This is my Game of the Year, hands down. Nothing else compares for fun and replay value.
Having poured 100+ hours into, its still fun.
Having poured 100+ hours into, its still fun.
Zero Punctuation: Demon's Souls
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Where are you located btw?Tonimata said:
Yeah, i hate getting games late, I actually buy all my games off Play-Asia now, Games are $110 new here in Australia (convert from US$ is about 90 cents to an AUD$) so you can see why we are getting raughted
USA pays $60 for a new game and we pay $100 USD for the same game, but we usually have to wait a couple of weeks before we get it. So Higher price longer waiting period AUSSIE RETAILERS CAN GET STUFFED.
Completely true.Onmi said:
Demon's Souls is a game that rewards playing carefully and thinking ahead. On the other end of the spectrum, if you rush ahead like a fool, you will die. And with good reason, as you simply fucked up.
Nobody's fault but your own.
And you know what? When all is said and done, you will feel as though you actually learned something from the ordeal. And you'll have an incredibly powerful character to show for it.
Yhatzee isn't in the job of reviewing games or even playing them, it seems like all he's doing is being negative and playing up for laughs.
It seems like the only games that Yahtzee enjoys are semi-casual action-adventure types with solid stories, which is fine and everything ... but just because a game doesn't fall into that very small catagory, does that mean it's absolute pants and doesn't deserve to be played past the first level? This video has done a disservice to original games, hard-core games, and good games in general.
And I hate to say this seeing as how I have been following Yahtzee, later ZP, since 5 Days a Stranger. Maybe it's just because he's ill, but seriously ... get your act together Yahtzee!
It seems like the only games that Yahtzee enjoys are semi-casual action-adventure types with solid stories, which is fine and everything ... but just because a game doesn't fall into that very small catagory, does that mean it's absolute pants and doesn't deserve to be played past the first level? This video has done a disservice to original games, hard-core games, and good games in general.
And I hate to say this seeing as how I have been following Yahtzee, later ZP, since 5 Days a Stranger. Maybe it's just because he's ill, but seriously ... get your act together Yahtzee!
Hmm...while "hard" isn't always what I go for, I do enjoy a good hack and slash. I might have to try and pick this up whenever I'm rich.
Also, Zondervan, I think that being negative and playing it up for laughs is what Yahtzee has always been about. He's no gaming Ebert or Siskel or whichever one of them didn't die. He's basically just a regular gamer passing on his thoughts with a sarcastic and angry twist.
Also, Zondervan, I think that being negative and playing it up for laughs is what Yahtzee has always been about. He's no gaming Ebert or Siskel or whichever one of them didn't die. He's basically just a regular gamer passing on his thoughts with a sarcastic and angry twist.
I don't consider myself good at games. On any online FPS my KD ratio is always less than 1. I can only play the easiest songs in GH on expert and I still haven't beaten the first Assassin's Creed. But I managed to beat Demon's Souls because I think before I act and learn from my mistakes. It's not as hard a gaem as everyone says it is.xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Haha,Yahtzee you noob, stop playing hard games, you only lose and whine and get pissed off.
Hah, well, now that i think about it that's what makes these vids so fucking funny. Nevermind me, continue with your noob exploration of gaming!
I still think you should give eve another try tho, love that vid...
Hah, well, now that i think about it that's what makes these vids so fucking funny. Nevermind me, continue with your noob exploration of gaming!
I still think you should give eve another try tho, love that vid...
hmm... that game looks hard.. but i guess as most japanese games go... they are created to screw with you.. get you stressed to a point where you cant concentrate and end up saying "fuck you" at your tv screen.
Im on my 12th playthrough of this game, Ive gotten the platinum trophy, and Im well on my way to having maximum levels.
I absolutely love this game. Im tired of playing games that are too easy. This offers a true challenge, and anyone who doesnt like it isnt a gamer. Yahtzee just sucks at video games, I guess.
I absolutely love this game. Im tired of playing games that are too easy. This offers a true challenge, and anyone who doesnt like it isnt a gamer. Yahtzee just sucks at video games, I guess.
uhg and they didn't bring over shadow tower abyss for this(well not really i'd just rather play that one and kings field X)?
I really hate trial & error games, that not what I would call challenge, you didn't survive because you were careful or otherwise smart, you survive because you have an inability to stay dead, and remember everything before your death. A simple computer program can solve such problems, simply retry until something works, and then build on that.
There's a difference between looking at a problem and getting a general idea of what you need to do, and then not knowing two shits about what you're supposed to do, and dying being the only way to find out.
I'm sure demon's Soul's is a nice game, but it's the wrong kind of challenge, and not what I'm looking for.
There's a difference between looking at a problem and getting a general idea of what you need to do, and then not knowing two shits about what you're supposed to do, and dying being the only way to find out.
I'm sure demon's Soul's is a nice game, but it's the wrong kind of challenge, and not what I'm looking for.
I have to admit, I adore this game. It is unrelenting in it's difficulty but it works so well, the controls, visuals, music, everything is great.
Dodging actually does work perfectly, but if you dodge to the right when an enemy is attacking from left to right the end of the attack will get you.
The review is one of the funniest he's made in a long time. I laughed so much because while he was being unfair to the game (which he does and I love him for it) and making things sound worse than they are, all the things he said were based on some truth.
