4 said:
MaddKossack115 said:
daxterx2005 said:
Bayonetta being in Smash is fine, we had solid snake after all.
True, but I don't recall Solid Snake acting like a flamboyantly over-the-top diva, compared to how Bayonetta makes almost every other one of her poses look like pole-dancing.
That's just how she rolls; Snake is a protagonist who is himself a case of gritty squared, a man's man among men. Bayonetta on the other hand is a witch with pistols attached to her high heels. Just let that sink in for a minute.
What I MEANT to say was that Bayonetta wouldn't get in (at least, in her current form) based on how much of she's a walking, talking, personified spewer of innuendos. Snake's problem was about killing people, or getting into dark discussions of modern warfare, all of which could be ignored during his Super Smash brawls. Compared to Bayonetta, who summons BDSM torture devices, makes double-entendres with every other line, and basically strips naked every time she pulls off a Wicked Weave for a supermove... well, that'd be a LOT of things Nintendo would have to tone down to make her even close to the T rating, let alone the E to E-10 ratings of the Smash Bros franchise.
In order?

1: Rarely is it BDSM torture devices. The torture Attacks are usually just, you know, torture devices, or execution devices. Iron maidens and guillotines and the like. I recall one Torture Attack that was out-and-out sexual in nature; the one used on Joys.

2: Few people talk in Smash anyway, so they could pick a few lines which aren't her most overt, if they so cose.

3: They could just have wicked weaves without the stripping. I mean, that's how the Bayo games handle her alternate costumes to begin with.

No, the real barrier, the biggest one, is that she's 3rd-party, and Sakurai tends to be quite picky, Snake aside.
 

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I am so pleased to see that anti gg/radical feminism isn't having any effect on your hilarious reviews, sir. I'll take your politically incorrect, highly critical reviews over these stupid reviews by non gamers with a degree in gender studies any day. Keep doing what you do. You are awesome.
 

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I really liked the "Not that One" bit at the beginning about female protagonists.
I do think there should be more female protagonists. However I can't help but notice how much women in games are outright hated and reviled by the very people calling for more. Someone calling Bayonetta a fighting f**k toy is not making me think they are a feminist so much as they have a issue with sex.
 

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I'm not really getting the complaint about the cities being to much alike. Vigrid from the first game looked absolutely nothing like Venice and you don't really spend a lot of time in either of them.

In the first game you quickly leave Vigrid for the outskirts and in the second you never return to not Venice after the first run in with the masked man.
 

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Hades said:
I'm not really getting the complaint about the cities being to much alike. Vigrid from the first game looked absolutely nothing like Venice and you don't really spend a lot of time in either of them.

In the first game you quickly leave Vigrid for the outskirts and in the second you never return to not Venice after the first run in with the masked man.
To be a pedant, it's named Noatun.
 

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"Disco danced a giant purple frog into existence..."

Can that actually happen? I might need to play this game.
 

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I don't have a Wii U so I guess I'll have to settle for going back to watching all those Adam West Batman episodes that feature Julie Newmar's delicious backside hogging the camera, which is what screwed me up as a kid in the first place. Her and Emma Peel. And Laura Petrie in those Capri slacks.
 

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Well she's in Smash Bros now (with fairly minimal censorship), so that makes this rather funny to watch for multiple reasons.