Zero Punctuation: Dead Space 3
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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The random "Daisy the cow gave me creutzfeldt jacob disease" when making fun of farmville had me laughing nearly breathlessly for a good 10 minutes. Well done Yahtzee, well done.
No, it's just nice to see other people sharing my point of view. I didn't say anything about thinking the game was objectively bad, other people were wrong or that everybody should all have my opinion, so I've no idea why you decided to react in such an unprovoked, passive aggressive manner.trty00 said:
People get butthurt over the smallest of things.
Eh... part of the reason the games got progressively less scary couldn't be helped. The necromorphs are getting old. They were always grunting and groaning, and they always came on screen with classical music blaring in the background. I wasn't afraid of them anymore by the end of the first game, honestly. The second game managed to add a few new scares by ratcheting up the necromorph action to eleven, but now there's just nowhere else to go. It's just
BLASRGHGARAGH!!! *DUN DUN DUNNNN*
*stasis*
*leg shot arm shot*
*rinse* *repeat*
....Which is exactly how it got to be by the end of the first game, too.
BLASRGHGARAGH!!! *DUN DUN DUNNNN*
*stasis*
*leg shot arm shot*
*rinse* *repeat*
....Which is exactly how it got to be by the end of the first game, too.
... Miller?titankore said:
Anywho...
I dunno. I didn't really love or hate DS3. Granted, I got it for free thanks to a gift card I got for Christmas to Best Buy which never really stocks anything I actually want so I had to spend it on something. I probably would have been more upset with its overall quality if I'd actually put hard-earned cash toward it, though I don't think I'd be crucifying it like some people seem to want.
It's definitely much more action-oriented than the other two main games and lacking in a lot of the horror elements, but I dunno... the series as a whole has never struck me as particularly horrifying. It was mostly an action series from the get-go with the occasional bit of disturbing imagery. I feel like the environments and sound design were both for the most part quite strong, though. The cash shop stuff is 100% completely, and very easily, avoidable even when playing on the hardest difficulties. And the bits where you fight other humans are usually pretty short and uncommon within the scope of the game.
At the end of the day, I don't think I can call it a bad game. I certainly wouldn't put it on one of my "top games" lists here on the forums... it's not even my favorite within the series. But I don't think it really did anything exceedingly terrible either to deserve as much hate as it's seemingly getting (especially when a certain other recent action/horror/FPS deserves it sooo much more). To be clear, I love survival/horror games... and I'm not upset with the action-focus of the Dead Space series since, frankly, it was never survival/horror. The majority of the people I see really accusing it of being a survival/horror game gone wrong are hardcore survival/horror fans who just can't seem to accept that the heyday of their favorite genre has come and gone, and now it's mostly just a niche genre or a modifier attached to other genres to make them slightly more interesting or different (like in the case of this series).
Never played a Dead Space game in my life, and probably won't, but Yahtzee's summary of the micro-transactions philosophy was spot on. You can certainly buy things from this game, if you want to, yet your reasons for doing it should be questioned and your wallet, yes, taken away from you.
And I've done it with EA before too, so I've learned my lesson. Playing hours upon hours of ME3 MP, and getting very little from the stupid micro-transactions that they offer you, has put a sour taste in my mouth. Not worth it and I'm pretty sure anyone can figure it out pretty quickly.
And I've done it with EA before too, so I've learned my lesson. Playing hours upon hours of ME3 MP, and getting very little from the stupid micro-transactions that they offer you, has put a sour taste in my mouth. Not worth it and I'm pretty sure anyone can figure it out pretty quickly.
This review is yet another example of Yahtzee bringing in all his preconceptions about what he expects a game to be like, in this case a horror game, rather than what the game actually is, which I think its fair to say is an action game with horror elements (though to what degree these 'horror elements' go is more up for debate).
On further reflection, it's that sort of approach to reviewing of Yahtzee's, which ends up being as much a 'review' of the game as a critique on the wider video game industry and specific game publishers/studios a lot of the time, that actually grates with me. I'd prefer it if these aforementioned elements remained in Yahtzee's weekly columns though I suppose Yahtzee clearly has his own style and he's going to do it his own way, and he may have good valid reasons for including said elements.
I suppose though that's not what I have real issue with here; my main problem is his apparent lack of a fair and unbiased opinion (as much as reasonably possible) on a game as a single product in itself. I won't deny, I'm genuinely interested in hearing what Yahztee's opinions are on a game that I have some interest in, as many of his criticisms and praises (though the latter are fewer and far between) are often valid and highly salient, but at the same time, many of his points are sadly lacking in at least some form of objectivity. I'm not saying go all out in the objectivity as it is the subjective opinions of a particular reviewer which is the reason many read/watch certain reviews in the first place, but nonetheless, this subjective opinion should be based on some form of objective framework, and Yahtzee, as I said, seems to me to rely on preconceived notions (quite outside of his own tastes and preferences which are fine to include), which really doesn't give the game a chance to stand on its own feet but rather judge it as based on what he expects from it.
He's still entertaining, and he still makes many very good valid points, but I tire of his essentially groaning and moaning when a game doesn't match what he personally envisioned for it or wanted out of it more. There's a place for that sort of critique but I don't believe it belongs in even-handed reviews; I just want to know what you thought of the game in itself, not what personal wishes you expected the game to fulfil. So what if you wanted it to be more horror orientated and less of a typical action game? I don't care about that in a review; if its an action game just tell me what's it like as an action game and a game full stop in your opinion and I can use that informed analysis to help me either decide whether it's a game that might possibly suit me or whether your criticisms and positive points correlate with my own (if I've played it already) or are ones I hadn't made myself and thus provide a different perspective.