I actually offered in email to buy Yahtzee this game. But alas, never got a reply.
Demons Souls is a difficult game and one I love for that. All the people I know who say it's too hard and stupid are the ones I know to avoid when playing video games because they are the idiots who don't know how to play tactically. They run ahead swinging their sword mindlessly like a man swinging his penis in a free brothel.
I'll pick Demons Souls over any of your God of War's, Devil May Cry's, etc because while I do play those games, I relish some difficult tactical fighting and Demons Souls is the closest gaming has got to actual melee weapon combat.
Dodging actually does work perfectly, but if you dodge to the right when an enemy is attacking from left to right the end of the attack will get you.
The review is one of the funniest he's made in a long time. I laughed so much because while he was being unfair to the game (which he does and I love him for it) and making things sound worse than they are, all the things he said were based on some truth.
I actually offered in email to buy Yahtzee this game. But alas, never got a reply.
Demons Souls is a difficult game and one I love for that. All the people I know who say it's too hard and stupid are the ones I know to avoid when playing video games because they are the idiots who don't know how to play tactically. They run ahead swinging their sword mindlessly like a man swinging his penis in a free brothel.
I'll pick Demons Souls over any of your God of War's, Devil May Cry's, etc because while I do play those games, I relish some difficult tactical fighting and Demons Souls is the closest gaming has got to actual melee weapon combat.
The reason i loved Demon's Souls so much, is because it leaves you afraid
Seeing a Dual Katana Wieleding Black skeleton should make you think "hm, that doesnt seem nice, maybe i should not go there" not "anotherone? ohwell, oneshoottt"
Because you lose all your souls, the constant tension in this game is just amazing, you dont know what's around the corner, you don't know what the boss is like, and you definitely don't know what could possibly happen
The review was awesome though, only thing i was disapointed about was the fact that you made it to the elite guards and not the boss in 1-2, i was realy looking forward to when you met him, but you gave up before which i found a little sad.
Anyway, for those wanting to try it after First level, dont take the second level, go back to teh nexus and try another level, you can take 1-2 later when you got some skills
Another fun part about this game i s newgame +1, where you have all your items, you start the game again and its about twice as hard.
When you meet Yurt, killl him!
edit: Demons Souls isn't just hard because of trial and error, enemies are hard, theres quite alot of them, if you don't dodge / block right, even the most basic enemy can kill you.
I'm usually not for Trial and Error, but in this game it just works, you dont know whats ahead, and its scary, you meet an NPC, you dont know if hes evil or not, you go into a level and you think "holy shit, this is NOT GOOD"
Its amazing
Seeing a Dual Katana Wieleding Black skeleton should make you think "hm, that doesnt seem nice, maybe i should not go there" not "anotherone? ohwell, oneshoottt"
Because you lose all your souls, the constant tension in this game is just amazing, you dont know what's around the corner, you don't know what the boss is like, and you definitely don't know what could possibly happen
The review was awesome though, only thing i was disapointed about was the fact that you made it to the elite guards and not the boss in 1-2, i was realy looking forward to when you met him, but you gave up before which i found a little sad.
Anyway, for those wanting to try it after First level, dont take the second level, go back to teh nexus and try another level, you can take 1-2 later when you got some skills
Another fun part about this game i s newgame +1, where you have all your items, you start the game again and its about twice as hard.
When you meet Yurt, killl him!
edit: Demons Souls isn't just hard because of trial and error, enemies are hard, theres quite alot of them, if you don't dodge / block right, even the most basic enemy can kill you.
I'm usually not for Trial and Error, but in this game it just works, you dont know whats ahead, and its scary, you meet an NPC, you dont know if hes evil or not, you go into a level and you think "holy shit, this is NOT GOOD"
Its amazing
To be honest this game seriously does interest me. Because of the challenge alone. Shame it's on the PS3. Although I have considered buying one, we'll see.Onmi said:
Although I can understand some people just don't want to play, for lack of a better word, hardcore games. So high difficulty might put them off. Which is fair enough. But if you do buy the game, play it, get slaughtered then proceed to do the same thing over and over without learning then yes I agree you'd be a stubborn moron.
Except it's NOT a simple trial and error kinda game. It's a "be careful" kinda game. Every one of his deaths were HIS fault. They were all pretty easily avoidable (well, the last one is hard to avoid, but still avoidable. Just takes practice). It just takes care.DayDark said:
The warning about fire against the first boss? honestly worthless and is written BEFORE the boss fight. He waited until the fight to open the inventory and died.
The Dragon? It's the SECOND part of the game with it, and he passed the first without dying. There's warnings on the ground (hell, I put one there) and you hear the beating of wings...
Wolves? Fight better.
Army of knights at the end of a mad dash to safety? first, look where you're running, second, fight better.
All avoidable. Takes care, and skill. As does the whole game.
Edit: Btw, on the dodging side, he is half right. You run and dodge slower if your current equip weight is higher than half you maximum equip weight. Most classes start with full body armor, a shield, and two weapons equipped, meaning most classes have their dodge roll slowed down by weight.
Note that I went through the whole first two stages before realizing this, so the slowed down dodge isn't THAT bad, but it is MUCH easier if you're lighter. Armor is nigh worthless in this game.
I sure wish the game made that clearer though, but I think it's on the instruction manual...