Zero Punctuation: Dragon Age II
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I'm surprised Yahtzee didn't go over all the gay buzz the game has been getting and just had a gay romance himself. That actually clears up a lot about the man in the hat.
Ehh...
This one's not your best, seems like one of those videos you do just because the game is popular and people want to hear about it, weather or not you have much to say about it. You're more funny and insightful when you just indulge yourself.
Of course, I'm sure this is more entertaining if you agree with what's being said, so in that regard, I'm biased
This one's not your best, seems like one of those videos you do just because the game is popular and people want to hear about it, weather or not you have much to say about it. You're more funny and insightful when you just indulge yourself.
Of course, I'm sure this is more entertaining if you agree with what's being said, so in that regard, I'm biased
Somewhere in between. I'm playing it on PC, so I can't speak on the loading times (which have been great for me), but "storyless" is completely off base. The story drives every mission in the game, but you're basically playing through episodes of this guy's life, not a quest to kill a big, bad demon. It's really about seeing how companion stories play out and choosing how to shape your character within all the different events.De Ronneman said:
As a result, it loses some of the "epic" quality, but it's still a fun game and a welcome chance to experience more of the Dragon Age lore. The conflict between mages and the chantry is really at the forefront here.
ah yes the first thing i notice was how hot hawkes 40-50yo mum was too XD
All the "old" women have wrinkly faces with 20 yo bodies, its so confusing
i laughed quite a bit about the adventurers waiting about gobbing off eachother XD
All the "old" women have wrinkly faces with 20 yo bodies, its so confusing
i laughed quite a bit about the adventurers waiting about gobbing off eachother XD
I have to wonder if any of the " I like DA2s story cuz its personal, and doesn't involve saving the world!" people ever played Planescape Torment.
There was a game that told an epic story about one man's past, present and future all wrapped up in one of the greatest worlds ever seen in a CRPG. Compare the Nameless one's journey of self understanding to the hollow "I want monies!" motivations of Hawke's adventure and tell me which is more compelling. If you still think the answer is DA2, I am truly sorry for you, you don't have any concept of good narrative .
The *potential* in Dragon age 2's story is there. You can feel it, lurking somewhere underneath the layers of fetch quests, abrupt cut-scenes, disjointed time-jumps, and heavy handed stabs at tackling "controversial" subject matter. But the execution is way, way, *way* off. Given enough time and resources, perhaps Bioware could have pulled off a sprawling epic that told the journey of Hawke's life from the very beginning - Walking you through his life in Lothering, investing you in the characters and then ripping it all away with the darkspawn attack. But they didn't and I can only judge what I played : A tacky action RPG with some lite role playing and a forgettable story.
There was a game that told an epic story about one man's past, present and future all wrapped up in one of the greatest worlds ever seen in a CRPG. Compare the Nameless one's journey of self understanding to the hollow "I want monies!" motivations of Hawke's adventure and tell me which is more compelling. If you still think the answer is DA2, I am truly sorry for you, you don't have any concept of good narrative .
The *potential* in Dragon age 2's story is there. You can feel it, lurking somewhere underneath the layers of fetch quests, abrupt cut-scenes, disjointed time-jumps, and heavy handed stabs at tackling "controversial" subject matter. But the execution is way, way, *way* off. Given enough time and resources, perhaps Bioware could have pulled off a sprawling epic that told the journey of Hawke's life from the very beginning - Walking you through his life in Lothering, investing you in the characters and then ripping it all away with the darkspawn attack. But they didn't and I can only judge what I played : A tacky action RPG with some lite role playing and a forgettable story.
I hope we can all realize the arguments trying to justify the lack of a "hero's journey" are completely reactionary, however reasonable they may be. How many people praised this "feature" in other threads about the game? It's a butthurt fanboy response, I can't take it seriously.
The plot structure would make a good story for a sandbox game, but it doesn't really hurt the game or story overall. Yhatzee said it himself, the reason people keep playing games is just to see more of them, and the game never bored me.Levethian said:Isn't the lack of an over-arching story better suited to a sandbox-style game? If the narrative is disconnected, what reason does the game have for being linear?Thespian said:
I keep trying to play Dragon Age 2 and keep getting repelled. I haven't determined why.
I'm not a betrayed fan, but it's sad to see another genre homogenised for the masses. Sorry for thinking so. I'm probably too old...
Agree with the vid, though perhaps it's a bit safe
I assume the site is so slow just now because the world is flooding to see Yahtzee's video..
It's also worth pointing out that the problem isn't BEING linear, it's FEELING linear. Technically speaking, the story is actually less linear then, say, GTA IV, but GTA IV has a lot more shit to do whenever you get burned out on the main story. It makes more sense when the game jumps from one event to another so quickly, because you actually see all the stuff you were doing in while the story was time skipping, thus the game's narrative feels less disjointed
Yeah the setting didn't bother me that much. I thought it was kind of interesting to have a plot that was more character based then event driven. The game was defineately rushed in certain areas of design, but I think that how you determine the setting depends upon the amount of enjoyment you can get from seeing an envirnement your chracter lives in change as years go by and conflicts arise.
I would like to know which game you played, because the plot is nearly nonexistent. Half of the time you will find yourself wandering around, doing quests for no reason other than they are the closest thing to you. It really plays out like a MMO in this way, where the story is an after thought to the grinding out quests.rsvp42 said:
******Now, for SPOILERS!!!!*****
The entire first Act of the game you are doing completely unrelated errands and busy work so you can get some gold to go on an expedition for some reason. After that, you get to Act 2 and it picks up with the Qunari sieging Kirkwall and this is the only actually interesting and coherent part of the story. Cue Act 3 and you are the champion, I guess, and also the Viscount? Cool, even though that literally has no effect on anything and means nothing in the context of the game world. Act 3 basically just features everyone going batshit insane and killing each other and I guess you are supposed to pick a side but it doesn't really matter because the same thing happens every. single. time.
So, to recap, the one interesting party in the game (Qunari) you cannot ally with and the two you can results in the same thing because yay story homogenization! Also, Hawke runs off never to be seen again. Very original by BioWare.
***** SPOILERS ******
You know, he never says it has to be about saving the world, he wonders where the actual plot is. That is, it just seemed to be a series of events that didn't really have any tension or conflict. Sure, you can have a game about that, but it feels pretty hollow. If you're reading a story about someone going to save a princess, and all he does is kill monsters and rescue the princess in a straightforward, linear process, you might wonder why you even bothered. He seemed to feel that there just wasn't much at stake until the very ending, that it was pedestrian and simplistic.
I was turned off to this game when I couldn't play the character I played in the first one, then again when I found out how they were changing the interface and the gameplay. The more I learned, the less I liked about it, and so I'm glad to hear that waiting until this ends up 75% off on Steam is a good call.
I was turned off to this game when I couldn't play the character I played in the first one, then again when I found out how they were changing the interface and the gameplay. The more I learned, the less I liked about it, and so I'm glad to hear that waiting until this ends up 75% off on Steam is a good call.
Either you played a different game than I did, or you were really cynical with this one.
I never quite got why everyone wants RPG's to be nothing more than generic go save the world games.
Oh, you completely lied about the camera, you have complete control over it, and the can't use tactics bits. Shameful.
I never quite got why everyone wants RPG's to be nothing more than generic go save the world games.
Oh, you completely lied about the camera, you have complete control over it, and the can't use tactics bits. Shameful.