That's how I'd review games anyway.......
On further reflection, it's that sort of approach to reviewing of Yahtzee's, which ends up being as much a 'review' of the game as a critique on the wider video game industry and specific game publishers/studios a lot of the time, that actually grates with me. I'd prefer it if these aforementioned elements remained in Yahtzee's weekly columns though I suppose Yahtzee clearly has his own style and he's going to do it his own way, and he may have good valid reasons for including said elements.
I suppose though that's not what I have real issue with here; my main problem is his apparent lack of a fair and unbiased opinion (as much as reasonably possible) on a game as a single product in itself. I won't deny, I'm genuinely interested in hearing what Yahztee's opinions are on a game that I have some interest in, as many of his criticisms and praises (though the latter are fewer and far between) are often valid and highly salient, but at the same time, many of his points are sadly lacking in at least some form of objectivity. I'm not saying go all out in the objectivity as it is the subjective opinions of a particular reviewer which is the reason many read/watch certain reviews in the first place, but nonetheless, this subjective opinion should be based on some form of objective framework, and Yahtzee, as I said, seems to me to rely on preconceived notions (quite outside of his own tastes and preferences which are fine to include), which really doesn't give the game a chance to stand on its own feet but rather judge it as based on what he expects from it.
He's still entertaining, and he still makes many very good valid points, but I tire of his essentially groaning and moaning when a game doesn't match what he personally envisioned for it or wanted out of it more. There's a place for that sort of critique but I don't believe it belongs in even-handed reviews; I just want to know what you thought of the game in itself, not what personal wishes you expected the game to fulfil. So what if you wanted it to be more horror orientated and less of a typical action game? I don't care about that in a review; if its an action game just tell me what's it like as an action game and a game full stop in your opinion and I can use that informed analysis to help me either decide whether it's a game that might possibly suit me or whether your criticisms and positive points correlate with my own (if I've played it already) or are ones I hadn't made myself and thus provide a different perspective.
That's how I'd review games anyway.......
I for one never really considerd Deadspace a horror series its action with horror elements but ive always liked it but im starting to get annoyed with Ea's "every game must have multiplayer" Come on EA you're not idiots beef up the SP a bit
He hated the other two that people like you love to point as the paragon of why this game sucks too. I fail to see how this works in your favor in any way. I'd argue he hated the first two even more in his critiques.Evil Top Hat said:
Oh look!, Yahtzee doesn't like Dead Space 3 what a shock. I personally thought it was pretty bad ass and definitely gave me what I was looking forward to for a third game in the franchise. The opening levels where you get to explore the Roanoke area was awesome and definitely the closest I felt a game has come to really making you feel like an astronaut.
Ha! Speaking of digging up old ideas, thanks for pre-recording your review of Dead Space 3 from July 2012. I imagine you had to scramble to remove the "Gears of Dead Space" comparison when you realized the game doesn't force you behind chest-high walls for more than 1/25th of the entire game (and even then you aren't glued to the wall), but that freed up some space to get in that dead-horse-beating bit about brain slugs and EA. On the subject of parasites you might want to start dashing your head with salt or getting your hands on some specialty shampoo because a lot of the comments on this thread reek of the anti-fan, those people who have decided to hate something and just won't shut up about how much they hate it. And lay down some traps because if this keeps up you'll be hanging from a giant exclamation point as they martyr you into their own little cult.
That said I look forward to your Aliens: Colonial Marines review, a game which I have never played but will take smug proxy-sadistic glee as you rip into it, validating my uninformed disgust.
That said I look forward to your Aliens: Colonial Marines review, a game which I have never played but will take smug proxy-sadistic glee as you rip into it, validating my uninformed disgust.
It looks to me that the makers of Dead Space 3 learned all the wrong things from Resident Evil 5, what with co-op just NOT BEING SCARY IN A SURVIVAL-HORROR GAME! I remember Yahtzee's E3 special last year, when he 1st thought this was another Lost Planet sequel.
And that is pretty much it, people want the game to be something it never was, it was never intended to be a hardcore survival horror game. It was first and foremost a scifi action/horror game and DS3 is as true to its intent as it can possibly be. If this game wasn't an EA game we wouldn't even be having these discussions tbut since it has their label on it, its automatically a "betrayal" to the genre or a sh** game with no soul. Its amazing how many hate band wagon jumpers there are in these forums who can't think for themselves and yet without having played the games at all, damn it to death without even giving it a chance...pretty sad.Tuesday Night Fever said:
... he hated the other two, and they are the paragon of why this one sucks? I'm confused. That's like saying the Return of the King sucks because the Fellowship of the Ring was shit. I don't understand what you mean. Personally, I thought the first two were okay, with the original being the best.Frostbite3789 said:
I also like how you throw around terms like "people like you", immediately making assumptions of my character based on a single dislike of a single game. If I were to do the same, I could look at your comment and see a random guy posting aggressive responses because I have a different opinion to him, and conclude that you're the kind of tosser that tries to start arguments in youtube comment sections. I imagine that's not the kind of person you are though, so if it's unjust of me to make assumptions about you, why is it fair of you to do the same to me?
If I enjoy seeing that I'm not alone in my opinion on a game, then it doesn't matter if it "works in my favour", I just like knowing that my feelings are shared by somebody else. I don't need my opinions justified by some random guy on the internet.
No, but it is a shooter that will let you make a gun that shootsfranksands said:
That's nothing, at one point I had something like 2000 magazines in my bank, on top of around 90 medium medpacks. Coming out of the previous games it's really hard not to be an obsessive hoarder, but, there isn't much reason to be.OuendanCyrus said:
I suppose I should go back in and try it on classic mode, though.
